Failed Normal Shroud...

[maha0201]

Good luck Maha, I can "smell" your guest star characters coming a mile away ;-)

*fix'd in DarkOrchid


But luckily for people of Thelanis i only bring my special guest star character to do shroud with thalone

[foxom1]

we've got to get you your OWN catchphrase Maha

[maha0201]

we've got to get you your OWN catchphrase Maha

Well I'm being your catchphrase only in Legion and/or your runs

[XL_Jockey]

If you're capped and don't have at least 400hp on your toon it's not unreasonable to boot someone. If you don't know enough to make a worthwhile toon why should the leader think that you know enough to contribute to the party. 400 is simple to get with any decent build and minimal gear(toughness, GFL, a couple points spent into enhancements and a starting con over 13).

Very true. I wasn't capped and didn't have a CON item equipped. It certainly got me thinking though, so I made some adjustments to gear/enhancements and was sitting over 450 later that night. If he said "Hey, I know this is your first time healing Shroud, but what's with the low HP?" I would've seen that I didn't have my CON item on and that would've made at least a 54hp difference. But, as a healer in normal Shroud, 350 should be plenty unless it was your first Shroud ever.

Either way, now I'm sitting at 522 (no GS HP) with a plan to hit 587 once I cap my melee TR and can focus on my healer's equipment again. Until then this is plenty to heal any raid on Normal if the guild needs him.

[Ivan_Milic]

if they're good i already know them. 'nuff said

So you know all players who are good?

[Nouda_EU]

If you're capped and don't have at least 400hp on your toon it's not unreasonable to boot someone. If you don't know enough to make a worthwhile toon why should the leader think that you know enough to contribute to the party. 400 is simple to get with any decent build and minimal gear(toughness, GFL, a couple points spent into enhancements and a starting con over 13).

hmmz
i dont think this is fair

level 20 pally
14 base con check
toughness check
toughness item check
Draqconic vitality check
maxed toughness enhancement check
+7 Con item +3 tome
hp total 472

Level 20 monk
14 base check
toughness check
maxed toughness enhancments check
gfl check
toughness item check
Draqconic vitality check
+6 con item + 1 exceptional con item +3 con tome
hp total 407

Level 20 fight (total 806 hp outliers so not included)

Level 20 bard
14 base check
toughness check
maxed toughness enhancments check
gfl check
toughness item check
Draqconic vitality check
+6 con item + 3 exceptional con item +2 con tome
gs hp item
total 407


hp total 407

So I think you suggest that 400hp is easy to get with just those things you listed is a bit well unenlightened of you I've listed that my toons have all the requirements you ask for and sometimes more (epic/shroud/tod/+3 tomes) and still only jsut scrap 400 or are under it .


Level 20 ranger
15 base check
toughness check
maxed toughness enhancments check
gfl check
toughness item check
Draqconic vitality check
+6 con item +1 con tome
hp total 382

Level 20 Sorc
14 base check
toughness check
maxed toughness enhancements check
gfl check
Draconic vitalit check
+6 cont item
+2 tome
hp total 312


Level 20 arty
14 base check
toughness check
Toughness item check
maxed toughness enhancments check
Shroud hp item
draconic vitality check
+6 con item
total hp 377


for 400 id say you need

14 base
toughness
Toughness item
maxed toughness enhancments
GFL
Shroud hp item
draconic vitality
+6 con item
+2 tome

expecting some one to have a shroud hp item to run the shroud is sort of an onxymoron no?

[Nouda_EU]

30 heroic dura
160 d8 class
100 (20 con) (14 base +6 item)
30 gfl
21 toughness
20 toughness enhancments (max 2 racial for elf/halfling/drow)

361 total


30 heroic dura
120 d6 class
100 (20 con) (14 base +6 item)
30 gfl
21 toughness
20 toughness enhancments (max 2 racial for elf/halfling/drow)
321 total

30 heroic dura
200 d10 class
100 (20 con) (14 base +6 item)
30 gfl
21 toughness
20 toughness enhancments (max 2 racial for elf/halfling/drow)
21 toughness item

411 total


so dispite doing everyting you asked 2/3 these toons still fall a long way short of your 400 hp requirement

(ofc paladins/monks/figther/barbs have access to class toughness enhancements and you would expect meles to take these)

(wizards and monks have access to con stances so if Hp are lacking you would expect they would use these)

Now if you were to say i expect a minimum of 400 for epic thats fine

nb im not saying that i would accept a load of 250 hp toons into shroud because i i wouldnt when im grumpy i decline allsorts of people for silly reasons "i dont like drow" "they have a silly name" "i just dont like the look of them" just to say that to expect 400 hp from some one in shroud is reasonable is well silly!

