Pure or splash fighter or other.

[firemedium_jt]

Lvl 18 Barb Dwarf with dumped chr int wis. 18 con base. 18 str 28pt.

Plz post your builds for 28pt and 32 pt.

Currently 2hf to geater and frenzy3.

Not looking to LR or GR unless far off from ur end game builds. Own 32pt.

Gear and tactics advice too.

[porq]

No specific build, but there's not much to building a barb as long as you max str, have good con score and pick the right feats. Sounds like you're already on that path though.

I would recommend the 2 fighter splash to all barbarians.

You can get +1 str from enhancements to help make up for the capstone loss, and the haste boost is invaluable for boosting dps.

The extra 2 feats are great for fitting in everything. A typical non-human pure barb must choose between Toughness and Stunning Blow, assuming the other essential feats are already taken:

THF, iTHF, gTHF, Power Attack, iCrit: Slashing, Cleave

Taking a fighter splash allows you to take both Toughness and Stunning Blow, and take an extra feat. I recommend iSunder as that is rather nice now.

[IceCreamBlade]

The 2 splash fighter isn't waht it used to be. Just stay pure. My capped Geared barb will out dps any 18/2 of the same gear level.

[Thrudh]

The 2 splash fighter isn't waht it used to be. Just stay pure. My capped Geared barb will out dps any 18/2 of the same gear level.

By how much?

18/2 barb/fighter gets both Stunning Blow and Improved Sunder. If you don't have Stunning Blow, you don't out-DPS me against trash. If you don't have Improved Sunder, you don't out-DPS me against a boss.

So which is it?

[IceCreamBlade]

It a raid enviorment someone has both feats. In a party enviorment, someone most likely has both feats. So either way I out DPS you. I can also Tank better.

[Thrudh]

It a raid enviorment someone has both feats. In a party enviorment, someone most likely has both feats. So either way I out DPS you. I can also Tank better.

(1) You need other people to carry you. I don't.
(2) How much more DPS? How much does the capstone really give? 2% more DPS? 5% more DPS? 1% more DPS?
(3) How do you "tank" better than a 18/2 barb/fighter. What exactly does 20 barb get you that makes you a better "tank"? A few more hit points?

[goodspeed]

It a raid enviorment someone has both feats. In a party environment, someone most likely has both feats. So either way I out DPS you. I can also Tank better.

lol theirs the best sentence ever. Right before the ** hits the fan.

Why don't you have it? It's a main feat!

I don't need that ****, I do more then enough dmg looking out for myself then worrying about if your build can cut it.

Why don't you have recon slotted!! Your a sorc.

IDK why are you a robot? Cause i'm made of flesh and bone.

Wait you don't have haste? But your a warchanter! It's practically pure dps for you.

Ya it also costs 30 sp a hit. I'm wearing my alacrity, wheres yours?

Ahh assumptions hahahaha.

[Cyndrome]

Splash 20 levels of sorc, wizard, or favored soul. You will not be sorry.

[Quetzacoala]

Splash 20 levels of sorc, wizard, or favored soul. You will not be sorry.

Bah, why stop at 20?

[Jsbeer]

As the previous posters have commented it really comes down to whether you want slightly more DPS from the capstone or more flexibility form the fighter splash.. A detailed comparison that is still fairly valid can be found here:

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...75&postcount=2

and

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...73&postcount=3

Although the second post deals with a Half-Orc barbarian the points are still valid for a Dwarf. Note that things have changed slightly since this post, but reading through the thread will help you make an informed decision.

[Enoach]

ignoring the "mines bigger than yours"...

Here is what you get going pure Barbarian: This is what you need to make sure the splash equals or exceeds.

1 More Rage
1 More Natural DR
1 More Improved Uncanny Dodge
Mighty Rage (+2 STR/CON and +1 Will Save above what you are already getting) while Raging

Barbarian Might (+2 STR and for Two Handed Weapons +10% Glancing Blow Damage and +5% Special Effect procs on Glancing blows) ( 2 AP)


Here is what Two Levels of Fighter get you:
2 Bonus Fighter Feats - Must come from the list (But its not really that limited a list if your a melee)
Fighter haste Boost 1 15% (5 per rest) ( 1 AP ) <- Note there are items that Increase the number of boosts and with the last fix that now only reduces the Max, using them and swapping out is no longer painful
Fighter Strength I Enhancement ( 2 AP )
Fighter Strategy I (Sunder, Stun, Trip) (1 AP each)

==========================================
A pure Barbarian while Raged will have +3 Strength over an 18/2
A pure Barbarian while Raged will have 10% more Glancing Blow Damage while Two Handed Fighting - Of course this is only a difference when there is more than one target
An 18/2 will have more Feats - If you feel lacking in this area this is a bonus
An 18/2 will attack 15% more for 5 20 second intervals


The question for you is, do you Feel the 2 Levels of Barbarian will give you more over the 2 levels of Fighter.

[DragonMageT]

ignoring the "mines bigger than yours"...

Here is what you get going pure Barbarian: This is what you need to make sure the splash equals or exceeds.

