Please help with my 2nd life build!

[M113k7262]

Cleric 20
Shordtie Skwirt
Male Halfling - True Neutral
BUILD ID: 17587


PAST LIVES SELECTED:
Paladin (1)

LEVEL 1
Race Selected: Male Halfling
Alignment Selected: True Neutral
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 1)
Abilities Raised: STR: 10, DEX: 14, CON: 12, INT: 10, WIS: 16, CHA: 16
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +4 (4), Heal +4 (4)
Feats Selected: Empower Healing Spell
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Divine Vitality I, Cleric Extra Turning I, Cleric Energy of the Zealot I, Cleric Life Magic I
Automatic Feats Granted: Past Life (Paladin), Attack, Heroic Durability, Sneak, Halfling Agility, Halfling Bravery, Halfling Keen Ears, Halfling Luck, Halfling Size Bonus, Halfling Thrown Weapon Focus, Magical Training, Turn Undead, Simple Weapons, Shield Proficiency (General), Light Armor Proficiency, Medium Armor Proficiency, Heavy Armor Proficiency

LEVEL 2
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 2)
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +1 (5), Heal +1 (5)
Enhancements Selected: Improved Concentration I, Improved Heal I
Automatic Feats Granted: Defensive Fighting, Sunder, Trip

LEVEL 3
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 3)
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +1 (6), Heal +1 (6)
Feats Selected: Least Dragonmark of Healing
Tomes Applied: STR: +1, DEX: +1, CON: +1, INT: +1, WIS: +1, CHA: +1
Enhancements Selected: Extra Dragonmark Use I, Cleric Prayer of Life I, Jorasco Healing I

LEVEL 4
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 4)
Abilities Raised: WIS: 18
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +1 (7), Heal +1 (7)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Wisdom I, Improved Heal II, Improved Concentration II, Cleric Life Magic II

LEVEL 5
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 5)
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +1 (8), Heal +1 (8)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I, Cleric Improved Turning I, Cleric Extra Turning II

LEVEL 6
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 6)
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +1 (9), Heal +1 (9)
Feats Selected: Lesser Dragonmark of Healing
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Radiant Servant I, Jorasco Healing II

LEVEL 7
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 7)
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +1 (10), Heal +1 (10)
Tomes Applied: STR: +2, DEX: +2, CON: +2, INT: +2, WIS: +2, CHA: +2
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Divine Vitality II, Extra Dragonmark Use II

LEVEL 8
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 8)
Abilities Raised: WIS: 21
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (0.5), Concentration +1 (11), Heal +1 (11)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Prayer of Life II, Cleric Energy of the Zealot II

LEVEL 9
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 9)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (1), Concentration +1 (12), Heal +1 (12)
Feats Selected: Greater Dragonmark of Healing
Enhancements Selected: Follower of the Sovereign Host, Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II

LEVEL 10
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 10)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (1.5), Concentration +1 (13), Heal +1 (13)
Enhancements Selected: Unyielding Sovereignty

LEVEL 11
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 11)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (2), Concentration +1 (14), Heal +1 (14)
Enhancements Selected: Extra Dragonmark Use III, Jorasco Healing III

LEVEL 12
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 12)
Abilities Raised: WIS: 22
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (2.5), Concentration +1 (15), Heal +1 (15)
Feats Selected: Past Life (Soldier of the Faith)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Radiant Servant II, Cleric Improved Turning II

LEVEL 13
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 13)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (3), Concentration +1 (16), Heal +1 (16)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Life Magic III, Jorasco Healing IV

LEVEL 14
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 14)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (3.5), Concentration +1 (17), Heal +1 (17)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Life Magic IV

LEVEL 15
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 15)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (4), Concentration +1 (18), Heal +1 (18)
Feats Selected: Improved Turning
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Prayer of Life III, Improved Concentration III

LEVEL 16
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 16)
Abilities Raised: WIS: 23
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (4.5), Concentration +1 (19), Heal +1 (19)
Enhancements Selected: Extra Dragonmark Use IV

LEVEL 17
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 17)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (5), Concentration +1 (20), Heal +1 (20)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Extra Turning III, Improved Concentration IV

LEVEL 18
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 18)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (5.5), Concentration +1 (21), Heal +1 (21)
Feats Selected: Extra Turning
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life III, Improved Heal III

LEVEL 19
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 19)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (6), Concentration +1 (22), Heal +1 (22)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Improved Turning III

LEVEL 20
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 20)
Abilities Raised: WIS: 24
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (6.5), Concentration +1 (23), Heal +1 (23)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Divine Intervention, Cleric Divine Vitality III

[Rhysem]

I don't know where to start with everything that's wrong with this. Sorry, no nicer way to put it. I suggest you go look at others builds and then try again. The only worthwhile feat you took was empowered healing. A lot of your enh are more than questionable.

