A small observation about Grease and timing...

[squishwizzy]

You know, someone dropping Grease and causing people to fall down (or even die) is funny once or maybe even twice in a farming run.

It really stops being funny when you're dropping it every 10 seconds, all throughout the quest, through multiple runs. In fact, it's a lot like a kid retelling a variation of the same knock-knock joke every 5 minutes, on a three-day trip to Disneyworld.

Trust me, it places you comedic timing on the same equivalency as that of Bob Dole.

That is, unless, you think your toon can solo the boss, which it is clear it can't. In fact, it was REALLY clear you couldn't.

And here's a hint: when the entire party disbands and reforms without you being included, you've just been placed on 5 different people's squelch lists.

[Galeria]

Somebody really thinks they are a but it's really more like this

[squishwizzy]

Ummm...yep.

"What's the matter, can't cast any spells?"

Guffaw, guffaw, guffaw...you said that two minutes ago. Prior to that you said it five minutes ago.

Yeah, it's a real knee-slapper.

[mobrien316]

... through multiple runs. ...

I won't boot anyone from a party unless I feel they are intentionally griefing me. Continually casting Grease counts as griefing in my book.

He would have been booted after the first run.

[Teraz]

That's when you tell him..."hope you can self heal because we're not healing you and if you die your soul stone is not gonna make it anywhere near a shrine."

[squishwizzy]

I won't boot anyone from a party unless I feel they are intentionally griefing me. Continually casting Grease counts as griefing in my book.

He would have been booted after the first run.

I joined mid-way through one quest, and he started on me when caught up. I figured after that run he had gotten it out of his system...obviously not. The second run he started doing it again, and at one point me and another guy just stood there while he cast Grease over and over again. I basically told him, "no problem. I can just stand here all night and go nowhere. Not a big deal."

After that second run, I decided to bolt after the boss fight. I figured he was running with his buddies, and he was doing that th impress the girls or something...who the he** knows? Obviosuly I wasn't the only person thinking this.

Then later I found out he had done it in the run prior to the one I joined. Why they kept him around I don't really know.

Which only solidifies my desire for a Scarlet Letter option to tag people whom you never want to run with again. A nice little scarlet letter in the LFM that shows that someone you consider a doorknob is in that group.








Maybe I'll start a petition drive...?

[sheepface]

That sounds like the funniest thing ever

[BacardiSpecialist]

You know, someone dropping Grease and causing people to fall down (or even die) is funny once or maybe even twice in a farming run.

It really stops being funny when you're dropping it every 10 seconds, all throughout the quest, through multiple runs. In fact, it's a lot like a kid retelling a variation of the same knock-knock joke every 5 minutes, on a three-day trip to Disneyworld.

Trust me, it places you comedic timing on the same equivalency as that of Bob Dole.

That is, unless, you think your toon can solo the boss, which it is clear it can't. In fact, it was REALLY clear you couldn't.

And here's a hint: when the entire party disbands and reforms without you being included, you've just been placed on 5 different people's squelch lists.

Metaaaaaa?

[Blackmoors]

Whats the problem with Grease...? This young kids dont understand good music...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6tcW6GOBwU

[MownDown]

Metaaaaaa?

god i wish it was me that did that... then again i could have probably soloed said boss unlike the greaser in question.... and koopa i have to agree, while he is calling for scarlet letters to be emblazoned upon known griefers he has put a huge KICK ME sign on his back... go go toon names in sigs!

[squishwizzy]

god i wish it was me that did that... then again i could have probably soloed said boss unlike the greaser in question.... and koopa i have to agree, while he is calling for scarlet letters to be emblazoned upon known griefers he has put a huge KICK ME sign on his back... go go toon names in sigs!

Wow.

Funny you should mention this.

So, I'm in the crafting hall, and I see a former guildie from a previous guild I was in. We got to exchanging tells, and at the end of the conversation, I tell my former guildie to avoid the person in question (Grease-boy).

He then goes on to tell me that the person in question was once a member of his guild, and that they promoted him, at one point, to an officer. Once this guy became officer, he just started randomly booting people out of the guild...for no appearent reason other than he thought it was funny just to do it. It took them a while to find out about this, and when they did, they purged him from their ranks.

However, I'm sure the guys who were unexplicably, and unceremoniously booted weren't "laughing" about this incident.

Now the guy telling me this story, I've run with a lot in the past. He's a pretty straight-up guy. No drama. None of that. Pretty helpful. So when he tells me this kind of stuff, I'm fairly inclined to believe him.

A couple of the guys in the party I mentioned in the OP were, again, no drama types. I've run with them before. Decent people.

But, according to you, I'm the problem because I want to "Scarlet Letter" people. Yeah, Ok. Whatever. Says more about you than me.

