Failed Normal Shroud...

[Impaqt]

I had no idea......



3 Wizards.....

My FvS had 30 Kills in part 1....

Center got pulled early in part 2.....

Solved North 5x5 and ran BOTH waters back to it....
3x3 across for the 5x5 couldnt get done... Asked for a Open lock/knock several times.. WHen one finally got there (Seriously thought the wall was about to come up) someone immediatly ran in and put the water in.. Before the Puzzle was done..

Part 4.... sigh... not enough dots.... not enough dps..... Me and Delta were the only ones left standing after 6 or 7 rounds.....

2 people left while Delta and I whittled him down.

Part 5 I was not excited to go into But we gave it a shot....

I drank more pots than I care to admit.... Used more scrolls..... got him down to about 15-20% but in the end, could not sustain healing Delta, Keeping DP up and keeping myself healed.

it was mostly fun....

More Dots Folks.. More Dots.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtvIYRrgZ04

[Ivan_Milic]

6-7 rounds,that is just wow.

[WruntJunior]

Sounds like fun...you wouldn't believe how many normal shrouds I've seen go into 2-3 rounds with 3-4 arcanes in the group simply due to no DoTs...but 6-7 rounds is "awesome." :P Sounds like you just managed to get the one out of a thousand group.

[akash]

From my experience, 99% of the arcanes in the PUG either don't know the definition of DOTs or they don't know that those spells stack to 3 times.

[gamblorjb]

I think we've all had runs like that before. I had one last week playing as my Barb and during part 2 while I was prepping the troll, my HPs were starting to drop. Had a cleric standing right next to me (we were the only 2 there) so didnt bother to drink pots figuring he would heal me but he just stood there is block mode while I died. Starting using pots too late but figured he would heal me. Then we got to part 4 and we were in the middle fighting, not 1 mass heal came our way with the 2 healers we had. Needless to say we wiped pretty quick. Worst one I've ever run. But, hey it happens.

[Crann]

So it's not just Orien then

On a positive note...we're doing alot better on our Hard runs now, even the occasional victorious elite pug.

You mentioned your kill count in Part one, were the wiz's running with the melees?

I have noticed an increasing trend of the arcanes clearing one portal ahead of the melees, if at all. Is this prevalent on Thelanis as well?

I almost always break ranks on my melee toons now and head to 13/14 because no one seems to go over there anymore and keepers spawn. This is in random pugs, BTW.

[Impaqt]

So it's not just Orien then

On a positive note...we're doing alot better on our Hard runs now, even the occasional victorious elite pug.

You mentioned your kill count in Part one, were the wiz's running with the melees?

I have noticed an increasing trend of the arcanes clearing one portal ahead of the melees, if at all. Is this prevalent on Thelanis as well?

I almost always break ranks on my melee toons now and head to 13/14 because no one seems to go over there anymore and keepers spawn. This is in random pugs, BTW.

I have absolutely no idea what the arcanes were doing in part one. One of them ended up with a similar kill count to me. the other 2 were pointless.

I figured they were DPS builds rather than Instakill... That assumption changes when we had no arcane dps at all in part 4.

I pretty much started heading to the next portal when the current portal was about 75% down. and just cleared.

the leader actually do any leading... A pet peeve of mine..... but its a normal shroud right? no sweat....

Luckily, this is far from a normal occurrence on Thelanis. I literally dont remember the last time I was part of a normal shroud failure. Generally, as long as we have a handful of people that know what they are doing, we can get through it. this one seemed to only have 2.

[yawumpus]

I've pugged way too many Orien shrouds and most of the failures were at part 2. If your players don't understand that the mobs have to be killed roughly simultaneously (or better yet, slowest to fastest), you can expect a fail. I've heard that it gets easier after you kill them, so if you don't call a wipe after a multi-part 2 you can see what a wipe looks like.

Can't say I've seen a wipe on part 3. Of course, once the second rainbow appears, you have to finish it now (oddly enough, I don't think the crystals were attacked to finish it).