Don't just be a heal bot. I can bring a hireling if all I want is a heal bot.

[PNellesen]

Pretty much agree with Rhysem, but just in case it was a serious effort, some suggestions:

- max WIS, drop/dump DEX, bump CON (I'd go 14). Maybe drop CHA by 2 and bump STR.

- I usually choose the following feats for a caster: Toughness, Emp. Healing, Empower, Maximize, Quicken. Then maybe Heighten, a spell pen feat, or maybe spell focus feat.

- Enhancements: in general, don't really need the full healing crit lines, your normal healing should be plenty. I'd boost smiting lines, take any toughness enhancements you can, a couple extra TUs, wand/scroll mastery (at least level II, and I sometimes like III).

- Skills: forget about Heal skill, any skill points you put in Heal would be better served in something like Balance.

Take a look in the build forums for cleric builds - many, many well-tested and solid ones out there.

good luck!

[Lalangamena]

ill stick to my advice in other posts:

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...0&postcount=10


also this post must be read carefully by everybody who want to play cleric: (how to roll a cleric that you like)

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...ighlight=Clonk

[firemedium_jt]

I would read that, but read threads on recent builds. This game pretty much changes quarterly, and soon will again with level 25. You should heed the more recent threads on building a Cleric. Nice thing is most changes are for feats and enhancements that are reasonable in game. Lesser Reincarn is even easier if you have lots of DDO points and your time is more expensive than points.

Lots of advice on here on how to play a cleric that will save u aggravation in the game. Gear, weapons, tactics. Even how to deal with PUGs and their newness trying to always blame you for not being a healbot hireling. They do not have a clue about Clerics.

[M113k7262]

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Cleric 20
Male Elf - True Neutral
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PAST LIVES SELECTED:
Paladin (1)
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LEVEL 1
Race Selected: Male Elf
Alignment Selected: True Neutral
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 1)
Abilities Raised: STR: 12, DEX: 12, CON: 12, WIS: 18, CHA: 14
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +4 (4)
Feats Selected: Empower Healing Spell
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Life Magic I, 
Cleric Energy of the Zealot I, Cleric Extra Turning I, 
Cleric Divine Vitality I
Automatic Feats Granted: Past Life (Paladin), 
Attack, Heroic Durability, Sneak, Martial Weapons (Rapier), 
Martial Weapons (Longsword), Martial Weapons (Longbow), 
Martial Weapons (Shortbow), Elven Keen Senses, Enchantment Save Bonus, 
Immunity to Sleep, Magical Training, Turn Undead, Simple Weapons, 
Shield Proficiency (General), Light Armor Proficiency, 
Medium Armor Proficiency, Heavy Armor Proficiency
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LEVEL 2:
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 2)
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +1 (5)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Wisdom I, Improved Heal I, 
Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Automatic Feats Granted: Defensive Fighting, Sunder, Trip
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LEVEL 3:
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 3)
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +1 (6)
Feats Selected: Empower Spell
Tomes Applied: STR: +1, DEX: +1, CON: +1, INT: +1, 
WIS: +1, CHA: +1
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Prayer of Life I, 
Follower of the Undying Court
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LEVEL 4:
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 4)
Abilities Raised: WIS: 21
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +1 (7)
Enhancements Selected: Improved Heal II, Cleric Life Magic II, 
Cleric Extra Turning II
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LEVEL 5:
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 5)
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +1 (8)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Improved Turning I, 
Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I, Cleric Divine Vitality II
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LEVEL 6:
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 6)
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +1 (9)
Feats Selected: Maximize Spell
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Radiant Servant I
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LEVEL 7:
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 7)
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +1 (10)
Tomes Applied: STR: +2, DEX: +2, CON: +2, INT: +2, 
WIS: +2, CHA: +2
Enhancements Selected: Undying Call
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LEVEL 8:
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 8)
Abilities Raised: WIS: 23
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (0.5), Concentration +1 (11)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Wisdom II
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LEVEL 9:
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 9)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (1), Concentration +1 (12)
Feats Selected: Extra Turning
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Extra Turning III
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LEVEL 10:
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 10)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (1.5), Concentration +1 (13)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Extra Turning IV
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LEVEL 11:
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 11)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (2), Concentration +1 (14)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Life Magic III, 
Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II
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LEVEL 12:
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 12)
Abilities Raised: WIS: 25
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (2.5), Concentration +1 (15)
Feats Selected: Past Life (Soldier of the Faith)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Radiant Servant II, 
Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
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LEVEL 13:
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 13)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (3), Concentration +1 (16)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Life Magic IV
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LEVEL 14:
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 14)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (3.5), Concentration +1 (17)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Divine Vitality III
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LEVEL 15:
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 15)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (4), Concentration +1 (18)
Feats Selected: Extend Spell
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Prayer of Life II, 
Cleric Prayer of Life III
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LEVEL 16:
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 16)
Abilities Raised: WIS: 26
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (4.5), Concentration +1 (19)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
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LEVEL 17:
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 17)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (5), Concentration +1 (20)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III, 
Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery III
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LEVEL 18:
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 18)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (5.5), Concentration +1 (21)
Feats Selected: Quicken Spell
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV
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LEVEL 19:
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 19)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +0.5 (6), Concentration +1 (22)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery IV
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LEVEL 20:
Class Selected: Cleric (Cleric 20)
Abilities Raised: WIS: 27
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +1 (23), Heal +1 (1)
Enhancements Selected: Cleric Divine Intervention, 
Improved Concentration I, Improved Concentration II
Stats at End of Level 20:
HP:220 SP:1547 AC:12 FORT:14 REFL:8 WILL:20 BAB:+15/+15/+20/+25
STR:14(+2) DEX:14(+2) CON:14(+2) INT:10(0) WIS:27(+8) CHA:16(+3)
Balance:8, Bluff:3, Concentration:27, Diplomacy:3, 
Disable Device: n/a, Haggle:3, Heal:13, Hide:2, Intimidate:3, 
Jump:2, Listen:10, Move Silently:2, Open Lock: n/a, 
Perform: n/a, Repair:0, Search:2, Spot:10, Swim:2, 
Tumble: n/a, UMD: n/a