And yeah, do us both a favor: let's not run with each other. Think of it as my own self-imposed Scarlet Letter. Thanks.





Oh yeah, and one last note: the individual in question; you know, Grease-boy? If I recall correctly, he's now in another guild. So, whomever took him in: the joke is eventually going to be on you...

[Vanquishedfo]

OP I do sympathize with your annoyance. However the reasoning behind why some say having the ability to single out and condemn others is bad is so simple it shouldnt really need to be explained. You had the choice the moment the first grease landed to leave if that spell so greatly offends you. To be fair the spell is a valid choice tactically, and one of the few spells players can use to properly allow casters to reprimand disrespectful men of the mundane professions.

One of the archmage branches get the spell as an SLA, implying the devs certainly dont see regular use of the spell as griefing, the fact enemy AI use it frequently tripping thier own, something even frewbs fresh off korthos learn after running a few quests with tin doggies, osgoods basement being a fun early one.

there is now even an easy to earn item in the house C challenges that will grant immunity to slippery surfaces so I personally am now enjoying using spells like grease and icestorm not only for thier full tactical ability but with impunity. On teams that complain I direct them to the same boots I wear, no differently then so many others have done to me when I only wear mod fort instead of full, or happen to have a 20 res item still rather then a 30 point one on a given character still. The motto in DDO has for a long time been "grind out X item" if such an item exist to make one immune to a given effect its each players personal responsability to possess that item at the min lvl asap. Learn to play is I believe what the so called hard core elite crowed would say.

[squishwizzy]

OP I do sympathize with your annoyance. However the reasoning behind why some say having the ability to single out and condemn others is bad is so simple it shouldnt really need to be explained. You had the choice the moment the first grease landed to leave if that spell so greatly offends you. To be fair the spell is a valid choice tactically, and one of the few spells players can use to properly allow casters to reprimand disrespectful men of the mundane professions.

One of the archmage branches get the spell as an SLA, implying the devs certainly dont see regular use of the spell as griefing, the fact enemy AI use it frequently tripping thier own, something even frewbs fresh off korthos learn after running a few quests with tin doggies, osgoods basement being a fun early one.

there is now even an easy to earn item in the house C challenges that will grant immunity to slippery surfaces so I personally am now enjoying using spells like grease and icestorm not only for thier full tactical ability but with impunity. On teams that complain I direct them to the same boots I wear, no differently then so many others have done to me when I only wear mod fort instead of full, or happen to have a 20 res item still rather then a 30 point one on a given character still. The motto in DDO has for a long time been "grind out X item" if such an item exist to make one immune to a given effect its each players personal responsability to possess that item at the min lvl asap. Learn to play is I believe what the so called hard core elite crowed would say.

As I explained, I figured in the first run it was a joke gone bad, and by the second run the person in question would have "gotten it out of his system." He didn't, obviously.

Secondly, I'm generally not the type of guy who dumps out in the middle of a quest because someone is being a dill-hole. There are other people who are not dill-holes trying to finish a quest, and it is unfair to leave them in a lurch because there's one dill-hole in the group that think's he's the reincarnation of (insert famous dead comic here). Usually, as was the case here, we were ALL working around the dill-hole, and when the run ended we rectified the problem.

Yeah, I've had to deal with the nit-pickers on some quests. Usually that starts up-front before you walk into the quest, and that's the time you leave - not during. There's probably only a handful that I've bailed on in the past that were "IP", and those were so far gone that me leaving wasn't going to make any difference.

FOM provides Grease immunity, and on the last run with this guy, the cleric was passing it out the first chance we had after a shrine. What was funnier was that Grease-boy didn't understand why his grease spells weren't affecting us anymore...

The random guild banishments, however, is just plain nasty. Guilds get bad reputations (at least those that care about their reputations) because of that kind of nonsense, and people have to run around trying to patch things up with former members in order to minimize the damage.

What's sadder is that there are a couple of people here who a) think that kind of stuff is OK, and b) will probably do the same thing to me should they get a chance to run with me because they get off on that kind of stuff.

Their lives must be, indeed, fascinating.

[squishwizzy]

Oh, and I'd also like to point out that Grease ain't so effective on mobs when it's being cast under me, and I'm dotting the mobs who are all gatheed all the way on the other side of the room.

If you think it is, we need to have a little discussion about the varying definitions of "area of effect"...

[Llewndyn]

You know, someone dropping Grease and causing people to fall down (or even die) is funny once or maybe even twice in a farming run.

It really stops being funny when you're dropping it every 10 seconds, all throughout the quest, through multiple runs. In fact, it's a lot like a kid retelling a variation of the same knock-knock joke every 5 minutes, on a three-day trip to Disneyworld.

