D3 vs DDO = ddo wins

[al73r]

Tried the open beta this weekend. Can't say I'm impressed. I was a huge d2 fan and d3 is a neutered version of d2. I was expecting d3 to have more abilities as far as character customization goes. They in fact made it so you have less abilities as you play and you cannot change your character stats. Heck you can't even change the appearance of the character.

The game basically is super dumb'd down. There is no thought really in it other than kill and get items. Everything else is taken care of for you.

DDO wins again. (also please don't dumb down ddo anymore)

Sorry d3 you set your self up for gold farmers and nothing more. (see real money auction house in d3).

Alter

[Lotusxyx]

Although I find your thread to be a kind of apples and oranges comparison, I think you do have a valid complaint.
Comparing an MMO to a loot fest game like D3 is a little off. Personally, I think that DDO has spoiled the user base with the lengths it allows us to customise our characters. When we come across other games that don't push the boat out as far, we're a little disappointed. I know I am.
It is clear, though, that too much customisation is a bit of a double edged sword. I'm sure you can attest to the number of gimp toons running around Stormreach. This is, in large, because it's easy for a newer player to shoot themself in the foot thanks to the myriad of differences they can make when rolling a new toon.
I don't think D3 was ever supposed to be about that. I feel it was design to be fun and easy to pick up and play. It'll get you hooked on easy gameplay and shoot-and-loot nature of the game, however on-rails that may appear. I can't really see it drawing away the DDO user base as it doesn't scratch the same itch that DDO does.
I'll probably give the game a fair try out when it's released, but I certainly won't be hanging up my +1 Shortsword of Halfling Bane any time soon.

[Uska]

Although I find your thread to be a kind of apples and oranges comparison, I think you do have a valid complaint.
Comparing an MMO to a loot fest game like D3 is a little off. Personally, I think that DDO has spoiled the user base with the lengths it allows us to customise our characters. When we come across other games that don't push the boat out as far, we're a little disappointed. I know I am.
It is clear, though, that too much customisation is a bit of a double edged sword. I'm sure you can attest to the number of gimp toons running around Stormreach. This is, in large, because it's easy for a newer player to shoot themself in the foot thanks to the myriad of differences they can make when rolling a new toon.
I don't think D3 was ever supposed to be about that. I feel it was design to be fun and easy to pick up and play. It'll get you hooked on easy gameplay and shoot-and-loot nature of the game, however on-rails that may appear. I can't really see it drawing away the DDO user base as it doesn't scratch the same itch that DDO does.
I'll probably give the game a fair try out when it's released, but I certainly won't be hanging up my +1 Shortsword of Halfling Bane any time soon.

Problem is if the game play is to easy you run the risk of boring your players to quickly the game really felt more like a iPad app than a real game and worth about the same price it just confirmed my choice not to play blizzard games any more

[Postumus]

It is clear, though, that too much customisation is a bit of a double edged sword. I'm sure you can attest to the number of gimp toons running around Stormreach. This is, in large, because it's easy for a newer player to shoot themself in the foot thanks to the myriad of differences they can make when rolling a new toon.

I think this is a horrible argument for the 'negative' aspects of freedom of customization. People learn how to build characters by trial and error. Sometimes the errors are so bad they need to re-roll, and I think new players do this quite a bit as they are feeling out the game, but this game is easy enough for most builds to make it to 20 while the player has fun doing so. Non min/maxed cookie cutter build does not equal unplayable.


Building for epics is a different mindset altogether and it would be extremely rare for a new player to reach this goal in his/her first life considering the gear, past lives, tomes, etc always included in 100% of the epic builds posted in the forums.

[Lotusxyx]

I think this is a horrible argument for the 'negative' aspects of freedom of customization. People learn how to build characters by trial and error. Sometimes the errors are so bad they need to re-roll, and I think new players do this quite a bit as they are feeling out the game, but this game is easy enough for most builds to make it to 20 while the player has fun doing so. Non min/maxed cookie cutter build does not equal unplayable.


Building for epics is a different mindset altogether and it would be extremely rare for a new player to reach this goal in his/her first life considering the gear, past lives, tomes, etc always included in 100% of the epic builds posted in the forums.

I never said it was a bad thing XD. I said it was a double edged sword, meaning it has the potential to backfire. Personally, I'm all for customisation. The more the better. It's one of the main reasons I'm still playing DDO, and it certainly shows. In particular, compare it to SWTOR. I feel the customisation in that MMO is superficial at best. Your characters have very strict roles, and you basically pidgeonhole yourself into one of two things with your class/advanced class choice. It made the game feel too restrictive, as far as I'm concerned.

[Uska]

Unless the game changes a lot between now and release (I don't see that happening) I won't be buying it got pretty bored rather quickly it offered nothing new over D2 and as you said it seems pretty dumbed down


Seems funny that the only game that can keep me playing is 6 years old

[ShadowFlash]

Seems funny that the only game that can keep me playing is 6 years old

I STILL play Age of Wonders...the last expansion was 8 years ago, lol...sadly that genre has dissapeared.

