Why must children frustrate me so?

[Varashad]

/Rant on

This morning I logged onto my gimpy little level 8 wizard with 140 hp and 760ish sp. I planned on having a quick, easy solo of the Pit, until I remembered the ooze down at the bottom was immune to my spells. I promptly make an lfm, post it as "IP, BYOH, know the quest" and went to work. After two minutes, I have three players in my party. I provide ship buffs which they graciously take, and then enter. Not thirty seconds after they enter, I hear a ding. Then another. Annnnd a third.

I am immediately bombarded in party chat. I realize they all fell into the lava, and I facepalm in frustration. They start begging for me to come and raise them so they can get loot. I promptly inform them that they were supposed to know the quest, and therefore not fall off into oblivion thirty seconds in. They beg, offering me millions of plat, turbine points, and other magnificent prizes for me to save them. I decline and go on to finish the quest. One of them decides to be a hero and cake. He didn't last long due to the lava and oozes. More pleading.

Then, another person joins, a level 8 cleric. He enters right away, and quickly revives my hope in randoms by joining me promptly, supplementing my CSW pots with his own healing, and offering spell + melee DPS. Towards the end of the quest, he reveals to me that the players in question are his little brother, and two of his friends, and asks if I could wait while he goes to save them. We debate a bit, with me arguing that them losing loot is a good lesson for joining an LFM they're not qualified for. I agree to raise them at the end of the quest. He accepts this, and we finish with ease.

I head downstairs, grab the dead, and dimension door back to the entrance, feather fall down to the shrine, and they all raise. Not two seconds later, one of them jumped off the ledge and fell back down to the bottom... and died. His buddies at least let the cleric heal them before they did this as well. The cleric and I floated down, and he scrolled one of them to life, then healed them. The three kids promptly broke their weapons on the oozes, and begged for heals, haste, rage, displacement, and other buffs in party chat. I ignored their pleas and let their kind relative baby sit.

For the ooze, I did hage and displace them while the pummeled the boss with their fists. The cleric used some light spell, his radiant bursts, and wands to heal the kids, who after nearly a minute killed it. I looted a Muck's Doom, my first one ever, and recalled, only to be assaulted by tells begging me to give one of them the Muck's Doom, after all I didn't need it. I dropped party, friended the cleric, and then logged off.

My rant is about kids. Children. If you're too young to read a parties LFM, you're too young to play this game. If you're too young to understand the other people play this game for fun, not to be your buff and heal bot, you're too young to play. If you're BAD at this game, and unwilling to listen to advice, you don't need to play.

/rant off

[Zyerz]

I havent run into any children lately... Although I don't mind them at all, because I know things like these happen often with young kids. But then again, I rarely join pugs anymore, I either solo, or run with my guild. I've had the worst pug experiences lately.... *sigh*

Edit: Adults also do these sort of things... Hence me joining pugs less and less and running with my guild. Although I have been in some really cool pugs with awesome players.

[Memnir]

It's not about age, I've seen and heard grown adults act/play in the exact same manner. Sadly, maturity is not simply bestowed with age. If you PUG, you have to take what you get, the good and the bad alike.



Congrats on the Muckdoom, tho.

[madmaxhunter]

Lighten up Francis,

I've been in those quests before, you just gotta laugh at the experience, made a decent story afterall.

In fact I once saw an LFM up asking to be saved, kid died in lava... The Pit of course. he had been abandoned by the rest of the party. I was bored, joined, dropped down and rezzed him. He went to get the chest, missed a jump and died again (was just a raise dead and he didn't think to pot up his hp). Rezzed him again, there was only trash in Muck's chest anyway. He told me thanks a dozen times. I felt I did my good deed for the day.

Edit: and to your question. Kid's are frustrating because your elders taught them to be. Revenge for all the times you frustrated them whilst you were a child.

[SSFWEl]

Hmm.
I have 2 sons who play.

One is a fantastic FvS healer and he is now also lvling up a bard. 13 yo. np.

One is almost 10, and it is very hard for him to read (bad case of dyslexia) but he has a lvl 20 sorc and is now working on lvling up his TRd fighter into a monk. Slowly, because he is mostly PUGing and it's not easy for him to read the LFMs - first life we leveled up mostly together.

