Failed Normal Shroud...

[Cyndrome]

Had effectively a part 3 normal wipe on Thelanis a few weeks ago. My lesson learned was to stop being polite when people say they have the puzzle because the "put it in the solver". When the wall came through a 2nd time a wizard panicked, cast DDoor and 2 others followed them.

I am not sure what is going on. A few days ago I had to do both 5X5s the circle and a 3X3. When I finished the last 5X5 I had to run water to it myself.

[Phidius]

I don't know about you guys, but I think it's fun when the wall comes up in part 2.

Especially when there's a bunch of folks standing around in the center.

[Michaelaz2]

Had effectively a part 3 normal wipe on Thelanis a few weeks ago. My lesson learned was to stop being polite when people say they have the puzzle because the "put it in the solver". When the wall came through a 2nd time a wizard panicked, cast DDoor and 2 others followed them.

I remember that, I was in there and just couldnt believe the stupidity, The leader is the one cast DD if not mistaken.

[MartinusWyllt]

I remember that, I was in there and just couldnt believe the stupidity, The leader is the one cast DD if not mistaken.

That's even funnier. I didn't know who did it. Maybe that was who also said they were putting it in the solver after 2 other people had already blown a lot of time trying to "solve" it.

[axel15810]

I had no idea......



3 Wizards.....

My FvS had 30 Kills in part 1....

Center got pulled early in part 2.....

Solved North 5x5 and ran BOTH waters back to it....
3x3 across for the 5x5 couldnt get done... Asked for a Open lock/knock several times.. WHen one finally got there (Seriously thought the wall was about to come up) someone immediatly ran in and put the water in.. Before the Puzzle was done..

Part 4.... sigh... not enough dots.... not enough dps..... Me and Delta were the only ones left standing after 6 or 7 rounds.....

2 people left while Delta and I whittled him down.

Part 5 I was not excited to go into But we gave it a shot....

I drank more pots than I care to admit.... Used more scrolls..... got him down to about 15-20% but in the end, could not sustain healing Delta, Keeping DP up and keeping myself healed.

it was mostly fun....

More Dots Folks.. More Dots.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtvIYRrgZ04

Hey Wreckoning I was on the run with you. I was on my lvl 18 Kensei. I think our melee DPS was ok. I don't have a DR breaker yet on him so I take part of the blame. We should have been completely fine though if the arcanes would have been dotting. I have no idea what they were doing but I saw no dots and some of the wizzies trying to cast wail on harry :/

Sorry that the other healer wasn't prepared with stack of heal scrolls or SP pots. I put as much blame on him as the arcanes. But believe me we would have been completely fine if I was on my cleric healing with you. I'm low on SP pots at the moment but I'm still planning to send you some when I pick up a few.

It was weird for a norm run to wipe like that...but it was just a combination of things. Not many DR breakers on melees, arcanes not dotting and 1 unprepared healer. It's a shame I was on my weakest toon, and a melee at that. Im confident I could have prevented the wipe if I was on one of my casters. And if I was on my cleric I know we would not have wiped. It's rare for all those things to go wrong all at once on a shroud pug...I can't remember the last time I wiped a normal run.

And I was running water as well. And I was in the process of solving the north 4x4 actually but someone jumped in and solved it before I could get it through the solver (I'm not super fast at the puzzles but we were only a minute or so into the 2nd phase). I didn't ask for help btw so not sure why they did that. I think it might have been you but I can't remember. And I pulled the center a little early on part 2 because on normal the trash is never an issue , it just makes the run a little faster. That wasn't an issue though part 2 went fine.

But there were definitely more than 2 people who knew what they were doing. The problem was there were just no other casters besides you who knew what they were doing.

[MysticElaine]

I was in the process of solving the north 4x4 actually but someone jumped in and solved it before I could get it through the solver.

There is no reason to use a solver on a 4x4 because it solves itself. You just start on one end and hit each button that is beneath an unlit one. You also don't have to worry about stepping on buttons farther down.

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So if in the top row the yellow are the lit ones and the white unlit, you would hit the red button. You could walk on any of the blue buttons to get to the red button

[Infant]

Hey Wreckoning I was on the run with you. I was on my lvl 18 Kensei. I think our melee DPS was ok. I don't have a DR breaker yet on him so I take part of the blame. We should have been completely fine though if the arcanes would have been dotting. I have no idea what they were doing but I saw no dots and some of the wizzies trying to cast wail on harry :/

Sorry that the other healer wasn't prepared with stack of heal scrolls or SP pots. I put as much blame on him as the arcanes. But believe me we would have been completely fine if I was on my cleric healing with you. I'm low on SP pots at the moment but I'm still planning to send you some when I pick up a few.