[PNellesen]

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I would suggest trying to fit in the Toughness feat, and then the 2 Toughness enhancements (more HP is good). On a non-human cleric, I personally like to take Toughness at level 1, then Empower Heal at level 3, then Maximize at 6 (primarily for Radiant Servant I bursts), then the other feats whenever they make sense for the build.

I would also try to get CON to 14 if at all possible, maybe by dropping CHA and DEX a little more. Turn Undeads regenerate every 2 minutes once you get Radiant Servant, so you don't need a huge number of them to be effective (10 is usually plenty for me, though with buffs and items you can raise that by another 4 or so...)

[hiryuu42]

Extend is most useful in early levels, when buffs are shortest. I would say Extend, Toughness, and Empower Healing should be, in that order, the three first feats on a Cleric. You can swap Extend out for Empower later, once your buffs last from shrine to shrine without issue. As PNellesen said, I have 10 TU on my capped Cleric, and don't find that much of a limit. I certainly wouldn't spend a feat to get more.

Clerics will never get anything of value from Dex. Just dump it. By that same token, Elf and Halfling are flavor builds. Human and Dwarf are probably the best fit (or Helf if you have it). More Con is a good investment.

You haven't really said what you want from this build. Some light damage enhancements would also be nice to see. Divine Punishment and searing light damage almost everything in the game, with no save or spell resistance.

[M113k7262]

Actually, I play a Paladin (Shordtie Skwirt) at this time. In the group I run with (a bunch of 2nd and 3rd lifers) I am weak in fighting, but I keep them alive and do healing and keep their stats and levels corrected. I usually die when I get into battle, but if I sit back and just heal I make it through every quest. So, I figured, since I am nothing but a glorified healer for the group, why not do it right next life and be a healer outright. I like the halfling build for the dragonmarks but I also like the Elf because of the Raise Dead at level 6. Humans get an extra beginning feat, and dwarves extra spell points, and I don't know what drows, Half-Elves or Half-Orcs would bring to the class either. I just started playing again in February. I hadn't been playing since November 2010. I do my own gear crafting so that isn't going to be in question. I'm just not sure, with everything being almost new to me, what I should look at as far as how to build a 'Healbot' to run with my group.

[daniel7]

Since you don't seem to want to do melee I wouldn't put points into strength, dexterity or intelligence. Don't spend 3 points on charisma so around 14 charisma.
Go Human for more wisdom and get a constitution score of 14.
Max out wisdom.
Take Empower healing for Radiant Savant.
Take maximize for BB and DP.
Heighten is nice for command and instant death spells which should all be useful until Amrath.
Take toughness, spend a few AP on it also.
Human Recovery 1-2.

Now you are set up for healing and offensive casting.

[daniel7]

Actually, I play a Paladin (Shordtie Skwirt) at this time. In the group I run with (a bunch of 2nd and 3rd lifers) I am weak in fighting, but I keep them alive and do healing and keep their stats and levels corrected. I usually die when I get into battle, but if I sit back and just heal I make it through every quest. So, I figured, since I am nothing but a glorified healer for the group, why not do it right next life and be a healer outright. I like the halfling build for the dragonmarks but I also like the Elf because of the Raise Dead at level 6. Humans get an extra beginning feat, and dwarves extra spell points, and I don't know what drows, Half-Elves or Half-Orcs would bring to the class either. I just started playing again in February. I hadn't been playing since November 2010. I do my own gear crafting so that isn't going to be in question. I'm just not sure, with everything being almost new to me, what I should look at as far as how to build a 'Healbot' to run with my group.

