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    Default Bluebar Self-Healing TWF Kensei II DPS Fighter

    12/6/2 Fighter/Favored Soul/Evasion

    The goal of this build is to knock out a few fighter past lives without having to rely on a healer or scrolls to do it. DPS will come from speed boosted Kensei Khopeshes and reflective damage. Healing will come from a regenerating bluebar (GS Con Op & Torc), and land hard with healing amp (DT, Paly PLs x3 & Human amp) Fvs enhancements and ardor clickies.

    At the moment I have it narrowed down to the following two possibilities and am leaning toward 12/6/2 Fighter/Fvs/Rogue. I'm still a month or so from finishing my third life as a Paly who has a similar playstyle, which works very well. So I'm seeking comment on feasibility and possible tweekage.

    Note: I recognize that the current level order effectively eliminates Kensei II before TRing again. This is unfortunate, is it critical?


    12/6/2 Fighter/Favored Soul/Monk

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    Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
    (12 Fighter \ 2 Monk \ 6 Favored Soul) 
    Hit Points: 393
    Spell Points: 450 
    BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
    Fortitude: 20
    Reflex: 15
    Will: 12
    
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    Level 1 (Monk)
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
    Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
    Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 2 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 3 (Favored Soul)
    Feat: (Diety) Favored by the Sovereign Host
    Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
    
    
    Level 4 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 5 (Favored Soul)
    
    
    Level 6 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
    
    
    Level 7 (Favored Soul)
    
    
    Level 8 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 9 (Favored Soul)
    Feat: (Selected) Cleave
    
    
    Level 10 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
    
    
    Level 11 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 12 (Favored Soul)
    Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 13 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 14 (Favored Soul)
    
    
    Level 15 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 16 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave
    
    
    Level 17 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 18 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Combat Casting
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 19 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 20 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
    Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
    Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
    Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
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    Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
    Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
    Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life I
    Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Life I
    Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic I
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    Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV
    12/6/2 Fighter/Favored Soul/Rogue - for some S/A damage, better skill point & possibly OL.

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    Hit Points: 324
    Spell Points: 435 
    BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
    Fortitude: 17
    Reflex: 15
    Will: 9
    
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    Intelligence         12                    14
    Wisdom                8                    10
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    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 2 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 3 (Favored Soul)
    Feat: (Diety) Favored by the Sovereign Host
    Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
    
    
    Level 4 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 5 (Favored Soul)
    
    
    Level 6 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
    
    
    Level 7 (Favored Soul)
    
    
    Level 8 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 9 (Favored Soul)
    Feat: (Selected) Cleave
    
    
    Level 10 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 11 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 12 (Favored Soul)
    Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 13 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 14 (Favored Soul)
    
    
    Level 15 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 16 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave
    
    
    Level 17 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 18 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 19 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 20 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
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    Kensei II is really nice but I don't see that you will get it before level 20 on just about any build.

    Accepting that, there's no reason to get more fighter levels than what is absolutely necessary to qualify for the PL; I'd suggest stopping at 7 (which should work in most cases due to F being close to the beginning of the alphabet ...)

    7 fighter/7 x/6 y leaves a lot of possibilities depending on gear and playstyle:
    Ranger: Tempest I (+10% offhand), Feats (ITWF/Manyshot), Ram's Might (+2 strength, +2 damage) makes this one of the best 6 level splashes.
    Monk: AC, Stunning Fist, Light buffs/Shadowfade, healing amp, what's not to love?
    Artificer: BEI, weapon infusions, UMD, W&SM; very strong choice
    FvS: AoVI
    Cleric: RSI
    Rogue: 7 rogue is really nice if you have a strategy to land SA such as stunning fist, improved deception or radiance weapons (4d6+9 SA*1.5 for helpless from stunning fist is amazeballs).

    I get that you're not keen on scrolls but with decent heal amp and vampiric wraps with cure critical wand to fall back on ... makes for a very sturdy, high AC, fast moving character with an almost never fail success rate stunning fist for 1.5x to all damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wax_on_wax_off View Post

    Artificer: BEI, weapon infusions, UMD, W&SM; very strong choice.
    I just realized I missed the Arty suggestion.

    The BAB and number of feats are equal to Fvs. Hit points (I forgot to mention this about Bards too) are lower and the spell points are 1/2 of Fvs. The weapon enhancements would be a nice bonus and Arty would also likely open the possibility of traps. But, I’m not sure how well CMW & CSW Admixtures work. Also, I don’t see Arty enhancements for increasing healing power (other than Maximize of course).

