I plan on making a half-elf 32 pt dark monk with one of cleric, rogue or barb dilly. I plan on going 15 15 14 8 16 8 for stats, with a focus on strength. However, I have no idea what dark monks like. I would greatly appreciate some advice on key feat and what not to make my monk stronger.
This is currently what I have. I had to tweak the starting dex to 16 so I could access at least one of the tier 3 stancesCode:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.9.1 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Elf Male (20 Monk) Hit Points: 334 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 16 Reflex: 16 Will: 16 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 15 23 Dexterity 16 18 Constitution 15 18 Intelligence 8 10 Wisdom 14 18 Charisma 8 10 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 3 8 Bluff -1 0 Concentration 2 16 Diplomacy -1 0 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle -1 0 Heal 2 4 Hide 3 8 Intimidate -1 0 Jump 2 8 Listen 2 4 Move Silently 3 4 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair -1 0 Search -1 0 Spot 2 4 Swim 2 6 Tumble n/a n/a Use Magic Device n/a n/a Level 1 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting Level 3 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 4 (Monk) Level 5 (Monk) Level 6 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Sunder Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist Level 7 (Monk) Level 8 (Monk) Level 9 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Level 10 (Monk) Level 11 (Monk) Level 12 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Level 13 (Monk) Level 14 (Monk) Level 15 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 16 (Monk) Level 17 (Monk) Level 18 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 19 (Monk) Level 20 (Monk) Enhancement: Monk Serenity Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante II Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II Enhancement: Human Versatility I Enhancement: Human Versatility II Enhancement: Human Versatility III Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy II Enhancement: Void Strike I Enhancement: Void Strike II Enhancement: Void Strike III Enhancement: Winter's Touch Enhancement: Adept of Wind Enhancement: Grandmaster of Storms Enhancement: Master of Thunder Enhancement: Adept of Rock Enhancement: Master of Stone Enhancement: Adept of Flame Enhancement: Adept of Rain Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Improved Jump I Enhancement: Improved Jump II Enhancement: Improved Tumble I Enhancement: Improved Tumble II Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
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Thread: Dark Monk Newbie wants help.
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03-25-2012, 03:16 PM #1Community Member
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Dark Monk Newbie wants help.
Last edited by Varashad; 03-25-2012 at 05:06 PM.
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03-25-2012, 04:11 PM #2
Monks, dark or light, will benefit from the same base feats. The only difference would be the inclusion of Dodge for the Ninja path. Stunning Fist is a must for either.
Originally Posted by Varashad
If you want big SA DPS go Rogue dilly. If you want reliable self-healing, opt for Cleric dilly. The Barb dilly offers paltry DR, a relatively cheap +1 Con and up to another 20 HP. Personally, I'd favor a Toughness feat over Barb dilly.
Earth and Wind stances are currently in vogue as they offer the greatest DPS potential. You'll need at least a base 16 in both Con and Dex to reach tier three in either which is where the magic starts to happen. I hope you have a few +2 tomes handy.
ToD is obvious and obligatory. You might be able to squeeze Void IV in there but the AP are really tight as it is with a meaningful dilly line and doing so would definitely impact your stance or healing amp options.
Best of luck!
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03-25-2012, 04:14 PM #3Community Member
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Good starting stats. I would recommend starting cleric, allows you to solo and self heal, then swap for rogue dilly later. Feats you will want/need/should have:
Stunning fist
Dodge
Toughness- multiple times if you want
TWF
ITWF
GTWF
Imp Sunder- don't need but good choice
IC: bludgeoning
PA- maybe not all monks take
Enhancents:
Monk imp healing II
Grandmaster storms and Earth
Mink wis II
Mink capstone
Helf cleric dilly III
Touch of death- pre Enhances for it, don't remeber all
Racial toughness II
Ninja Spy I and II
Don't really know others off hand: that's a pretty descent start from all I can remember. I take a look at my build I'll post some more infoI feel at home in the darkness, when its just me and my blades...when the hunter takes over!
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03-25-2012, 05:02 PM #4Community Member
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Uhm. I'm in trouble; my character builder and the game both say it takes 18 dex/con to reach tier 3. Originally Posted by sebastianosmith
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03-25-2012, 05:16 PM #5Community Member
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Yea you need 16 dex for wind III, Becuase only level points and times count toward base 18 for it. The build looks good man, I've got a similar Helf build, but I dropped void line for human and monk recovery II, 20% each for that good ole amp, I'm also cleric. I only took human Vers I, looks good though.