Well if you want to give melee another try a clonk is an easy way to get high AC. 2mnk/18clr or some variant. I'm level 11 on mine and my AC is high and he is strength based. Make a dex based clonk and you will be unstoppable. Add stunning fist for more CC and DPS.

[PNellesen]

I'm just not sure, with everything being almost new to me, what I should look at as far as how to build a 'Healbot' to run with my group.

Clerics can be SOOO much more than just "Healbots". If you're just starting out, being a healbot is ok, but soon (very soon) you'll get bored stiff with it. When that happens, please consult the "Path to Enlightenment" thread by the great Samulas: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=202343. (There should be a link to this in the character creation page. If you select "Cleric", you can't go any further until you read that thread )

[Matuse]

Hard to go wrong with points in Jump. No more than 10 (and frequently only need 6-8), but you definitely want more than 0.

Jump is a key skill for all classes.

[daniel7]

Honestly if you kept your party alive healing as a paladin then any build with 12 levels of cleric will do that better.

[hiryuu42]

Actually, I play a Paladin (Shordtie Skwirt) at this time. In the group I run with (a bunch of 2nd and 3rd lifers) I am weak in fighting, but I keep them alive and do healing and keep their stats and levels corrected. I usually die when I get into battle, but if I sit back and just heal I make it through every quest.

Your Paladin is running into a severe gear issue. Some build issues, too (I can't even tell where your 4/8/12 stat bonuses went). Between your TR friends and crafting, you should have no issue acquiring...
+6 STR
+6 CON
+6 CHA
Heavy Fortification
Toughness item
Greater False Life
Superior Devotion
Better Power/Wizardry something
Attack +2 (Battle Skill) or +4 (Accuracy)
Resistance +4 or more (you don't need each save separate)
Paralyzing weapon

Unless you're Coyle, hiding in a corner until the threat passes is not the most useful battle strategy. Running with TRs, you probably don't want or need to lead the charge, but should have no problem putting your axe through some skulls.

[M113k7262]

Your Paladin is running into a severe gear issue. Some build issues, too (I can't even tell where your 4/8/12 stat bonuses went). Between your TR friends and crafting, you should have no issue acquiring...
+6 STR
+6 CON
+6 CHA
Heavy Fortification
Toughness item
Greater False Life
Superior Devotion
Better Power/Wizardry something
Attack +2 (Battle Skill) or +4 (Accuracy)
Resistance +4 or more (you don't need each save separate)
Paralyzing weapon

Unless you're Coyle, hiding in a corner until the threat passes is not the most useful battle strategy. Running with TRs, you probably don't want or need to lead the charge, but should have no problem putting your axe through some skulls.

If we were running quests I knew, or quests on less than Elite, I would have an easy time doing damage and keeping up. Mostly we run everything on elite, we go in together then break up the party. I usually follow and help the person I can keep up with. I have a +20% run item and still have trouble keeping up. Let's put it this way, I'm learning very quickly what gear I need and what I am looking to make/buy/find.

[daniel7]

If we were running quests I knew, or quests on less than Elite, I would have an easy time doing damage and keeping up. Mostly we run everything on elite, we go in together then break up the party. I usually follow and help the person I can keep up with. I have a +20% run item and still have trouble keeping up. Let's put it this way, I'm learning very quickly what gear I need and what I am looking to make/buy/find.

You are currently level 15 right? Here are some suggestions for loot to aim for for this life and the next.

Lordsmarch Plaza quests - level 13 gear
-upgraded gloves, helmet, ring
-armors are nice, some ml 8

Orchard - level 14
-Minos Helm
-electric haze
-ice cloak
-boots of ash

Reaver Refuge - level 16 gear
- Dragon Touch armor

Amrath - level 18
- Any GFL con 6 belt
- various belts with clickies

[Micki]

I just wanna say one thing. Don't be a healbot. I have met players in the game who have made their clerics to be only healer and buffer. Be more than that. The cleric is probably the most versatile char in the game and you get a lot of spells. I'd say offensive caster is the way to go, and clonk gives you more survivability (the cleric's low saves can be a problem)

I have a blast with my cleric running around killing things while I keep an eye on the party's health bars. Of course there are times when you have to heal bot, but a lot of times you can do close to as much damage as the arcanes.

My Thazara is party buffer, healer (I also pack a lot of scrolls and wands) and offensive caster with melee fallback. As long as a tank is keeping aggro, I can stand on the side of battle and throw offensives and heals.

And btw. if your party is leaving you behind, you don't need to heal them.