    As for the Battle Engineer: +2 crit damage and +2 weapon enhancement are really great. But that means I’ve got to spend AP on crossbow damage & attack (prereqs). This is not a deal breaker but I’m a little leery of the healing ability and the significant reduction in spell points. So again I’m inclined to stick with Fvs.

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    Good input – thank you. You’re right about Kensei II. In fact with banking levels I technically won’t see level 19 or 20. So, the only way I can see fitting in another PrE is if it comes from the healing class, currently at level 14.

    The goal is bluebar healing. I don’t mind using scrolls I just don’t want to have to rely on them. Rangers don’t get heal spells until lvl 8, and then only CLW. Paladins get CLW sooner but still really don’t work as healers w/o also becoming the main class. So that means I will need some levels of Cleric, FvS or possibly Bard.

    Healing Options:

    Originally I choose Fvs 1) thinking it meshed well with the melee focus of the build 2) because the added spell points couldn’t hurt and 3) because I mostly just need CMW & CSW. However their PrE is probably not useful here (in fact I didn’t even plan to take it).

    With Cleric I will get the same BAB as Fvs but one less feat, more spells but less spell points and a marginally useful PrE. I don’t think Clr outweighs Fvs.

    Bard is a little interesting and I hadn’t initially given it consideration. It gives the same BAB and one less feat than Fvs. However, it has a significant reduction in spell points. And, bards don’t have access to CSW until level 7. On the positive side it does come with haste, rage, one tier of bard song and Warchanter. I still think the advantage goes to Fvs. (For one thing this means 11 Ftr/7Bard/2 Evasion).

    Other Melee Optoins:

    I don’t know that I would be able to take advantage of the Monk levels. Stunning fists don’t work with Khopesh and neither does AC for that matter. Plus this build counts on reflective damage so AC is counterproductive.

    Extra 5 levels of Rogue: I don’t have radiance weapons and will not be investing 6 LDSs on a pass-tru life, but still 3d6 extra S/A when you can get it is nice. But again, the build play style is partially based on reflective damage which means agro, which of course means no S/A. What I do like about the idea of 7 levels of rogue is that it will open the possibility of doing traps. Trap bonus = faster leveling.

    Thoughts?

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    6th level "Blue Bar" healing after level 10 or so is pretty pointless. You'll burn throughyour mana just topping yourslef off between fights. Trying to blue bar during fights will net you nothing unless you not only max rank Concentration, your gonna need to dedicate a slot or 2 to and enhancements.

    If you want to do self sufficient fighter, its hard to be Half-ELf w/ Cleric dilettante. Heal scrolls and access to all healing wands.

    no reason to go 18 STR if its just a TR template either. those 6 build point will be way more usefull elsewhere.
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    Impaqt – thanks for weighing in. I’ve followed many of your rogue builds with interest for a long time.

    My current life is 18/2 paly/monk. With GS Concordant Op & a Torc, Paly PL and other healing amp, devotion enhancements and Ardor clickies I have no trouble healing myself midfight – none. So I am pretty confident I’ll have no trouble with the same gear and 6 levels of Fvs.

    You’ll note that i've invested heavily in concentration. And, with torc and con op procs I rarely drop below 50% spell points. So the occasional fizzle isn’t that big of a deal. Should it become one, I can fall back on pots/wands/scrolls/mana potions.

    18 Str: I’m open to suggestions here. I would honestly love to hear your thoughts.

    My current thinking on starting stats:

    Wis - my highest spell is 3rd and I’ll easily hit 13 with gear and tomes, so no trouble casting.

    Char - this would give me some more spell points and better UMD, but I’m not sure either are critical.

    Intel - could be bumped up I guess but it’s already starting 12 with +2 tome. I’m not sure there’s a big reason to increase that either.


    Note: tomes have obvioulsy already been eaten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macrovox View Post
    My current life is 18/2 paly/monk. With GS Concordant Op & a Torc, Paly PL and other healing amp, devotion enhancements and Ardor clickies I have no trouble healing myself midfight – none. So I am pretty confident I’ll have no trouble with the same gear and 6 levels of Fvs.

    You healing will be less. You'll have fewer caster levels, and only have access to Life Magic II. You're looking at 90 - 100 hp before haling amp.