[Nouda_EU]

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[HungarianRhapsody]

So you know all players who are good?

It depends on what time of day they're on. Daytime is a sufficiently limited pool of players that I actually do know 90+% of the good players.

[Rawrargh]

30 heroic dura
80 d8 class
160 (20 con) (14 base +6 item +3 tome +3 expectional)
30 gfl
21 toughness
20 toughness enhancments (max 2 racial for elf/halfling/drow)
21 toughness item
10 Draconic Vitality
45 tier 3 shourd hp item

417 total (needs ToD & Shroud gear to run shroud & GH Elites)


30 heroic dura
60 d6 class
160 (20 con) (14 base +6 item +3 tome +3 excpetional (tod/GS))
40 sfl
21 toughness
20 toughness enhancments (max 2 racial for elf/halfling/drow)
21 toughness item
10 Draconic Vitality
45 tier 3 shourd hp item

407 total (needs epics & ToD & Shroud gear to run shroud & GH Elites)

30 heroic dura
100 d10 class
120 (20 con) (14 base +6 item +2 tome )
30 gfl
21 toughness
20 toughness enhancments (max 2 racial for elf/halfling/drow)
21 toughness item
10 Draconic Vitality
45 tier 3 shourd hp item

407 total (needs Shroud gear to run shroud & GH Elites)


(ofc paladins/monks/figther/barbs have access to class toughness enhancements and you would expect meles to take these)

(wizards and monks have access to con stances so if Hp are lacking you would expect they would use these)

Now if you were to say i expect a minimum of 400 for epic thats fine

nb im not saying that i would accept a load of 250 hp toons into shroud because i i wouldnt when im grumpy i decline allsorts of people for silly reasons "i dont like drow" "they have a silly name" "i just dont like the look of them" just to say that to expect 400 hp from some one in shroud is reasonable is well silly!

Just going to point out that a d8 class gets 160 hp at 20, d4 class get 80 hp at 20 and d10 get's 200 hp at 20, so your math is wrong in all your HP breakdowns...
However I do agree that 400 HP as a requirement for an entry-level raid on normal is pushing it.

[Nouda_EU]

Just going to point out that a d8 class gets 160 hp at 20, d4 class get 80 hp at 20 and d10 get's 200 hp at 20, so your math is wrong in all your HP breakdowns...
However I do agree that 400 HP as a requirement for an entry-level raid on normal is pushing it.

lolz oh yeah clearly my maths is stuck in 2006 (level 10 cap)

[maha0201]

30 heroic dura
160 d8 class
100 (20 con) (14 base +6 item)
30 gfl
23 toughness
20 toughness enhancments (max 2 racial for elf/halfling/drow)

363 total


30 heroic dura
120 d6 class
100 (20 con) (14 base +6 item)
30 gfl
23 toughness
20 toughness enhancments (max 2 racial for elf/halfling/drow)
323 total

30 heroic dura
200 d10 class
100 (20 con) (14 base +6 item)
30 gfl
23 toughness
20 toughness enhancments (max 2 racial for elf/halfling/drow)
20 toughness item

413 total

Fix'd toughness is 3 +1 for each level past level 1
Toughness item is 20 hp

so dispite doing everyting you asked 2/3 these toons still fall a long way short of your 400 hp requirement

(ofc paladins/monks/figther/barbs have access to class toughness enhancements and you would expect meles to take these)

(wizards and monks have access to con stances so if Hp are lacking you would expect they would use these)

Now if you were to say i expect a minimum of 400 for epic thats fine

nb im not saying that i would accept a load of 250 hp toons into shroud because i i wouldnt when im grumpy i decline allsorts of people for silly reasons "i dont like drow" "they have a silly name" "i just dont like the look of them" just to say that to expect 400 hp from some one in shroud is reasonable is well silly!

You have no idea how much lately i saw hero / legend build that had more or same hp as mine 1st lifer / not geared at all characters. Really 400 hp WF FS with 2100 sps that joins for eDQ1 ? Would you trust same to heal shroud ?