I feel at home in the darkness, when its just me and my blades...when the hunter takes over!
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03-25-2012, 05:22 PM #6Community Member
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the joys of a 32point monk. You may find it easier to go weapon finesse based, and taking some points out of str moving them to get 16 base con and 18 base dex, putting the rest of your level ups there. Originally Posted by Varashad
eventually you'll get +3 tomes or may want to TR both effectively giving more build points and creating more options.
Or you could stick with your current idea, but invest a level up points into con along with a +2 tome and your golden for tier 3 stances
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03-25-2012, 05:37 PM #7Community Member
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I agree with almost all of this; the exception being finesse, it's just a waste. Even if you dropped STR to 12 and put levels into DEX, you end-game STR would still be higher.
I would blow a level point on CON to access Earth 4, first, although that's not really necessary because you get most of the benefits at tier 3; Wind is the one that you get the most benefit out of tier 4.
Just wait on a +3 CON tome, you'll need tanking gear before you use Earth too much, anyway
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03-25-2012, 06:06 PM #8Community Member
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wind stance monks finesse is very very situationally higher than their str if they put all level ups into dex Originally Posted by elg582
I agree with almost all of this; the exception being finesse, it's just a waste. Even if you dropped STR to 12 and put levels into DEX, you end-game STR would still be higher.
I would blow a level point on CON to access Earth 4, first, although that's not really necessary because you get most of the benefits at tier 3; Wind is the one that you get the most benefit out of tier 4.
Just wait on a +3 CON tome, you'll need tanking gear before you use Earth too much, anyway
finesse is not the route i would go, but i've got gear now and can sustain a good ac whilst leveling,
a new player without gear would not be able to get their str higher than dex with a 12 vs 18
buffs for str
+2 rage
+2 madstone
+2 double madstone (situational)
+6 titans (situational)
+3 profane (super endgame geared)
buffs for dex
+2 alchemical
+4 windstance
given the difference between 12str base and 23dex capped i work out 27str vs 29 dex seems like that would justify weapon finesse to me.
(i've ignored all tomes and regular str / dex gear as they work out the same cancelling each other out.)
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03-25-2012, 06:13 PM #9Community Member
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Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning would be just as good, then Originally Posted by fTdOmen
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03-25-2012, 06:22 PM #10Community Member
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except ofc you can only sustain that +6 str for 3 mins and +2 str for 2 mins Originally Posted by elg582
Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning would be just as good, then
at which point finesse is a better choice.
again it's not the way i'd build, but weapon finesse is definitely not "a waste" as you put it, at least to those who do choose to build for it.
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03-25-2012, 06:46 PM #11Community Member
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What I'm getting out of this thread is that monks should not be 32 pt builds either, just like paladins. How annoying. Fortunately I'm glad to learn this before my monk hits too high. So, now I'll ask a second question.
If I was to multi-class my monk, I know the general rules is monk(12/8) + fighter(12/8), but what are some other good monk multi-class builds that can hold their own in in dps and survivability?
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03-25-2012, 06:59 PM #12Community Member
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monks can be 32 points, and quite viable as such. putting one level up point into con wont make you a gimp or suddenly unviable. Originally Posted by Varashad
sweet spots for monks though
2 levels (2 feats + evasion)
light monk 3 (finishers)
dark 6 (if you stop at 6, go dark shadowfade > shintao 1)
both 7 (next tier of monk healing amp)
both 8 (unarmed die step)
both 12 (tier 3 stances)
if you're looking to level beyond 12 levels of monk, your best bet is probably pure, their capstone is great, and it's only very niche builds that benefit from the smaller splash.
Personally i've got or have TR'ed
12m/6ranger/2f - AA / touch of death ninja spy melee
12f/8m - good burst build, worse than a pure after 8-10 mins of power surge though.
12m/6pally/2rogue - amazing saves / hp / no fail heal scrolls, very much a jack of all trades, master of none
Honestly though, don't be disheartened by my comment on a 32point monk, both 32point monks and paladins can be made to be perfectly viable to level and for endgame, even most elitists would be hard pressed to critique the toon in my sig.Last edited by fTdOmen; 03-25-2012 at 07:01 PM.