[Impaqt]

I've pugged way too many Orien shrouds and most of the failures were at part 2. If your players don't understand that the mobs have to be killed roughly simultaneously (or better yet, slowest to fastest), you can expect a fail. I've heard that it gets easier after you kill them, so if you don't call a wipe after a multi-part 2 you can see what a wipe looks like.

Can't say I've seen a wipe on part 3. Of course, once the second rainbow appears, you have to finish it now (oddly enough, I don't think the crystals were attacked to finish it).

got lucky in part 2... 3 of the slowest + Fire. had plenty of time to get em dotted up and plenty of time to kill the fire once the first three went down.

[Saravis]

I figured they were DPS builds rather than Instakill...

Just want to say that that shouldn't matter at all, DPS works just as well as Instakilling for clearing trash in p1 of Shroud.

In regards to arcanes not understanding DoTs, I find it quite the opposite, its melees who tend not to understand DoTs. I'm amused at how often melees in group will complain that we have too many Divines or too many arcanes and that we need more melee DPS; at which point I remind them: Moar DoTs! Then I've been in cases in p4, where Harry would be nearly dead, but the blades were nearly in. The melee thinking lets just get the job done would continue to beat on him. They would finish the job, but a few of them would die in the process. Its not a big deal, but I would inform them that they should have backed out, the DoTs would have finished him.

[Cryohazard]

Yikes...and I thought I had been in some bad shrouds. I never understood the purpose of an arcane having a full blue bar at the end of pt 4. Which school of magic did they flunk out of?

[Impaqt]

Just want to say that that shouldn't matter at all, DPS works just as well as Instakilling for clearing trash in p1 of Shroud.

I know that... And you know that.... Unfortunately, at least 2 of the three wizards did not.


Anyway, Just did my own Hard Pug Shroud.... 1 Round Part 4.

Faith Restored....

[grgurius]

Faith Restored....

Trust in shroud.

[Havok.cry]

I am honestly ashamed of my fellow wizards. I just wish they would take friendly advice rather than getting offended for "telling them how to play"

[Ivan_Milic]

Worst Shroud ever for me was when we got 2 walls in part 3.

[Captain_Wizbang]

I had no idea......

Damm bro, 2 weeks ago close to the same thing, I was on my SD III though

[DeltaBravo]

I had no idea......



3 Wizards.....

My FvS had 30 Kills in part 1....

Center got pulled early in part 2.....

Solved North 5x5 and ran BOTH waters back to it....
3x3 across for the 5x5 couldnt get done... Asked for a Open lock/knock several times.. WHen one finally got there (Seriously thought the wall was about to come up) someone immediatly ran in and put the water in.. Before the Puzzle was done..

Part 4.... sigh... not enough dots.... not enough dps..... Me and Delta were the only ones left standing after 6 or 7 rounds.....

2 people left while Delta and I whittled him down.

Part 5 I was not excited to go into But we gave it a shot....

I drank more pots than I care to admit.... Used more scrolls..... got him down to about 15-20% but in the end, could not sustain healing Delta, Keeping DP up and keeping myself healed.

it was mostly fun....

More Dots Folks.. More Dots.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtvIYRrgZ04

Just worth saying i was on my intimi tank with little gear yet. wich is why i could not really keep my self up after the LOH was gone. Impackt did a great job in there keeping me alive though..!
It was a sad run however i mean 3 wizards and not one of em really used dots..

[skullzz]

Damm bro, 2 weeks ago close to the same thing, I was on my SD III though

I must say it is sweet my guild is known by outside people.


To impaqt: I feel your pain. It sucks when there is a lag spike and all but 1 caster 1 melee and 1 divine dies in part 4. Especially before dots were introduced.

[MartinusWyllt]

Can't say I've seen a wipe on part 3. Of course, once the second rainbow appears, you have to finish it now (oddly enough, I don't think the crystals were attacked to finish it).

Had effectively a part 3 normal wipe on Thelanis a few weeks ago. My lesson learned was to stop being polite when people say they have the puzzle because the "put it in the solver". When the wall came through a 2nd time a wizard panicked, cast DDoor and 2 others followed them.

[Miow]

ty ty ty for the laugh :P sometimes you cant carry their sorry buts