It was weird for a norm run to wipe like that...but it was just a combination of things. Not many DR breakers on melees, arcanes not dotting and 1 unprepared healer. It's a shame I was on my weakest toon, and a melee at that. Im confident I could have prevented the wipe if I was on one of my casters. And if I was on my cleric I know we would not have wiped. It's rare for all those things to go wrong all at once on a shroud pug...I can't remember the last time I wiped a normal run.

And I was running water as well. And I was in the process of solving the north 4x4 actually but someone jumped in and solved it before I could get it through the solver (I'm not super fast at the puzzles but we were only a minute or so into the 2nd phase). I didn't ask for help btw so not sure why they did that. I think it might have been you but I can't remember. And I pulled the center a little early on part 2 because on normal the trash is never an issue , it just makes the run a little faster. That wasn't an issue though part 2 went fine.

But there were definitely more than 2 people who knew what they were doing. The problem was there were just no other casters besides you who knew what they were doing.

unbelievable...

[Judo]

unbelievable...

very believable.

[Thrudh]

There is no reason to use a solver on a 4x4 because it solves itself. You just start on one end and hit each button that is beneath an unlit one. You also don't have to worry about stepping on buttons farther down.

O O O O
O O O O
O O O O
O O O O

So if in the top row the yellow are the lit ones and the white unlit, you would hit the red button. You could walk on any of the blue buttons to get to the red button

Yeah, you don't need a solver for 4x4 or 3x3...

4x4, pick one row to be the "top" row... Hit all buttons in the 2nd row below the unlit buttons in the top row until the top row is all lit up. Then go to the third row, and get all the buttons on the 2nd row lit up. Then the 3rd row, and the puzzle solves itself.

3x3 can actually be done the same way. Get top row lit, then second row... If the 3x3 isn't solved, turn around and go the opposite direction (i.e. the bottom row becomes the top row, solve that top row, then the second row). If it still hasn't solve itself, turn around and go the original direction again.

After, at most, 3 passes... the 3x3 will solve itself using that method.

[MysticElaine]

3x3 can actually be done the same way. Get top row lit, then second row... If the 3x3 isn't solved, turn around and go the opposite direction (i.e. the bottom row becomes the top row, solve that top row, then the second row). If it still hasn't solve itself, turn around and go the original direction again.

After, at most, 3 passes... the 3x3 will solve itself using that method.

I never had tried this before. I memorized 4 rules to solve the 3x3 because they are the same rules to solve a 5x5. I might give it a try sometime.

[Impaqt]

Hey Wreckoning I was on the run with you. I was on my lvl 18 Kensei. I think our melee DPS was ok. I don't have a DR breaker yet on him so I take part of the blame. We should have been completely fine though if the arcanes would have been dotting. I have no idea what they were doing but I saw no dots and some of the wizzies trying to cast wail on harry :/

Theres no good reason not to have a DR breaker for harry at this point in the game. good and Silver is what you need. there are always some on the AH. its pretty easy to make in Cannith crafting as well. if you dont have a crafter, I'm sure you can find someone that can make the shards for you.

Sorry that the other healer wasn't prepared with stack of heal scrolls or SP pots. I put as much blame on him as the arcanes. But believe me we would have been completely fine if I was on my cleric healing with you. I'm low on SP pots at the moment but I'm still planning to send you some when I pick up a few.


It was weird for a norm run to wipe like that...but it was just a combination of things. Not many DR breakers on melees, arcanes not dotting and 1 unprepared healer. It's a shame I was on my weakest toon, and a melee at that. Im confident I could have prevented the wipe if I was on one of my casters. And if I was on my cleric I know we would not have wiped. It's rare for all those things to go wrong all at once on a shroud pug...I can't remember the last time I wiped a normal run.

I've solo healed dozens of normal shrouds. a competent second healer would not of fixed that one.

And I was running water as well. And I was in the process of solving the north 4x4 actually but someone jumped in and solved it before I could get it through the solver (I'm not super fast at the puzzles but we were only a minute or so into the 2nd phase). I didn't ask for help btw so not sure why they did that. I think it might have been you but I can't remember. And I pulled the center a little early on part 2 because on normal the trash is never an issue , it just makes the run a little faster. That wasn't an issue though part 2 went fine.

If I had to solve a 4x4, I would of mentioned that in the op. as mentioned already, they are the easiest to solve because they literally solve themselves.

after that slow part 1, no one had any business "Pulling the center early to save time". Thats generally a decision that is to be made by the party leader... He didnt make ANY decisions at all...

the only reason part 2 went fine is because we pulled the easiest and slowest combination of mobs we possibly could.