ShadowFlash

[Uska]

I STILL play Age of Wonders...the last expansion was 8 years ago, lol...sadly that genre has dissapeared.

ShadowFlash

never really cared for that one much but my friend sure did I prefered Kohan.

[HalfOrcBeautyQueen]

Unless the game changes a lot between now and release (I don't see that happening) I won't be buying it got pretty bored rather quickly it offered nothing new over D2 and as you said it seems pretty dumbed down


Seems funny that the only game that can keep me playing is 6 years old

I know, I have so much fun playing this game. I'm really looking forward to the expansion so I can play it for the next six years.

[al73r]

again, I see this time and time again on these boards. I did compare the game to d2 initially. Please don't think i'm making a direct comparison of ddo to d3 because you are right that is apples to oranges.
However from d2 to d3 it has become dumb'd down and neutered.

Alter

[Lotusxyx]

again, I see this time and time again on these boards. I did compare the game to d2 initially. Please don't think i'm making a direct comparison of ddo to d3 because you are right that is apples to oranges.
However from d2 to d3 it has become dumb'd down and neutered.

Alter

I wasn't really having a go at you or anything like that. The bulk of my argument was highlighting the difference in the genres. The comparison you made between the games comes from the very title of your thread, that's all.

[markusthelion]

I'm pretty much always going to play ddo, because it is a 'different' game for me. However Guild Wars 2 looks excellent and I will be playing that. It seems to be a good counter-balance to ddo imo.

[Aaxeyu]

Playing d3 and I'm loving it.

DDO is a very different game, so what are you comparing exactly?

[al73r]

Playing d3 and I'm loving it.

DDO is a very different game, so what are you comparing exactly?

Trolling or did not read.

[Uska]

Playing d3 and I'm loving it.

DDO is a very different game, so what are you comparing exactly?

D3 is boringly easy to play I wasn't expecting much from it but it was even less than I expected

[Aaxeyu]

D3 is boringly easy to play I wasn't expecting much from it but it was even less than I expected

yeah you would say the exact same about DDO if you only ever played khorthos on normal.

Get some perspective.

[Uska]

yeah you would say the exact same about DDO if you only ever played khorthos on normal.

Get some perspective.

kothos on normal is 100% better than d3 beta the first time through I will agree kothos has about zero% replay interest. but if you never played it its not bad

[Aaxeyu]

kothos on normal is 100% better than d3 beta the first time through I will agree kothos has about zero% replay interest. but if you never played it its not bad

I disagree.
I have not played it with anyone who didn't find it boring and confusing the first time around.

[teh_meh]

You're being too nostalgic over D2 and giving it too much credit. Stat point distribution in D2 from a min/max standpoint was shallow (enough STR to carry the loot you planned-out, everything else into VIT). This is how you ran hell on almost every build. DEX/EN were flavor allocations, at best...outright nerfing yourself at worst.

In terms of allocating Stat points, that too was a lie. In D2 you were spamming 2 optimized skills 90% of the time which means stat points HAD to follow certain cookie-cutter routes or, again, you were nerfing yourself.

Trust me, we're not missing much having D3 auto-level our stats for us.

Why you are trying to compare DDO to D3 kind of mystifies me because they are not comparable aside from being different options to occupy our time. Like I said, Diablo was never really about role playing. It's about slaying monsters and grinding loot on a very primitive (yet satisfying) level.

You say you tried the open beta this weekend but all the Diablo 3 sites are saying the servers have been in full meltdown mode from the crushing demand...so I'm not sure how you got in and, even if you did, how you managed to play for any meaningful period of time before crashing out.

So I'm gunna call bull on your post, mate.

[al73r]

You're being too nostalgic over D2 and giving it too much credit. Stat point distribution in D2 from a min/max standpoint was shallow (enough STR to carry the loot you planned-out, everything else into VIT). This is how you ran hell on almost every build. DEX/EN were flavor allocations, at best...outright nerfing yourself at worst.

In terms of allocating Stat points, that too was a lie. In D2 you were spamming 2 optimized skills 90% of the time which means stat points HAD to follow certain cookie-cutter routes or, again, you were nerfing yourself.

Trust me, we're not missing much having D3 auto-level our stats for us.

Why you are trying to compare DDO to D3 kind of mystifies me because they are not comparable aside from being different options to occupy our time. Like I said, Diablo was never really about role playing. It's about slaying monsters and grinding loot on a very primitive (yet satisfying) level.

You say you tried the open beta this weekend but all the Diablo 3 sites are saying the servers have been in full meltdown mode from the crushing demand...so I'm not sure how you got in and, even if you did, how you managed to play for any meaningful period of time before crashing out.

So I'm gunna call bull on your post, mate.

Sorry to say I played till i hit lvl 8 (got bored). So call bull all you want as I was playing last night.