New to DDO - My first Build - need critque

[MacRighteous]

Greetings,

There is much I don't understand about this game still - but I am loving it so far.

I am playing a THF paladin (7th level ATM) and I just love this class.

I'm trying to understand this class better by making a build and would like some critique.

My goals are a THF soloing toon with traps and lock skills - I'm not concerned about end game or raiding ATM - but I dont want to be too gimped. I want strong DPS with lots of combat clicky options - survivability - self heals - the ability to open locks -disable traps - and find secret doors and to be able to use magic devices.

I'm not too concerned about enhancements yet - but following Junts paladin guide I have a good idea of what I want.

Here is my build - I suspect its isnt very good as i am so noob - please take a look and advise me on where i go wrong.

thank you in advance.

Character Generated Using: DDO Character Generator
Direct Link to Build: http://www.ddochargen.com/home.aspx?build=17833

Paladin 18 / Rogue 2
Male Human - Lawful Good
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LEVEL 1:
Race Selected: Male Human
Alignment Selected: Lawful Good
Class Selected: Rogue (Rogue 1)
Abilities Raised: STR: 16, CON: 14, INT: 12, WIS: 10, CHA: 16
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +4 (4), Disable Device +4 (4), 
Hide +3 (3), Jump +4 (4), Listen +4 (4), Move Silently +3 (3), 
Open Lock +4 (4), Search +4 (4), Spot +4 (4), Tumble +2 (2), 
UMD +4 (4)
Feats Selected: Toughness, Two-Handed Fighting
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LEVEL 2:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 1 / Rogue 1)
Skills Ranks Raised: Disable Device +0.5 (4.5), 
Open Lock +0.5 (4.5), Search +0.5 (4.5), UMD +0.5 (4.5)
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LEVEL 3:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 2 / Rogue 1)
Skills Ranks Raised: Disable Device +0.5 (5), 
Open Lock +0.5 (5), Search +0.5 (5), UMD +0.5 (5)
Feats Selected: Power Attack
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LEVEL 4:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 3 / Rogue 1)
Abilities Raised: STR: 17
Skills Ranks Raised: Disable Device +0.5 (5.5), 
Open Lock +0.5 (5.5), Search +0.5 (5.5), UMD +0.5 (5.5)
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LEVEL 5:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 4 / Rogue 1)
Skills Ranks Raised: Disable Device +0.5 (6), 
Open Lock +0.5 (6), Search +0.5 (6), UMD +0.5 (6)
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LEVEL 6:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 5 / Rogue 1)
Skills Ranks Raised: Disable Device +0.5 (6.5), 
Open Lock +0.5 (6.5), Search +0.5 (6.5), UMD +0.5 (6.5)
Feats Selected: Extend Spell
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LEVEL 7:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 6 / Rogue 1)
Skills Ranks Raised: Disable Device +0.5 (7), 
Open Lock +0.5 (7), Search +0.5 (7), UMD +0.5 (7)
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LEVEL 8:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 7 / Rogue 1)
Abilities Raised: STR: 18
Skills Ranks Raised: Disable Device +0.5 (7.5), 
Open Lock +0.5 (7.5), Search +0.5 (7.5), UMD +0.5 (7.5)