I was in group other day on my barbarian, we had 2 cleric - 1 guildie pure, one friend ( support ) clonk, and WF FS, we had 2 rogs with 350 hp - that is with ship buffs. Someone in group started to yank we should go hard since we have 2 healers - I'm720 Hp rust/iron/wood ball without hp item and rage so i don't care, asked both heals if they want to do hard both said w/e, so i went in hard, part 1 was ok, part 2 was fast, part 3 was bit slow on solving, tho i volunteered to break crystals if needed. Part 4 was fuuuun it was 3 rounder, 1 rogue died 1st round, 2nd died 2nd round. That WF FS was outside healing and both Cleric and Clonk were doting, and melee harry. I was bit frustrated to see WF FS without PrE, not melee on harry but shield blocking and using Cove dagger
Part 5 now fun part, you know that 350 hp rogues well now 1 turned to 299 hp one , since it was hard it wasn't so hard to predict ending...

Sum up: 1cleric ( which someone passed to him ), 1 major clonk, 2major WF FS
Mine nerves: priceless

For everything else there is Master Shroud

I wont pug any more raids on diff higher than norm, and ill squelch all people that i don't know, which are trying to pull a smart move on me.

Edit:
I said 1 year ago and i repeat it now Devils assault and Vale are new harbor, just now people can't recall and reenter to get completion instead there is small % of possibility to fail raid.
Say no to pugging

[grgurius]

Well i recon one elite shroud i did with guild, i was on mine 770 hp pally monk, and we had 350 hp AA ranger in group that i didn't like cause of hp.
I died pt 4 and ranger survived - guildies poked me
Pt 5 ranger died 5 time i died 1ce at end when blades got me and casters finished harry with dots

Cmon Mmaha, i was leading that one and i remeber you dieing once in p4 and once in p5. That ranger died only once in p5, after you if i may add.

Basicly, you can't judge people by hp, i have seen 1k hp barbarians die stupidly, *cough* mmaha , and i have seen 300 hp chars pull of miracles.

Ofc, when you are pugging sometimes its better to go on the safe side, but if its not a raid, i'm not pugging unless i'm certain i can complete it with 5 soulstones in my backpack.

[maha0201]

Cmon Mmaha, i was leading that one and i remeber you dieing once in p4 and once in p5. That ranger died only once in p5, after you if i may add.

Basicly, you can't judge people by hp, i have seen 1k hp paladin die stupidly (well i agree we needed more arcanes in that one bu you had star, and someone had to dps) , *cough* mmaha , and i have seen 300 hp chars pull of miracles. there is no miracle in standing in corner and do ranged dps without sneak attack or pointblank shot proc....

Ofc, when you are pugging sometimes its better to go on the safe side, but if its not a raid, i'm not pugging unless i'm certain i can complete it with 5 soulstones in my backpack.

And i died on harry dpsing, since leader ( you ) didn't say pull out on time, tho i said to call it since i was on low fps

He died more than once pt 5, he got trashed by blades couple of time, i got few delayed blasts and blades on harry Wonder how long would he be alive in pt4 if he did proper dps on harry.

Well if you are going that way i do remember 1 hard shroud few week ago when my ranged dps was able to get harry in only 5 rounds as last melee standing all thanks to cleric who was using healing scrolls on me.

I do recon one shroud when pally died in pt4 before harry was down, some excuse was that he followed monk and didn't see healers were still regaining spell points ( think his name was Nozich, oh wait Greg it was you ) .

[WruntJunior]

In all fairness, using Maha as an example doesn't count. He dies more often than me!

[maha0201]

In all fairness, using Maha as an example doesn't count. He dies more often than me!

my record so far is 5 in 1 run with one special cleric as healer she knows who she is i wont type any names, you must pm for those

[grgurius]

In all fairness, using Maha as an example doesn't count. He dies more often than me!

Death is a traumatic experience, Mmaha suffers from short term memory loss from all the deaths he had. Think we should charge him rent for all the time he spent in our backpacks.

Anyway, just to stay on topic, short recap of the thread: DR breakers - good, dots on harry - good, wail on harry - bad, hp - more the merrier.

[maha0201]

Death is a traumatic experience, Mmaha suffers from long term memory loss from all the deaths he had. Think we should charge him rent for all the time he spent in our backpacks.

Anyway, just to stay on topic, short recap of the thread: DR breakers - good, dots on harry -must, wail on harry - bad, hp - more the merrier.

fix'd

[SiliconScout]

.. sorry wrong thread ..

[MeliCat]

I have a new standard of awesome : insufficient dps in part 2.


BRILLIANT!


People just left in the end. 30 mins in and still not sorted....