Bard 8 / Sorcerer 12 - Need Ideas

[jellyfish21]

Please share with me your ideas to make this build work.
Thanks.

[Bacab]

Please share with me your ideas to make this build work.
Thanks.

No real way for this to work.

Sorry. What are you trying to accomplish? Let us know and maybe we could help steer you in the right direction.

[wax_on_wax_off]

Level as a pure sorcerer, get some accomplishments, LR into the level split that you like, retire the character.

Nope, no way to make this work.

[Ytteri]

Well how loose is your definition of "work" exactly? Virtuoso/Earth Savant would probably be the least terrible combination. Enthrall enemies, let them tick down with acid DOTs.

[azmodeus1]

Please share with me your ideas to make this build work.
Thanks.

it will fail, reroll.

[78mackson]

Please share with me your ideas to make this build work.
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As long as you take your feats in alphabetical order I think you will be okay.

[Phidius]

Please share with me your ideas to make this build work.
Thanks.

Generally speaking, multiclassing works best when you decide what you want your build to do, then choose the class combinations to meet your goal.

Not the other way around.

[Calebro]

As long as you take your feats in alphabetical order I think you will be okay.

Best advice I've ever seen on these forums.

[jellyfish21]

Trial Bard Sorcerer
Level 20 Neutral Good Human Male
(12 Sorcerer / 8 Bard)
Hit Points: 248
Spell Points: 1681

BAB: 12/12/17/22
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 11
Will: 15

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 13 14
Dexterity 11 12
Constitution 15 18
Intelligence 11 12
Wisdom 11 12
Charisma 16 24

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 0 5
Bluff 3 7
Concentration 6 31
Diplomacy 5 23
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 7 21
Heal 0 1
Hide 4 13
Intimidate 3 7
Jump 5 14
Listen 0 3
Move Silently 4 13
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform 7 34
Repair 0 1
Search 0 1
Spot 0 1
Swim 1 2
Tumble 2 8
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Improved Perform I

Level 2 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I

Level 3 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Force Manipulation I

Level 4 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Empowering I
Enhancement: Deadly Acid I
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation II

Level 5 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration II
Enhancement: Force Manipulation II

Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Conjuration
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I

Level 7 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting II
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded II

Level 8 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Sorcerer Earth Savant I

Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Deadly Acid II
Enhancement: Force Manipulation III

Level 10 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II
Enhancement: Improved Perform II

Level 11 (Bard)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III

Level 12 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Negotiator
Enhancement: Bard Virtuoso I

Level 13 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II

Level 14 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Improved Concentration III
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting III
Enhancement: Force Manipulation IV

Level 15 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Bard Music of the Dead
Enhancement: Deadly Acid III
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation V

Level 16 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Force Manipulation V
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded III

Level 17 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting IV
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation VI

Level 18 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Sorcerer Earth Savant II

Level 19 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song III
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Improved Concentration IV
Enhancement: Deadly Acid IV
Enhancement: Force Manipulation VI

Level 20 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II

[Bacab]

Nvm

[erikbozelie]

there are better ways to get nuking into a bard without multiclassing it.
there are better ways to get songs into a sorcerer without multiclassing it.

as such, greater shout. and bard diligette / past life.

[Xyfiel]

there are better ways to get nuking into a bard without multiclassing it.
there are better ways to get songs into a sorcerer without multiclassing it.

as such, greater shout. and bard diligette / past life.

Mask of comedy is a good substitute if you just need a few extra damage.

[Zio_Kose]

The question is Why?

[jellyfish21]

Still there is no positive responses. I thought the forums would have an open mind. "If you wanted some thing mello, get the f..... out of here", Ted Nugent.

[Fishcatch22]

Keep in mind most of them are being polite- there really is no way to make that work well, or give it a point. Tell us what you are trying to accomplish with this build, and we can help you figure something out. Bard/sorc gets reptitive; they share a lot of non-damage spells, and you wouldn't have the DCs to make either your bard spells or your sorc spells worth anything.

[jellyfish21]

Melf's Acid Arrow
Master's Touch
Resist Energy,
Acid Blast
Feather fall
Blur
Heroism
Remove Fear
Rage
Repair Moderate Damage
Haste
Acid Rain
Invisibility
Displacement
Force Missiles
Cloud kill
Chain Missiles
Ice Storm
Protection from Elements
Acid Fog
Cure Moderate Wounds
Good Hope
Cure Serious Wounds
Remove Curse

[jellyfish21]

Heighten and Greater spell focus are not inside this build. Those would make the DCs higher. Are those neccessary?

[Phidius]

Heighten and Greater spell focus are not inside this build. Those would make the DCs higher. Are those neccessary?

With only 12 levels of sorc, and 8 levels of Bard, your DCs are going to be severely handicapped, not to mention your Spell Penetration.

If you want to invest in DCs, max out your main stat, and get the highest level of spell that you class can cast (for a sorc, that's 18 levels).

Every DC you lose is going to hurt your build - make sure what you are getting in return is worth the pain.

[Galeria]

What is it you are trying to do with this build?

Gonna have to echo the other posts- this build is not particularly good at being a sorc or a bard and neither class is giving the other a boost that offsets the lost levels of a pure class.

[sweez]

You guys, stop being elitist.

I'm no expert on 8 bard/12 sorc builds, but I imagine Eschew materials as good a place as any to start - just think of how much inventory space you'll save by not having to carry around two different sets of spell comps!