12 barb / 6 ranger / 2 fighter

[Kliptic]

Hey I plan to TR into this build, a kopesh barb with AA burst(many shot, slaying arrows ect.). Also this is my TR and will be my first character to 20 when I get there so I'm fairly new to the game. So please critique this build and let me know what are some good changes.

note: I don't have to use kopeshes(20th level feat) so anything other suggestions for that feat would be appreciated too.

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Level 20 True Neutral Half-Elf Male
(2 Fighter \ 12 Barbarian \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 364
Spell Points: 175 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 13
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    24
Dexterity            17                    19
Constitution         16                    19
Intelligence          9                     9
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    14.5
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         3                     4
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  3                     4
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  7                    29
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         3                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  3                     7
Tumble                n/a                  14.5
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 7 (Ranger)


Level 8 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I


Level 10 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 11 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 13 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I


Level 14 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage III
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows


Level 17 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost IV
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage IV


Level 19 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I

[unbongwah]

For comparison, my take on a "bowbarian."

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Level 20 True Neutral Half-Elf Female
(2 Fighter \ 12 Barbarian \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 312
Spell Points: 175 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 14
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             17                    26
Dexterity            17                    20
Constitution         14                    18
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Ranger)


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 7 (Barbarian)


Level 8 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 10 (Barbarian)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Precise Shot


Level 13 (Barbarian)


Level 14 (Barbarian)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Barbarian)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution II
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I

[karl_k0ch]

A friend of mine was considering to do a similar build. He is mainly looking for a Barbarian PL, and doesnt want to play him as a typical barb. In particular, he is not going to go TWF with that toon as he does not want to craft a full range of weaponry twice.

This focussedness on level 18 drove me to the following suggestion: 12 barb/4 ranger/4 fgt. With that you still get a blue bar, but you are not forced to wait to 20 to get IPS, FB 2 and Manyshot.
I have the following class/feat progression in mind, which allows you to be FB II at level 16 to 17.

1 - 4: ranger
5 - 16: Barb
17 - 20: Fighter

and the following feats:
1 Toughness
3 WF: Ranged
6 PL: Sorc (yes, he has that)
9 Point Blank Shot
12 Manyshot
15 Power Attack
17 F Cleave
18 PS
18 F IPS
20 F IC: Ranged,

or alternatively trading Toughness for more dps and earlier feats:

1 WF: Ranged
3 PBS
6 PL: Sorc
9 Manyshot
12 PA
15 Cleave
17 F PS
18 F IPS
18 IC: Ranged
20 Weapon Spec: Ranged

[unbongwah]

A friend of mine was considering to do a similar build. He is mainly looking for a Barbarian PL, and doesnt want to play him as a typical barb. In particular, he is not going to go TWF with that toon as he does not want to craft a full range of weaponry twice.

Does your friend have HEs & artificers? If so, perhaps he could do barb 12 / ftr 6 / arty 2. Start w/rgr dilly, swap for rogue after getting Bow STR. Feats: PBS, WF:R, WS:R, Bow STR, Rapid Shot, Manyshot, IC Ranged, Prec Shot, IPS, PA, Cleave.

So something like this:

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Level 20 True Neutral Half-Elf Female
(6 Fighter \ 12 Barbarian \ 2 Artificer) 
Hit Points: 296
Spell Points: 300 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 11
Will: 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             17                    27
Dexterity            17                    20
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7

Level 1 (Artificer)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Ranger (swap for Rogue after taking Bow Strength)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Rapid Shot


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Precise Shot


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Bow Strength


Level 7 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Manyshot


Level 8 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 10 (Barbarian)


Level 11 (Barbarian)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 13 (Barbarian)


Level 14 (Barbarian)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Barbarian)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II
Enhancement: Kensei Longbow Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Artificer Energy of Creation I
Enhancement: Half-Elf Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Artificer Wand and Scroll Mastery I

Note: the builder doesn't currently acknowledge that Energy of Creation I meets AA pre-req, but I have confirmed it in game; so I had to "fake" out the builder. I backloaded WS:Ranged so I could fit in IPS by lvl 12 & Cleave by lvl 15, but that means delaying Kensai I until lvl 18. So another option would be to take WS:R at lvl 5, Prec Shot at lvl 12, IPS at lvl 15, and Cleave at lvl 18; but that would mean delaying IPS & FB I 3 lvls. Or push IC Ranged back several levels; but that's a decent chunk of ranged DPS right there, esp. if you've got a Silver Longbow and/or Bow of Sinew. I can't think of a way to rearrange feats so you can get everything as early as I would like.

EDIT: I didn't spend skill pts; but UMD is the only one I would care about. On a 34-pt build, you could start STR 18 CON 13 and use enhs to even out CON.

[karl_k0ch]

My friend just made a Lit2 bow, so the Bow progression will be Silver Longbow -> Lit2, probably, since Sinew is ML: 16, iirc.

My friend does have Arty, and Helf (I think), but the downside is the following: He's not going to save a feat with the Artificer's Enhancement since he wants to take the Sorc PL, if I am not mistaken. He has the link for this thread and will probably tell me if I am telling nonsense here.

4 Ranger/4 Fgt gives you 4 and a half feats (Bow Str, Rapid Shot, 3 fighter feats), and a blue bar which with you can get +3 damage.
6 fgt/2 art gives you 4 fighter feats, a blue bar with which you can get +1 damage, the option to save a feat for 1 AP, and UMD. I think it's a close call.

About the rogue dilly: Usually, he will be duoing with another friend, and thus have aggro most of the time. For that particular use of the build, I do not think that Rogue dilly is a particular beneficial idea.