But he has me to help him and guide him. I taught him how to be polite, how to recognize a PUG he should leave (e.g. foul language - actually not that common, surprisingly), how to ask nicely to "share please" and "what house is this in?" and what the heck BYOH mean. Voice lets him play this game. (Oh so next time you get a share please and what house, it might be that the person just can't read because of a disability!)
The Game has actually matured him.

And btw, seriously? You expect to open an Pit LFM and get a "quick and easy Pit?" =p
And BYOH is not understood by a lot of people, especially kids, who do indeed also play the game. Not all kids have gamer fathers. (Or mothers, I am all for PC...)

[Noopleh]

Hmm.
I have 2 sons who play.

One is a fantastic FvS healer and he is now also lvling up a bard. 13 yo. np.

One is almost 10, and it is very hard for him to read (bad case of dyslexia) but he has a lvl 20 sorc and is now working on lvling up his TRd fighter into a monk. Slowly, because he is mostly PUGing and it's not easy for him to read the LFMs - first life we leveled up mostly together.

But he has me to help him and guide him. I taught him how to be polite, how to recognize a PUG he should leave (e.g. foul language - actually not that common, surprisingly), how to ask nicely to "share please" and "what house is this in?" and what the heck BYOH mean. Voice lets him play this game. (Oh so next time you get a share please and what house, it might be that the person just can't read because of a disability!)
The Game has actually matured him.

And btw, seriously? You expect to open an Pit LFM and get a "quick and easy Pit?" =p
And BYOH is not understood by a lot of people, especially kids, who do indeed also play the game. Not all kids have gamer fathers. (Or mothers, I am all for PC...)

If you are on Orien, I know who your son is and its always nice playing with his fvs

Yes I had bad experience with kids too. Joined a delirium elite and had those 2 kids moanimg and hitching the whole quest. I was actually considering recalling and dropping out

[Quarterling]

I"m just wondering something; the cleric seemed to help you out a bit, but you friended him? For you, is adding somebody to your friends list a good or bad thing? Because I know for most of us it's a bad thing.

[Hogdog76]

This thread reminds me of a time when I was in a chrono elite loot run once and a 12 year old kid was in the raid. Before it started he was talking nonsense like kids do and I thought, "oh boy this will be interesting". Sure enough, right from the get go he took off running away from the group and abruptly died. After a few more deaths and some scolding from one of the adults, the sugar rush wore off, he stayed with the group, and he turned out alright.

If you have kids you'll probably recognize the theme of this story to similar real life situations with raising kids.

[Solmage]

I"m just wondering something; the cleric seemed to help you out a bit, but you friended him? For you, is adding somebody to your friends list a good or bad thing? Because I know for most of us it's a bad thing.

When I read it, I got the impression it was a good thing. It made me shrug, and wonder, wow, someone actually uses friends lists for friends. Strange. (Too bad that providing a Persona-non-Grata tab is beyond Turbine's coding prowess for 6 years now)

As for kids, I'm not a babysitter. If the parent's are nearby and helping the kids, that's wonderful. If I swear because something happens or I make a mistake, too bad. This isn't rated to be a kid's game, and they'll hear a lot worse in school.

However, if the kid's competent, and the very odd expletive (not cursing like a sailor type thing, just the usual damnitall and whatnot) does not forever sully his existence, then I'm ok with them being in my party.

[Varashad]

I"m just wondering something; the cleric seemed to help you out a bit, but you friended him? For you, is adding somebody to your friends list a good or bad thing? Because I know for most of us it's a bad thing.

Never heard of people using their friends list as a black list before. I add people so I can contact them in a hurry if I need a solid player who can pull their weight.

EDIT: Why as my OP moderated by a mod? What did I say that needed to be modded?

[zarthak]

i understand ur pain man im kid(13) but i know how to play iv got a 4rth life toon and 3rd life toon then i TR.. then i get to the harbor and get bombarded by 8 year olds saying help i can kill a kolbold!!! yeah its frustrating but i agree some times of a disability its normal right? but when theres no disability it makes u wana solo everything

[pezuwarrior]

I honestly don't think this is just an issue with children.
I happen to be a 'kid' myself and find that it's more of a human issue than an age issue.

But +1 from me!

[twiliteslayer02]

should have told them to res out, then booted em as sooon as they did. u could a bought a hireling and had better luck than that.