Trust me, it places you comedic timing on the same equivalency as that of Bob Dole.

That is, unless, you think your toon can solo the boss, which it is clear it can't. In fact, it was REALLY clear you couldn't.

And here's a hint: when the entire party disbands and reforms without you being included, you've just been placed on 5 different people's squelch lists.

He's been squelched by most of the bigger guilds and/ or well known vets, and he does it ALL the time. It would be one thing if he was a kid, but I have heard him talking over voice chat and know he's a grown up...well, not mentally, but for legal purposes.

I saw he TRed (he had a lfm up asking for a free Heart of Wood, guess he got it) and had a LFM up for Korthos so newbies could audition to join his guild... I almost sent everyone I saw in his group a tell letting them know they were in for an unpleasant experience since they were running with one of the most blacklisted *****ers this side of Xendrik, but they will figure it out on their own....

I'd ask you to PM name so I knew we were talking about the same person, but we all know we are....sad, really....

[Llewndyn]

OP I do sympathize with your annoyance. However the reasoning behind why some say having the ability to single out and condemn others is bad is so simple it shouldnt really need to be explained. You had the choice the moment the first grease landed to leave if that spell so greatly offends you. To be fair the spell is a valid choice tactically, and one of the few spells players can use to properly allow casters to reprimand disrespectful men of the mundane professions.

One of the archmage branches get the spell as an SLA, implying the devs certainly dont see regular use of the spell as griefing, the fact enemy AI use it frequently tripping thier own, something even frewbs fresh off korthos learn after running a few quests with tin doggies, osgoods basement being a fun early one.

there is now even an easy to earn item in the house C challenges that will grant immunity to slippery surfaces so I personally am now enjoying using spells like grease and icestorm not only for thier full tactical ability but with impunity. On teams that complain I direct them to the same boots I wear, no differently then so many others have done to me when I only wear mod fort instead of full, or happen to have a 20 res item still rather then a 30 point one on a given character still. The motto in DDO has for a long time been "grind out X item" if such an item exist to make one immune to a given effect its each players personal responsability to possess that item at the min lvl asap. Learn to play is I believe what the so called hard core elite crowed would say.

There's so many holes in this logic it's mind boggling. Telling people they need to farm an item to overcome your shortcomings in social situations is not a viable answer. I now believe you are either F*******, the one I'm sure we are all talking about, or someone who is impressed by such shenanigans. That is sad, really. Please note the characters in my sig and never run with them. EVER. While I have never thought grease was funny in ANY situation, I'm sure it has it's merits. What you are doing, and what the bard in question was doing, is using it as a griefing tool. The devs allow bards and sorcs to cast otto's irresistable dance and flesh to stone and all manner of stuff that can then be used to grief people... and your answer to that is... farm rare items? I don't log into the game with the explicit idea that "Today instead of levelling up or getting a Torc I need to go get a PLIS and some boots and also *insert other random item* so I don't get griefed by my own party members". Go play WOW. If you're not who we are talking about I will pay your subscription to go play it if you take him with you.

[fco-karatekid]

I'll grant it's annoying and lame; but a fireball clicky would make the whole thing better, I'd think.

[varusso]

I joined mid-way through one quest, and he started on me when caught up. I figured after that run he had gotten it out of his system...obviously not. The second run he started doing it again, and at one point me and another guy just stood there while he cast Grease over and over again. I basically told him, "no problem. I can just stand here all night and go nowhere. Not a big deal."

After that second run, I decided to bolt after the boss fight. I figured he was running with his buddies, and he was doing that th impress the girls or something...who the he** knows? Obviosuly I wasn't the only person thinking this.

Then later I found out he had done it in the run prior to the one I joined. Why they kept him around I don't really know.

Which only solidifies my desire for a Scarlet Letter option to tag people whom you never want to run with again. A nice little scarlet letter in the LFM that shows that someone you consider a doorknob is in that group.








Maybe I'll start a petition drive...?

I would sign it. Greasing everyone/sleet storm in the middle of a boss fight/Kormor's Belt-dancing the tank/DDoor on the chest, etc. are all hilarious and perfectly fine -- when you are knowingly in that type of run. Or even occasionally when you are with guildies/static group/friends and everyone likes a good malicious "gotcha" type of prank. Repeatedly in random pugs? Not funny at all.

There are only a handful of reasons I would add a player to my permanent DNG list -- and I tend to recognize every toon name I have ever added -- but when they make my list, I *DO NOT* want to be in a group with them, period. And that means the player,not the toon. Gimme an account-based brand while you are at it. I dont need to know who their other toons are. All I need to know is that they are associated with an account run by a player that I dont want to interact with.

[Burtle]

I use grease as a "FOM" check...