But there were definitely more than 2 people who knew what they were doing. The problem was there were just no other casters besides you who knew what they were doing.

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[MorningStarSE]

I`m starting to like the drama over T forums, I should finish to cap my wizzie and my Fvs..

[Gawna]

LOL @ "I don't have DR breakers, but the casters and healers should have been prepared to drink stacks of pots to make up for me!" Double LOL @ "I pulled the center early even though I didn't communicate to anyone that I was doing it and was not directed by the party leader to pull." Triple LOL @ "Someone solved my puzzle while I was bringing up the solver in a 4x4!"

Oh, axel, you are a keeper.

[MartinusWyllt]

Theres no good reason not to have a DR breaker for harry at this point in the game. good and Silver is what you need. there are always some on the AH. its pretty easy to make in Cannith crafting as well. if you dont have a crafter, I'm sure you can find someone that can make the shards for you.
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If he'd give us a toon and weapon-type one of us might even through an unbound silver holy weapon at him.

[Arkat]

Oh Thelanis!

[Inkblack]

I've been asking myself why so many shroud runs are done on normal instead of hard to get the extra chest. Now I know why.

Impaqt, you absolutely had to go into part 5 with pots and scrolls blazing. If you had won, it would have been a story for the ages. It's still a good one anway. Really, 6-7 rounds in part 4 on normal? I didn't think that was possible.

[Gawna]

I've been asking myself why so many shroud runs are done on normal instead of hard to get the extra chest. Now I know why.

Impaqt, you absolutely had to go into part 5 with pots and scrolls blazing. If you had won, it would have been a story for the ages. It's still a good one anway. Really, 6-7 rounds in part 4 on normal? I didn't think that was possible.

Want me to grab my monk and wear +1 Handwraps through the whole thing and show you how it's possible?

[Impaqt]

I've been asking myself why so many shroud runs are done on normal instead of hard to get the extra chest. Now I know why.

Impaqt, you absolutely had to go into part 5 with pots and scrolls blazing. If you had won, it would have been a story for the ages. It's still a good one anway. Really, 6-7 rounds in part 4 on normal? I didn't think that was possible.

I was apprehensive at first. but thought maybe I could muscle us through it.... I rarely use pots so have quite the stack saved up..... figured what the hell, we'll try.

[Ministry]

I only started to run the Shroud again after being AFK for all but a few weeks over the last year, but it has become an anomaly.

We use to solo heal normal shrouds and 2 healers for Hard and Elite. I think I remember 3 fails in total out of hundreds of raids... not including the first one that I went into on day 1 with only 3 people, none of us having any idea what it was about.

I'm reading this is why more people are asking for DR breakers, etc. I guess they made the raid that much tougher while I was gone.

My Cleric and Healing skills are SO far inferior to Impaqts and I use to heal all kinds of groups on that raid with no difficulty.

Now I'm seeing 2 healers going in on Normal and fail... seeing 3 go in on Hard and failing. 3 shrouds yesterday with the same toon, on 3 different groups. The first 2 were horrible. 2 healers on normal and horrible failure, 3 healers on hard and another brutal failure. The 3rd and last attempt of the day was fortunately led by Pink from Bane. 2 VERY solid healers and overall, a well run and solid team... subsequently, a very Easy completion.

Did they change some algorithms?
Did Harry's HPS get increased?
Are the players skills and gear so variable with a range from WOW Horrible to WOW Great? (Once again leading to people asking for "strongs" - that one makes me laugh... or DR breakers, etc..._
Is it the luck of the instance?

All I know is we use to run the shroud on hard and elite all the time. Normal was for very short manned teams or speed runs. Now it's a freakin crapshoot to see if you are going to complete at all.

The only positive correlation I did notice out of all the groups was familiarity. Pink seemed to know a fair amount of the players and a few were from Bane. That group did very well. The first 2 shrouds I was on were led by 1 - Quiet leader and 2 - Antagonistic leader. Neither one of the first 2 runs were led well.

Knowing Impaqt, I know he can lead any raid to completion with even the barest of a compliment of people around him, so for that raid to fail... wow... just wow.... that was one very bad instance / group / variable / algorithm / etc... etc...

I'm still amazed people will pug their healers with the way that raid is going lately... it's like a box of chocolates... some just shouldn't have made it in the box.

[Chai]

Wrong forum. Failing a normal shroud should be in accomplishments, because you actually have to try to fail this raid - especially veteran players who have racked up high completion numbers over the years.