Best up-to-date pure fighter build?

[sogar3]

Anyone have a link or mind posting the most reliable pure fighter build guide?

EDIT: I forgot to mention that I'm guessing I'm gonna be a 32 point build? 32 point is free right? If so, I'm going with that one.

[sebastianosmith]

Anyone have a link or mind posting the most reliable pure fighter build guide?

EDIT: I forgot to mention that I'm guessing I'm gonna be a 32 point build? 32 point is free right? If so, I'm going with that one.

Fighters haven't changed much in the past three years. Just about any guide you can find is going to be reliable, within reason. DDOWiki has a nice one.

[sogar3]

Fighters haven't changed much in the past three years. Just about any guide you can find is going to be reliable, within reason. DDOWiki has a nice one.

Thanks. I noticed in the guide that there's a 28 point builder tip. Does that mean you have to pay to reach 32 points?

And can I get any opinions on using a human for the two-handed fighter kensei build? It doesn't list humans as one of the recommended races, but I don't wanna be a short, stubby dwarf...

[Gkar]

Thanks. I noticed in the guide that there's a 28 point builder tip. Does that mean you have to pay to reach 32 points?

And can I get any opinions on using a human for the two-handed fighter kensei build? It doesn't list humans as one of the recommended races, but I don't wanna be a short, stubby dwarf...

Humans are decent for any class, but dwarf, wf, and horc are all better. Even helf has some advantages over human.

You start with 28 pt builds, and get 32pt builds on new characters once your first character reaches 1750 favor. Alternatively, you can pay for 32pt builds from the store.

[sogar3]

Humans are decent for any class, but dwarf, wf, and horc are all better. Even helf has some advantages over human.

You start with 28 pt builds, and get 32pt builds on new characters once your first character reaches 1750 favor. Alternatively, you can pay for 32pt builds from the store.

Ah, does that mean I can reach 36 points without paying as well?

[danotmano1998]

Ah, does that mean I can reach 36 points without paying as well?

Yep, you do that by True Ressurrection.
Level to 20, farm 20 epic tokens.
Turn in tokens for a true druidic heart of wood.
Repeat.

Viola!
36 points and no money spent.

(See Here for full and complete details.)

Edit: Not quite as easy as I make it sound. You'll need around 5 million(ish) xp to complete this task.

[sogar3]

Is it recommended that I go 2handed or 2weapon fighting style for a 28 build?

[azrael4h]

I would say 2 handed, since you're short on points, and more importantly you likely lack the ability to support literally double the investment in weapons that TWF takes, as well as likely needing to use at least a +2 DEX tome to qualify for ITWF and GTWF.

Later, if you want to, you can TR or GR into a TWF build.

[Monkey-Boy]

Is it recommended that I go 2handed or 2weapon fighting style for a 28 build?

For a Fighter TWFing is better* but you will need to get your DEX up to a 17 to take the TWFing feats that make this worthwhile. This is typically done with a +2 Tome and a starting DEX of 15. A 28 pointer can go

S: 16
D: 15
C: 15
I: 10 (I guess for a skill point
W: 8
C: 8

Doable but better with 32 points.

Best** race AT THIS TIME is half-elf. The rogue dilly can add a lot of extra damage at cap while the cleric is great so you can hjeal yourself while levelling.







* THFing really needs and Epic SoS to shine. Most of the fighter bonus are 'per swing' and thus work better when you get more swings.

** best is subjective, but this will currently yield the most DPS at end game and survivability while leveling up.

[sogar3]

Thanks, guys. I guess I'm just gonna go for a THF 28 point dwarf build.

Is this link a good guide for one?

http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.asp...opicID=8871947

[PolarisNC]

No major flaws that I can see. Personally, I'd skip Cleave and Great Cleave and get another copy of Toughness and Stunning Blow. Squeeze in some tactics enhancements. (You can respec enhancements every 3 days for a reasonable plat cost. Feel free to play around there.)

[unbongwah]

http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.asp...opicID=8871947

Seems OK, though some changes I would make:

• Base stats 18 / 8 / 18 / 10 / 8 / 6 with skill pts into Intim & Balance & a rank of Tumble.
• True Neutral.
• Drop Power Crit & Shield Mastery (unless you're making a SD); add Imp Sunder & Quick Draw. [Cleave & GC aren't that great, but you can easily afford the feats on a pure Kensai.]
• Delay GWF:S to lvl 16 and SWF:S to lvl 18; move up Stunning Blow to lvl 10 or so.
• Enhs could use some work; I'd drop the Armor Mastery, for one thing. DPS, HPs, some Tactics enhs, and dwarven Spell Defense is where I'd focus APs.