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    That is a good point. I will lose 9 hit points of healing from caster level 6 vs 15 (Heals 3d6+6 hp plus 1 point per caster level (max 15)) and Life magic II (20%) vs. Paly devotion IV (40%) is also a downgrade. However, Fvs have Prayer of incredible life (3% chance of 1.75% heals) which paladins do not.

    I think you’re right the healing may be a little less effective, but paly healing is more than adequate. I think there is room for the downgrade and I’ll still have scrolls, wands & pots to fill gaps.

    By the way, 90-100 seems a little low. The 75% from ardor clickies and Maximize alone should be able to get in the 90-100 range before adding Fvs enhancements. And, even if 90-100 pre-crit heal is the right number, after filtering that through my healing amp (Paly PL x3, DT and human recovery II) we’re still talking about pretty significant heals.

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    I took a shot at the math; you’re right without Incredible Life, the heals are going to be quite a bit smaller. I may need to wear my Tempest healing amp instead of Salt guard (that would make my Non-crit CSW range 94 to 210).

    The numbers:
    12/6/2 Ftr/Fvs/Evasion build:
    CSW (12 to 27) x Life magic (1.1 x 2) x Ardor (1.75) x Maximize (2) x Paly PLs (1.05 x 3) x DT (1.1) x Human Recovery (1.1 x 2) = 78 to 176.
    With Incredible Life procs = 137 to 308.

    18/2 Paly/Monk:
    CSW (18 to 33) x Paly Devotion IV (1.1 x 4) x Ardor (1.75) x Maximize (2) x Paly PLs (1.05 x 2) x DT (1.1) x Human Recovery (1.1 x 2) = 135 to 248


    Edited math error (Paly CSW should be 3d6+15 not 3d6+18)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macrovox View Post
    I took a shot at the math; you’re right without Incredible Life, the heals are going to be quite a bit smaller. I may need to wear my Tempest healing amp instead of Salt guard (that would make my Non-crit CSW range 94 to 210).

    The numbers:
    12/6/2 Ftr/Fvs/Evasion build:
    CSW (12 to 27) x Life magic (1.1 x 2) x Ardor (1.75) x Maximize (2) x Paly PLs (1.05 x 3) x DT (1.1) x Human Recovery (1.1 x 2) = 78 to 176.
    With Incredible Life procs = 137 to 308.

    18/2 Paly/Monk:
    CSW (18 to 33) x Paly Devotion IV (1.1 x 4) x Ardor (1.75) x Maximize (2) x Paly PLs (1.05 x 2) x DT (1.1) x Human Recovery (1.1 x 2) = 135 to 248


    Edited math error (Paly CSW should be 3d6+15 not 3d6+18)
    Formula is: base*(enhancements+potency)*(maximise+empower)=out put

    So, 22.5*(1+.2+.75)*(1+1)=87.75 average.
    Heal amp: 1.05*1.05*1.1*1.2=1.46

    Total=127.7, not exactly stellar.

    I'd revisit the cleric option, you can get free maximised, empowered, empower healed radiant servant bursts (costs 2 extra feats but):

    11.5*(1+.2+.75)*(1+1+.5+.5)=67 (with 14 base charisma you'll have enough of these to blast through most undead content).

    Also you get +1 CL on cure spells (included in burst calc there).

    You can go up to level 7 cleric getting Cure Critical Wounds, Divine Power, Life Magic III and ... Recitation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wax_on_wax_off View Post
    I'd revisit the cleric option, you can get free maximised, empowered, empower healed radiant servant bursts (costs 2 extra feats but):

    11.5*(1+.2+.75)*(1+1+.5+.5)=67 (with 14 base charisma you'll have enough of these to blast through most undead content).

    Also you get +1 CL on cure spells (included in burst calc there).

    You can go up to level 7 cleric getting Cure Critical Wounds, Divine Power, Life Magic III and ... Recitation?

    You missed one paly past life =) Heal amp: 1.05*1.05*1.05*1.1*1.2=1.53, for an average of 134 hps per CSW.

    Still a fighter healing himself for 134 hp as often as needed IS exactly stellar – that’s the beauty of it. As the spell points regen, cures can be tossed to keep health up. This interrupts the attack sequence a bit but not as much as backing out, switching to a heal scroll, casting, reequipping and stepping back in. I think it is very workable.

    That cleric option does not cost 2 extra feats; it costs 3. Clerics get one fewer than Fvs. Consider that and the fact that Cleric spell points are 1/2 a Favored Soul's and Radiant Bursts start to look pretty expensive.