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LEVEL 9:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 8 / Rogue 1)
Skills Ranks Raised: Disable Device +0.5 (8), 
Open Lock +0.5 (8), Search +0.5 (8), UMD +0.5 (8)
Feats Selected: Improved Critical (Slashing)
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LEVEL 10:
Class Selected: Rogue (Paladin 8 / Rogue 2)
Skills Ranks Raised: Disable Device +2 (10), 
Open Lock +4 (12), Search +2 (10), UMD +2 (10)
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LEVEL 11:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 9 / Rogue 2)
Skills Ranks Raised: Disable Device +0.5 (10.5), 
Open Lock +0.5 (12.5), Search +0.5 (10.5), UMD +0.5 (10.5)
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LEVEL 12:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 10 / Rogue 2)
Abilities Raised: STR: 19
Skills Ranks Raised: Disable Device +0.5 (11),
Open Lock +0.5 (13), Search +0.5 (11), UMD +0.5 (11)
Feats Selected: Improved Two-Handed Fighting
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LEVEL 13:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 11 / Rogue 2)
Skills Ranks Raised: Disable Device +0.5 (11.5), 
Open Lock +0.5 (13.5), Search +0.5 (11.5), UMD +0.5 (11.5)
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LEVEL 14:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 12 / Rogue 2)
Skills Ranks Raised: Disable Device +0.5 (12),
Open Lock +0.5 (14), Search +0.5 (12), UMD +0.5 (12)
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LEVEL 15:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 13 / Rogue 2)
Skills Ranks Raised: Disable Device +0.5 (12.5), 
Open Lock +0.5 (14.5), Search +0.5 (12.5), UMD +0.5 (12.5)
Feats Selected: Greater Two-Handed Fighting
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LEVEL 16:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 14 / Rogue 2)
Abilities Raised: STR: 20
Skills Ranks Raised: Disable Device +0.5 (13),
Open Lock +0.5 (15), Search +0.5 (13), UMD +0.5 (13)
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LEVEL 17:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 15 / Rogue 2)
Skills Ranks Raised: Disable Device +0.5 (13.5), 
Open Lock +0.5 (15.5), Search +0.5 (13.5), UMD +0.5 (13.5)
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LEVEL 18:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 16 / Rogue 2)
Skills Ranks Raised: Disable Device +0.5 (14),
Open Lock +0.5 (16), Search +0.5 (14), UMD +0.5 (14)
Feats Selected: Stunning Blow
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LEVEL 19:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 17 / Rogue 2)
Skills Ranks Raised: Disable Device +0.5 (14.5), 
Open Lock +0.5 (16.5), Search +0.5 (14.5), UMD +0.5 (14.5)
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LEVEL 20:
Class Selected: Paladin (Paladin 18 / Rogue 2)
Abilities Raised: STR: 21
Skills Ranks Raised: Disable Device +0.5 (15),
Open Lock +0.5 (17), Search +0.5 (15), UMD +0.5 (15)
Stats at End of Level 20:
HP:274 SP:230 AC:10 FORT:17 REFL:12 WILL:10 BAB:+19/+19/+24/+29
STR:21(+5) DEX:8(-1) CON:14(+2) INT:12(+1) WIS:10(0) CHA:16(+3)
Balance:3, Bluff:3, Concentration:2, Diplomacy:3, Disable Device:16, 
Haggle:3, Heal:0, Hide:2, Intimidate:3, Jump:9, Listen:4, 
Move Silently:2, Open Lock:16, Perform: n/a, Repair:1, 
Search:16, Spot:4, Swim:5, Tumble:1, UMD:18