1 More Rage
1 More Natural DR
1 More Improved Uncanny Dodge
Mighty Rage (+2 STR/CON and +1 Will Save above what you are already getting) while Raging

Barbarian Might (+2 STR and for Two Handed Weapons +10% Glancing Blow Damage and +5% Special Effect procs on Glancing blows) ( 2 AP)


Here is what Two Levels of Fighter get you:
2 Bonus Fighter Feats - Must come from the list (But its not really that limited a list if your a melee)
Fighter haste Boost 1 15% (5 per rest) ( 1 AP ) <- Note there are items that Increase the number of boosts and with the last fix that now only reduces the Max, using them and swapping out is no longer painful
Fighter Strength I Enhancement ( 2 AP )
Fighter Strategy I (Sunder, Stun, Trip) (1 AP each)

==========================================
A pure Barbarian while Raged will have +3 Strength over an 18/2
A pure Barbarian while Raged will have 10% more Glancing Blow Damage while Two Handed Fighting - Of course this is only a difference when there is more than one target
An 18/2 will have more Feats - If you feel lacking in this area this is a bonus
An 18/2 will attack 15% more for 5 20 second intervals


The question for you is, do you Feel the 2 Levels of Barbarian will give you more over the 2 levels of Fighter.

You forgot to include damage boost. If you're going to claim 15% haste on the 18/2 then you should add 25% damage on the pure. You can't have both going (damage and haste boost) at the same time.

You can easily dump toughness for Improved Sunder on a pure Barb and still reach 750+ HP while raged.
More than enough HP.

No reason any longer to be 18/2 unless you just like having a little more HP (very little) and like having stunning blow.

[Hanam]

You forgot to include damage boost. If you're going to claim 15% haste on the 18/2 then you should add 25% damage on the pure. You can't have both going (damage and haste boost) at the same time.

He never said you could. Damage boost is a moot point because he listed what an 18/2 could do that a pure couldn't. You ran out of damage boosts? Guess what, I have 8 more haste boosts that you don't. (Half-Orc example)

You can easily dump toughness for Improved Sunder on a pure Barb and still reach 750+ HP while raged.
More than enough HP.



No reason any longer to be 18/2 unless you just like having a little more HP (very little) and like having stunning blow.


So there is a reason?

2 fighter splash has more utility. Arguing about it is a waste of time. (Wasting time is fun.)

[DragonMageT]

He never said you could. Damage boost is a moot point because he listed what an 18/2 could do that a pure couldn't. You ran out of damage boosts? Guess what, I have 8 more haste boosts that you don't. (Half-Orc example)

Lol, you ran out of damage boost...Guess what? the boss has been killed.

The point, since you missed it, was that listing a 15% damage bonus as a plus to the 18/2 only applies
in very few circumstances since the boss, trash, etc has already been killed.

The few would be Elite TOD and ELOB.

So there is a reason?

damned if I do...damned if I don't

No not really, just covering the bases for those that say...
"I like playing 18/2" or "But I have to have stunning blow" or "But, But I need toughness" get the picture!

2 fighter splash has more utility. Arguing about it is a waste of time. (Wasting time is fun.)

OH NOooo, you used the U word. I can't possible argue against that.

Can't wait to hear this one...Really, please enlighten me on how they have more utility ???
Let me guess...stunning blow...

How about we just put a *15% haste boost (see notes below)

Your right arguing about it is fun!
LOL

[Hanam]

Lol, you ran out of damage boost...Guess what? the boss has been killed.

The point, since you missed it, was that listing a 15% damage bonus as a plus to the 18/2 only applies
in very few circumstances since the boss, trash, etc has already been killed.

The few would be Elite TOD and ELOB.



damned if I do...damned if I don't

No not really, just covering the bases for those that say...
"I like playing 18/2" or "But I have to have stunning blow" or "But, But I need toughness" get the picture!




OH NOooo, you used the U word. I can't possible argue against that.

Can't wait to hear this one...Really, please enlighten me on how they have more utility ???
Let me guess...stunning blow...

How about we just put a *15% haste boost (see notes below)

Your right arguing about it is fun!
LOL

What part of 2 extra feats doesn't make sense for extra utility?

You could take one or two of the following for utility:

Sap
Stunning Blow
Improved Sunder
Shield mastery

[Thrudh]

No reason any longer to be 18/2 unless you just like having a little more HP (very little) and like having stunning blow.

Who doesn't like having stunning blow?

Have you ever USED stunning blow?

[GlorifyQuC]

Glancing blows hit the main target as well on your 1st and 4th swings.

[firemedium_jt]

Yeah heard improved sunder is nice. Will get cap if can with lvl 25. Heard reducing boss fortification is worth it. Helps group against boss not just my dps.


How much can multiple improved sunders reduce fortification % and saving throw fort of boss with timers on it and multi improved sunders by other party melees?


How is that plan?

[firemedium_jt]

How much can multiple improved sunders reduce fortification % and saving throw fort of boss with timers on it and multi improved sunders by other party melees?

??

[smithj_2020]

Either way it works, I went pure, with gear and all does amazing job. The only thing about 2 fighter, F the IMP sunder, with pure barb sunder is enough with a Horc 78+ str you will land it only miss stunning blow, I can land trip alot which doesn't last as long but works.

My vote is pure