    Cleric 7 does mean CCW and Life Magic III, but at the likely cost of evasion. With this build melee damage is good; magic damage is bad. Evasion is a big part of what I believe will make this work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macrovox View Post
    That cleric option does not cost 2 extra feats; it costs 3. Clerics get one fewer than Fvs.
    Wait, what? You need to check your facts here. FVS get faith related feats;Favored by (your faith), Child of (your faith), etc. However those aren't regular feats.

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    IMO, it seems like a weaker version of a paladin :/
    Even twf :3
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    Quote Originally Posted by EpiKagEMO View Post
    IMO, it seems like a weaker version of a paladin :/
    Even twf :3
    Which is fine if you're wanting to knock out a fighter PL and have some self healing. It's just not as nice as the OP originally thought, but it should do the trick.

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    By the way, this discussion is very helpful to me. Thank you for all the comments so far.

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    Hmm? I would have sworn I saw Maximize should up as a class feat on the planner. Still that takes nothing from the point I was making; 2 feats, 1/2 the spell points, and bursts landing for 1/2 the value of CSW does not make a strong argument for Cleric over Favored Soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macrovox View Post
    Hmm? I would have sworn I saw Maximize should up as a class feat on the planner. Still that takes nothing from the point I was making; 2 feats, 1/2 the spell points, and bursts landing for 1/2 the value of CSW does not make a strong argument for Cleric over Favored Soul.
    Not half, that's before heal amp is factored in so it becomes 102 damage healed per burst. Possibly one of the most important things about this healing is that it is not interruptible which is a major issue when healing in melee.

    11 fighter/7 cleric/2 rogue works fine. 8 fighter/7 cleric/5 rogue works too. 10 fighter/8 cleric/2 rogue is an option too. A point in favour of FvS is that you could have 9/9/2 or 7/7/6 due to the order issues.

    You get 3+charisma modifier turns/day+enhancements+items+feats. With extra turning III (6 AP), 14 base charisma, +2 tome, +2 ship buff, +6 item you're at 13 turns/day which is equivalent to ~1300 damage healed or 10 maximised CSW or 370 SP (before efficient maximise is included). Also, these turns regenerate at 1 every 2 minutes so it will be more than that.

    Vs undead the burst becomes a 8*4.5*(1+.75+.3)*(1+1+.5+.5)=221 damage AoE nuke (at cleric level 7).

    SP wise, at level 6, cleric has 260 while FvS has 435. Add double returns from archmagi/cunning trinket/GS SP item and the different expands a bit but I still think the cleric will have more healing power.

    Going back to the biggest thing for me though: bursts can't be interrupted like CSW spell can. With that in mind, cleric wins.
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    Wax – once again you’ve given me much to think about. But, I don’t have time to look into it this morning.

    Off the cuff I’m thinking that taking another non-fighter level means (in my case fighter level 10 due to level banking) costs 1 fighter feat (plus the 2 extra meta feats) and ftr haste boost IV. BAB is a wash b/w cleric 7 and fighter 10.

    Cleric: Another cost of taking two more metafeats is the cost to cast from a decreased spell point pool. I don’t have time at the moment but I will run the numbers of simply taking empower healing with the Fvs build. I’ll also figure out my actual sp after gear for each build.

    In the meantime, thanks for the input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macrovox View Post
    Wax – once again you’ve given me much to think about. But, I don’t have time to look into it this morning.

    Off the cuff I’m thinking that taking another non-fighter level means (in my case fighter level 10 due to level banking) costs 1 fighter feat (plus the 2 extra meta feats) and ftr haste boost IV. BAB is a wash b/w cleric 7 and fighter 10.

    Cleric: Another cost of taking two more metafeats is the cost to cast from a decreased spell point pool. I don’t have time at the moment but I will run the numbers of simply taking empower healing with the Fvs build. I’ll also figure out my actual sp after gear for each build.

    In the meantime, thanks for the input.
    I'd suggest 9 fighter, 8 cleric, 3 rogue (or effectively 7/8/3). You lose some feats; WF:S, WS:S, Cleave, Great Cleave, OSTWF, Combat Casting I think. Feat list is something like: TWF*3, Stunning Blow, Toughness, PA, IC:S, Maximise, Empower, Empower Healing, Extend, EWP: Khopesh.