MacR

[Hobgoblin]

not bad.

some things i thing you should be aware of -


I would consider knocking down your cha down a tad (you get a +2 tome for hitting 1750 favor)

That would let you raise your dex/str/con for better open skills/damage/hp respectivly

In your enhancments, i would strongly recommend taking either the defender of siberys prestige. But! the other side of this is that for survivablity, the hunter of the damned is attractive as well - especially for a first lifer with little resources. The healling amp is good along with immunity to neg levels and ghost touch on everything you wield. Stay away from knight of the chalice.

The third thing that i would recommend - drop extend and all 3 thf feats. Look up twitching and use it. This lets you pick up emp heal/empower, maximize, shield mastery, and improved sunder. Combined with healing amp, that is some good self healing right there.


some things to think about
hob

[yawumpus]

I would listen to Junts first.

I would also recommend keeping extend (if not the THF feats). Zeal and other buffs are just too short. Empowered healing might be great, but I wouldn't put on maximize.

Hopefully paladins will get a much needed buff in July.

[Ralmeth]

Paladins get very few skill points per level, and to be a successful trapper you need lots of skill points. IMHO, just two levels of Rogue won't do it if you want Paladin as your primary class. Also, Paladin's best abilities come at levels 18 (i.e. tier 3 prestige) and level 20 (capstone). As a result, unfortunately being a Paladin and a Trapper do not mix well because of this. I think you should pick either being a good Paladin, or a good trapper. If you want to melee and do traps as well, then consider playing a Ranger. They got lots of skill points per level and Ranger/Rogue mixes work well.

[Phidius]

You can leave your "Open Lock" skill at 4 ranks, and put those extra skill points into Search/Disable Device. 4 ranks and a starting Dex of 8 will allow you to get every non-epic lock in the game provided that you keep your gear and tools at the highest level you can use.

And I only say "non-epic" because I haven't tried all of those.

[MacRighteous]

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MacRighteous DoGoodish
Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(18 Paladin \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 324
Spell Points: 270 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 13
Will: 11

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 21                   22
Dexterity             8                  8                    8
Constitution         14                 14                   14
Intelligence         12                 12                   12
Wisdom               10                 10                   10
Charisma             16                 16                   18

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               3                  3                    3
Bluff                 3                  4                    4
Concentration         2                  2                    2
Diplomacy             3                  4                    4
Disable Device        5                 19                   19
Haggle                3                  4                    4
Heal                  0                  0                    0
Hide                  3                  3                    3
Intimidate            3                  4                    4
Jump                  7                 10                   10
Listen                3                  3                    3
Move Silently         3                  3                    3
Open Lock             3                  5                    5
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                  2                    2
Search                5                 19                   19
Spot                  4                  4                    4
Swim                  3                  6                    6
Tumble                0                  0                    0
Use Magic Device      7                 23                   23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+3)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I


Level 2 (Paladin)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I


Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Bless
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds
Spell (1): Divine Favor
Spell (1): Lesser Restoration
Spell (1): Lionheart
Spell (1): Protection From Evil
Spell (1): Resistance
Spell (1): Seek Eternal Rest
Spell (1): Virtue
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II


Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I


Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning I


Level 9 (Paladin)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Spell (2): Angelskin
Spell (2): Bull's Strength
Spell (2): Eagle's Spendor
Spell (2): Owl's Wisdom
Spell (2): Remove Paralysis
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II


Level 10 (Paladin)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II


Level 13 (Paladin)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Spell (3): Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (3): Dispel Magic
Spell (3): Magic Circle Against Evil
Spell (3): Prayer
Spell (3): Remove Blindness
Spell (3): Remove Curse
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II


Level 14 (Paladin)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II


Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Spell (4): Break Enchantment
Spell (4): Cure Serious Wounds
Spell (4): Death Ward
Spell (4): Holy Sword
Spell (4): Neutralize Poison
Spell (4): Restoration
Spell (4): Stalwart Pact
Spell (4): Zeal
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV


Level 17 (Paladin)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite III


Level 18 (Paladin)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III


Level 19 (Paladin)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning II


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III

MacR

[Hobgoblin]

I dont see much change.

my suggestion is lose knight of the chalice

hob

[Quetzacoala]

Read the guide that Junts wrote about creating a paladin.

Then, when you are done reading it, read it again.

After this, carefully dissect the paper and write a summary of the most important aspects of his post.

[Pape_27]

One thing i would recommend if you want to go with this mix is to take the first two rogue levels right at the start.

You maximize your rogue skills right out of the gate instead of getting half ranks after level 1. In addition, you can get evasion at that point as well. Just doesnt make sense to go 9p/1r.

[Hobgoblin]

One thing i would recommend if you want to go with this mix is to take the first two rogue levels right at the start.

