Wowo's Best Pure Rogue Build

[Baldred]

Thank you for the Advise Wax_on_wax_off. I TR'ed last night, speccing my character based on your recommendations. I did have to switch the feat order a little, as I couldn't take Precision without meeting the prereq requirement for BAB of 1 or higher. Although this path may be a little more difficult to level, I am hoping that it will really shine in Epics.
Thank you again!

[Ebforest60]

I have a Halfling Rogue with a Rogue PL and I'm trying to figure out if Weapon Finesse or Precision will benefit me more (just hit level 21.) I really like that epic Sneak Attack feat so dex investment with Int level ups (Assassin of course) seems the way to go, but SA doesn't matter if I can't hit!

So far I'm thinking:

1) toughness 3) precision/finesse 6)PL-SoS 9/12/15) 2weapon/imp/greater 18) improved crit 21) imp SA

I suppose I could put off improved SA and take both precision and finesse...thoughts?

[wax_on_wax_off]

I have a Halfling Rogue with a Rogue PL and I'm trying to figure out if Weapon Finesse or Precision will benefit me more (just hit level 21.) I really like that epic Sneak Attack feat so dex investment with Int level ups (Assassin of course) seems the way to go, but SA doesn't matter if I can't hit!

So far I'm thinking:

1) toughness 3) precision/finesse 6)PL-SoS 9/12/15) 2weapon/imp/greater 18) improved crit 21) imp SA

I suppose I could put off improved SA and take both precision and finesse...thoughts?

With level ups into int I'd say Precision and really stack on the AB gear to make up for it.

[wax_on_wax_off]

Did my best to update for U14 for level 25. Haven't fully digested the new gear so will have to come back to that. Interesting to note that a pure rogue can put out 675 sneak attack damage/second before weapon damage is even taken into account.

Primary changes:

• More dexterity for ISA
• Swapped to Rapier as primary weapon for the 3% doublestrike from shadowdancer

Not sure on the exact layout for Shadowdancer, would like to fit and 2 points of intelligence but quite a few good enhancements to get.

Always happy to take advice on adjustments to perfect this build.

[Bartholamew]

Is ISA takeable twice? I had read it didn't stack. I'm trying to decide whether to bump my con for epic toughness and if ISA is stackable it would be a nonissue.

Edit: i'd be a 34 point build with one past life (rogue) and considering starting stats: 16 dex 16 int 16 con 12 str 8/8. +3 all stats tome, 2 bumps into dex 2 bumps into con for feat prereqs. I'd love to have the 36 point build for a 14 strength of course, but is this optimal given a 34 point build? Without the 2nd improved SA feat it seems like eToughness is the ideal choice, though the loss of an assassinate dc is a factor.

[wax_on_wax_off]

Is ISA takeable twice? I had read it didn't stack. I'm trying to decide whether to bump my con for epic toughness and if ISA is stackable it would be a nonissue.

Edit: i'd be a 34 point build with one past life (rogue) and considering starting stats: 16 dex 16 int 16 con 12 str 8/8. +3 all stats tome, 2 bumps into dex 2 bumps into con for feat prereqs. I'd love to have the 36 point build for a 14 strength of course, but is this optimal given a 34 point build? Without the 2nd improved SA feat it seems like eToughness is the ideal choice, though the loss of an assassinate dc is a factor.

Currently ISA isn't multi pickable and it's unclear if even the first feat works at all. It is supposed to be multi pickable so if you're prepared to LR out the extra build points in con if it gets fixed then epic toughness seems decent.

Losing Int is an issue though, I'd be maxing that as much as possible if you want to play epic elite.

[Bartholamew]

Currently ISA isn't multi pickable and it's unclear if even the first feat works at all. It is supposed to be multi pickable so if you're prepared to LR out the extra build points in con if it gets fixed then epic toughness seems decent.

Losing Int is an issue though, I'd be maxing that as much as possible if you want to play epic elite.

My problem is with the current build I'm planning I'd need 2 of my 6 level bumps to be in con to meet the 21 prereq, in addition to 2 points going into dex for the 21. That leaves only 2 points for int vs 4. I could drop strength down to 8... but with no finesse, 8 strength seems really abysmal.

[wax_on_wax_off]

My problem is with the current build I'm planning I'd need 2 of my 6 level bumps to be in con to meet the 21 prereq, in addition to 2 points going into dex for the 21. That leaves only 2 points for int vs 4. I could drop strength down to 8... but with no finesse, 8 strength seems really abysmal.

Doesn't seem worth it then. 14 base strength, 16 base dex +2 levels +3 to dex, 15 base con, 16 base int+4 levels seems the way to go.

[RS-Makk]

Swapped to Rapier as primary weapon for the 3% doublestrike from shadowdancer
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You find no to hit issues with two rapiers, or would rapier + short sword be better in general?

[wax_on_wax_off]

You find no to hit issues with two rapiers, or would rapier + short sword be better in general?

-2 AB is a to-hit issue, it just depends on what gear you have and what foe you're fighting. In general rapier mainhand/epic midnight greetings offhand.

[InfraRiot]

First of all thanks for a nice build and advice across the boards in general. Have been taking ideas from your builds for quite some time already.

Secondly with such a high int wouldn't insightful reflexes offer more than another imp. SA and if it isn't multipickable then definitely insightful reflexes?

[wax_on_wax_off]

First of all thanks for a nice build and advice across the boards in general. Have been taking ideas from your builds for quite some time already.

Secondly with such a high int wouldn't insightful reflexes offer more than another imp. SA and if it isn't multipickable then definitely insightful reflexes?

I'd be inclined towards Epic Toughness first. ISA has been confirmed as not multi pickable so I'll have to update the build.