[sogar3]

Seems OK, though some changes I would make:

• Base stats 18 / 8 / 18 / 10 / 8 / 6 with skill pts into Intim & Balance & a rank of Tumble.
• True Neutral.
• Drop Power Crit & Shield Mastery (unless you're making a SD); add Imp Sunder & Quick Draw. [Cleave & GC aren't that great, but you can easily afford the feats on a pure Kensai.]
• Delay GWF:S to lvl 16 and SWF:S to lvl 18; move up Stunning Blow to lvl 10 or so.
• Enhs could use some work; I'd drop the Armor Mastery, for one thing. DPS, HPs, some Tactics enhs, and dwarven Spell Defense is where I'd focus APs.

Oh yeah, didn't even see the shield mastery part. What's the point of taking that perk if you're not gonna use a shield at all? Don't know why it was included in that guide.

And btw, with those attributes that you recommended me, do I just keep adding points into strength only when I level up?

I'm also confused at which skills I should assign my points into when I'm making my character from the guide I posted... I don't know which skills to assign my points to.

EDIT: I noticed in the guide I posted, it says by level 20, my swimming skill should be level 8. I thought swimming was useless. Why would I wanna spend points in it, unless skills naturally increase on their own when you level up?

[unbongwah]

Here's my take on a bog-standard 28-pt dwarven greataxe Kensai:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.12.01
DDO Character Planner Home Page

Level 20 True Neutral Dwarf Female
(20 Fighter) 
Hit Points: 362
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 5
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    26
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         18                    18
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              6                     6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               0                    13
Bluff                -2                     1
Concentration         4                     7
Diplomacy            -2                     1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -2                    -2
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate            2                    24
Jump                  4                     9
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock            n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     2
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  4                     8
Tumble                0                     0
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Brutal Throw
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics I
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics II
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Sunder) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) I
Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Sunder


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Sap
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Fighter Weapon Alacrity
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III
Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III

The must-have feats for this build are: Toughness, Power Atk, Imp Crit Slash, THF/ITHF/GTHF, and WF/WS/GWS/GWF/SWF Slash. That's 11 feats out of 18 total, giving plenty of wiggle room for other feats. I added a mix of tactics (Stunning Blow, Imp Sunder, Sap), Brutal Throw & Quick Draw for those rare occasions you need to make ranged attacks (QD also helps w/Action boosts & weapon swapping), and flavor (Cleave & GC). But, heck, be boring and take a ton of Toughnesses if you prefer. [Will have to rearrange feat order, though, as Toughness is not a ftr bonus feat.]

[sogar3]

Here's my take on a bog-standard 28-pt dwarven greataxe Kensai:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.12.01
DDO Character Planner Home Page

Level 20 True Neutral Dwarf Female
(20 Fighter) 
Hit Points: 362
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 5
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    26
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         18                    18
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              6                     6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               0                    13
Bluff                -2                     1
Concentration         4                     7
Diplomacy            -2                     1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -2                    -2
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate            2                    24
Jump                  4                     9
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock            n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     2
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  4                     8
Tumble                0                     0
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Brutal Throw
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics I
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics II
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Sunder) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) I
Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Sunder


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Sap
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Fighter Weapon Alacrity
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III
Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III

The must-have feats for this build are: Toughness, Power Atk, Imp Crit Slash, THF/ITHF/GTHF, and WF/WS/GWS/GWF/SWF Slash. That's 11 feats out of 18 total, giving plenty of wiggle room for other feats. I added a mix of tactics (Stunning Blow, Imp Sunder, Sap), Brutal Throw & Quick Draw for those rare occasions you need to make ranged attacks (QD also helps w/Action boosts & weapon swapping), and flavor (Cleave & GC). But, heck, be boring and take a ton of Toughnesses if you prefer. [Will have to rearrange feat order, though, as Toughness is not a ftr bonus feat.]

Thanks. I'm still a bit clueless on where to add my points to... so I just added them to jump and intimidate.