You maximize your rogue skills right out of the gate instead of getting half ranks after level 1. In addition, you can get evasion at that point as well. Just doesnt make sense to go 9p/1r.

you can still put full ranks in after you unlock them just takes double the cost

hob

[Pape_27]

you can still put full ranks in after you unlock them just takes double the cost

hob

thats not the point.

at lower levels you may not have access to the best of gear and tools. Having those skills maxxed out can make a big difference.

[Phemt81]

Wisdom 10 is absolutely useless, put 8 and use the extra points in con or str

[daniel7]

"My goals are a THF soloing toon with traps and lock skills"

Take maximize spell so you can better heal yourself. HotD for more healing amp. Human recovery but probably just 2 tiers because it's expensive.

Drop stunning blow. Stunning blow is great on the right build but this isn't one of them, your DC will be too low.

Extend spell is helpful, especially at lower levels. Some paladins will pick quicken instead which in your case might be a good idea if you plan on soloing hard quests.

[MacRighteous]

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(18 Paladin \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 334
Spell Points: 270 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 15
Will: 12

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 20                   21
Dexterity             8                  8                    8
Constitution         16                 16                   16
Intelligence         12                 12                   12
Wisdom                8                  8                    8
Charisma             15                 16                   18

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               3                  4                    4
Bluff                 2                  4                    4
Concentration         3                  3                    3
Diplomacy             2                  4                    4
Disable Device        5                 17                   17
Haggle                2                  4                    4
Heal                 -1                 -1                   -1
Hide                  3                  4                    4
Intimidate            2                  4                    4
Jump                  7                 10                   10
Listen                1                  3                    3
Move Silently         1                  1                    1
Open Lock             3                  4                    4
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                3                  3                    3
Search                5                 18                   18
Spot                  3                  4                    4
Swim                  3                  5                    5
Tumble                1                  1                    1
Use Magic Device      6                 21                   21

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Repair (+2)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Spell (1): Bless
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds
Spell (1): Divine Favor
Spell (1): Lesser Restoration
Spell (1): Lionheart
Spell (1): Protection From Evil
Spell (1): Resistance
Spell (1): Seek Eternal Rest
Spell (1): Virtue


Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Spell (2): Angelskin
Spell (2): Bull's Strength
Spell (2): Eagle's Spendor
Spell (2): Owl's Wisdom
Spell (2): Remove Paralysis
Spell (2): Resist Energy


Level 11 (Paladin)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Spell (3): Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (3): Dispel Magic
Spell (3): Magic Circle Against Evil
Spell (3): Prayer
Spell (3): Remove Blindness
Spell (3): Remove Curse


Level 14 (Paladin)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Spell (4): Break Enchantment
Spell (4): Cure Serious Wounds
Spell (4): Death Ward
Spell (4): Holy Sword
Spell (4): Neutralize Poison
Spell (4): Restoration
Spell (4): Stalwart Pact
Spell (4): Zeal


Level 17 (Paladin)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 19 (Paladin)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CHA
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Some of the enhancements I will drop or add (Rouge Skill Boost - etc) as needed but the basic line up is:

Enhancement: Paladin Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Paladin Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead I
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead II
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning III
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning II
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning III

Thanks for all the advice - even if it appears that I have not taken it directly know that I have gave it a lot of thought and consideration - all of your suggestions have help me understand trades and balancing a little better and I appreciate the input - some of this I'm just gonna have to play and succeed or fail - thankfully there are lots of servers and as a premium with 4 slots and 4th and 7th veteran benefit I can try out different things before I commit to my main build- thanks again

MacR

[daniel7]

Your build looks solid! Keep in mind that divine might is a lot of DPS. To qualify for DM3 you need a charisma of 18 and DM4 you need a charisma of 20. Tomes count for the requirement. Charisma 20 isn't realistic yet, but if you could get a charisma of 16 and use a +2 tome(your 1750 favor tome then you can get DM3. You could lower your constitution by 1 point if you choose to do so. Either way it looks good though. Enjoy the build