A Bickering Quest : Why are there so few Eldrich ritual recipes ?

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

Hello, everyone,

I was wondering why there are so few Eldritch Ritual recipes out there.

And no, I do *not* mean the various "Altars" !

I do solely mean the Eldritch "Stone Of Change" !

And yes, there are a few - but I have become jealous : The various "Altars" allow so much better things to do ! The Stone Of Change - is it visited by the "elder heroes" at all ? I mean - one can do almost nothing with it, compared to the vast possibilities of the various Altars ! (Invasion, Subjugation, Devastation, Fecundity)

To put it more cynically, the Stone Of Change is a complete waste of space. One can do almost nothing with it, and the few things that can be done with it can be easily transferred to the Altars because no-one of the Newbies uses them anyway, and the Altars are high level player's own domain. Says the cynic in me.

The only really good thing a Stone Of Change can do it binding items to protect them from further damage. But that's it. All other things can be done elsewhere, I think, too.

Well, and maybe this stuff Fred gets.


To make my post more serious : I believe that the Stone Of Change isn't a very much favourable device right now. And not attractive, either. It's nice to have it, but there is only very few things of *real* value one can do with it. Greensteel at least not at all, and the cynic in me adds : Why bother with anything that can't create Greensteel items for me ?
The more serious self answers : Well, you can't get Greensteel everywhere. And it (the green steel) is not F2P either.

I think the problem that the Stone Of Change "sucks" is that DDO is so much gear oriented, and unfortunately this philosophy implies that everything that is not gear-oriented just isn't favourable.

Which means that we need more non-gear-oriented ways to make the Stone Of Change more attractive. It just doesn't have that much attraction as do Greensteel-oriented Altars have right now - and almost everyone wants to have even the tiniest bit of green steel nowadays !

I think that the "Tasty Ham" thing is a good way forwards. It still isn't attractive, because, frankly, it just isn't green steel , but it adds another layer of attractivenes to the Stone Of Change - one that the various Altars don't have. Or are they able to meddle with Ham, too ?

What I believe we need is what marketing calls a "unique selling point". Something that lets Greensteel-oriented Altars look bad, to put it rather cynically.

Another possibility to let the Stone Of Change become more favourable over the various Altars would be to let Adamantine Ore be dropped elsewhere, too. In that mine in Ataraxia as well, for example (if this fits with the world geography).
And, by the way, what has never been explained is what the Dürgar were actually mining for, there ...

What is imho also needed is more non-greensteel-rituals in general.

For example something in which gems can be used, or other collectables, like in Cannith Crafting.

All in all, to sum everything up, I do see the need to make the Stone Of Change more attractive to players.

Because as it is right now, EVERYONE moves on to the Greensteel Altars and forgets that there was once a Stone Of Change, too ... Once upon a time ...

And the gems still don't have any proper use that I know of ...

Alrik

[Impaqt]

You use the Stone of change to apply Guild augments to various gear with Guild slots as well....

Eldritch rituals were added to the game as kind of a stop gap to the Crafting system. They were poorly thought out and implemented so the devs could say "Look, ddo has crafting"

Cannith Crafting is far more versatile and is the system to use if you want to create gear for your toons at any level.

[voodoogroves]

I totally don't mind the ability to add something to a found item though.

[InsanityIsYourFriend]

force dmg +1 force crit 1d4

let us upgrade these


adamantine ritual can be upgraded immensely



SO without further ado

force dmg 1d4 per hit

force dmg 1d6 for X2 2d6 X3 and 4d6 for X4 crits!

then upgrade it further


1d8 per hit


force blast 1d6 for X2 2d6 X3 and 4d6 for X4 crits AND 1d3 for X2 2d3 for X3 and 4d3 for X4 AOE dmg!


i mean really add more to it


gems cuold be combined into spell dust!
and higher lvl gems into O.O SPELL STONES!


tiny green bag + collapsed portable hole = Small green bag
small green bag + collapsed portable hole = Medium green bag
medium green bag + collapsed portable hole = Large green bag
large green bag + collapsed portable hole = Huge green bag
huge green bag + collapsed portable hole = GIGANTIQUE green bag

gigantique green bag + collapsed portable hole + perfect syberies dragonshard + High energy power cell + Cannith power cell = Unstable bag of holding with an unlimited number of holding capacity


idk make it more expensive if needed


High energy Cell + bound/attuned weapon = 1d6 shock dmg per hit

Sovereign rune + (high elemental essence from cannith) + boot mat + large GS mat + 100 planar shards = Charge! true ressurection trinket with 3/3 per day clickies!

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

Cannith Crafting is far more versatile and is the system to use if you want to create gear for your toons at any level.

Yes, it is. I'm using it to some extend as well. Italso allows a lot of experimenting.

Eldritch machines/altars/stones have the great disadvantage of not displaying ANY kind of hint of what one can do with them. Stumbling upon a recipe by accident is normal for them.