    With this setup you lose 3 ab and 2 damage but gain 4 ab from Divine Power and CL:10 Divine Favour (with robe of duality swap in) and 1 damage (from divine favour). Overall that's +1 AB, -1 damage which isn't too bad.

    If you swapped back to 2 monk you can add back in WF/WS:S for +2 AB, +1 damage overall.

    8 cleric gives Deathward, Freedom of Movement and Divine Power as level 4 spells along with Cure Critical Wounds which will hit for almost 300/pop for 70 SP if maxed out but leaving it with all metamagics off will still give 97 HP for a measly 20 SP.

    Radiant Servant burst will cure for 128/pop and hit for ~250 vs undead and it cures negative levels and stat damage as well. You'll get 13 of these/day and they regenerate 1 every 2 minutes (so in a 10 minute run between shrines you'll have 17 at your disposal or almost 2200 HP of 0 SP healing that can't be interrupted (unless you get tripped of course).

    Perhaps craft a GS conc-opp +6 strength, 20% healing amp, 30% healing amp khopesh for use in the offhand? Not sure what your final build is but I can't imagine that this item wouldn't continue to be useful in the future.

    1 disadvantage is that the build will be at ~-3 reflex save. Certainly an issue but there are ways around it (reflex slotted chaos armour for when it's really needed (fleshmakers brigadine is really nice), attention to saves in general when it isn't).

    Heal scrolls will be at 75% from caster level. If you manage even 75% from UMD that will be close to a sure thing (6.25% chance of failure?).

    I'd look at more rounded stats to fit in trap skills. Possibly: 16 strength+level ups, 15 dex, 14 con, 14 int, 14 cha, 8 wis? This gives 5 skill points/level which should be enough to max concentration, UMD and disable device (find traps spell will help search but extra points go here too when possible). Probably take first rogue level at 1, second at 7-8 (when your +2 int tome kicks in), third at ~15 (just at a guess).

    Wouldn't happen to be able to make a radiance guard DT? Nice guard and the SA vs blind mobs would be excellent for leveling.

    Sorry to go on a bit, some ideas just capture my imagination I suppose
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    Quote Originally Posted by wax_on_wax_off View Post
    Sorry to go on a bit, some ideas just capture my imagination I suppose
    Nah, don't be sorry, this is god stuff.

    I like the idea of CCW, Divine Power, DW & 10% more healing (I’ve got Kundarak Delving Boots – so no need for FoM). Other than the 4th lvl 4 spell, what’s the advantage of 8 Cleric over 7. Also, is the 3rd Rogue for an extra d6 S/A? I plan to have much agro.

    About RS I: The bursts are great, and I haven’t ruled it out. But here is some of what I’m working through.
    1) I’m not at all worried about interrupted spells. With my current build it happens infrequently and when it does I simply cast another. (Note this is w/o Combat Casting; just concentration AP.) So, uninterrupted bursts solve a problem that doesn’t really exist.
    2) Curing negative levels and stat damage is nice, and so is double damage to undead. But resto pots and heal scrolls will address the first, and Fighter haste boosts will help with the second.
    3) The point of the build is to take advantage of my gear (Con Op & Torc). RS I doesn’t care, and using bursts will likely mean a full and unused bluebar. This may too be over-solving a problem.
    4) The burst animation is not quick; how does it relate to CSW? I’m wondering about decreased DPS not interruptions.
    5) Keep it simple – Favored Soul does not require unneeded enhancements (Imp Turning I & Imp Heal II), has a pared down spell list (all I need is CSW and CMW for backup), comes with more spell points and doesn’t require starting stat shift from Str to Char for extra bursts. Often the simple solution is the best solution.

    If I drop cleave/great cleave for empower/empower heal with nearly 700 spell points 12/6/2 Fighter Favored Soul Evasion may work just fine. With starting stat (Wisdom or Charisma) of 8, +2 ship buffs, +6 item and GS +150 item, my spell points should look like this:
    Cleric 6 = 470
    Cleric 7 = 509
    Cleric 8 = 553
    Fvs 6 = 690
    Fvs 7 = 754

    I’ve got a little time before TR to kick this around. Maybe I’ll try a non-geared version of Ftr/ Cleric with my vet 7 status to see how it plays. Of course I’ll have to delete a bank mule and find the time to do it. In the meantime thank you for the input and let me know what you think of the above ramblings.


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    Another thread, which aims for similar things, but comes to different conclusions is this: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=333575
    I'd also like to spend some time on Karl's link. I'll get to that later.

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