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03-25-2012, 08:04 PM #13
Goodness no! 32-point monks are perfectly viable. You just can't make them do everything at once. You're build as presented is somewhat unfocused, that's all. I must profess that I find most 32-point dark monks to be rather "one note" in their tactics, but they do pack a punch (pardon the pun). Originally Posted by Varashad
I've taken the liberty of outlining a solid, if not spectacular, monk build for you. He'll be fun to level and makes an excellent "TR Immediately Upon 20" candidate. The passive monk PL feat is only good for monks, but it's really quite nice. He's earth/wind focused and should be able to land SA, SF and ToD reliably. He's also finesse-based just for fun - feel free to change that if you can't get appropriate gear. Use that Human Versatility for all it's worth. It's one of the best boosts in the game. His healing amp is "meh" and there is no UMD. Carry pots, a pocket cleric or friends willing to heal. Better yet, avoid being hit.
Why Water 2 at 20th level? Had two AP left and the extra save is handy for some things. Do whatever you'd like with it instead.Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.12.01 DDO Character Planner Home Page 32 Point Dark Monk Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Elf Male (20 Monk) Hit Points: 334 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 16 Reflex: 18 Will: 18 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 14 16 Dexterity 15 22 Constitution 15 18 Intelligence 8 8 Wisdom 16 22 Charisma 8 8 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 6 31 Bluff -1 -1 Concentration 6 40 Diplomacy -1 -1 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle -1 -1 Heal 3 6 Hide 2 10 Intimidate -1 -1 Jump 5 18 Listen 3 6 Move Silently 2 10 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair -1 -1 Search -1 -1 Spot 3 6 Swim 2 3 Tumble 3 9 Use Magic Device n/a n/a Level 1 (Monk) Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue Feat: (Selected) Toughness Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Human Versatility I Enhancement: Improved Concentration I Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I Enhancement: Improved Jump I Enhancement: Improved Tumble I Level 3 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Dodge Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Level 4 (Monk) Ability Raise: CON Enhancement: Human Versatility II Enhancement: Static Charge Level 5 (Monk) Enhancement: Improved Jump II Enhancement: Improved Tumble II Level 6 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I Enhancement: Adept of Wind Level 7 (Monk) Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame Enhancement: Winter's Touch Level 8 (Monk) Ability Raise: DEX Enhancement: Porous Soul Level 9 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Touch of Death Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Level 10 (Monk) Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II Enhancement: Adept of Rock Level 11 (Monk) Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I Level 12 (Monk) Ability Raise: DEX Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy II Enhancement: Master of Thunder Level 13 (Monk) Enhancement: Master of Stone Level 14 (Monk) Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II Level 15 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante II Level 16 (Monk) Ability Raise: DEX Enhancement: Human Versatility III Level 17 (Monk) Enhancement: Improved Concentration II Level 18 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Grandmaster of Storms Enhancement: Grandmaster of Mountains Level 19 (Monk) Enhancement: Human Versatility IV Level 20 (Monk) Ability Raise: DEX Enhancement: Monk Serenity Enhancement: Adept of Rain
Best of luck!
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03-25-2012, 08:08 PM #14Community Member
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Why two tiers of improved concentration? Originally Posted by sebastianosmith
I'd rather have a second tier of healing amp or pick up 10k stars.
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Looks good, but I'm not interested in TRing right at 20. What would you do if I wanted him to be strength based, and viable for end game raiding, and maybe even epics? Originally Posted by sebastianosmith
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03-25-2012, 08:13 PM #16
I like even numbers? Originally Posted by fTdOmen
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03-25-2012, 08:23 PM #17
Basically, put three of the Dex level ups into Str (or use a +3 Dex tome and swap all four), exchange Weapon Fineness for, oh, Improved Sunder, switch the Water Adept to Fire Adept and take it earlier in the build. That'll be the easiest way to do it. Oh, and exchange Elven Dex I for something else, hold the AP for a few levels to get Fire Adept earlier. Originally Posted by Varashad
You may also want to exchange Monk Wisdom I or II for Adaptability Str I or II. You'd loose a DC on your SF but gain +1 to hit. Up to you.
You'll still have GM Earth/Wind and ToD which are the important parts. Play around with it. There's another 20% healing amp in there if you finagle the points. It does get rather finicky trying to spread the points to get certain things at the first level available.
End game and raids are going to be pretty gear dependent no matter what you do.
Best of Luck!
It'll look like this:
@fTdOmen - 10k Stars, just for you.Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.12.01 DDO Character Planner Home Page 32 Point Dark Monk Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Elf Male (20 Monk) Hit Points: 339 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 16 Reflex: 16 Will: 17 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 14 20 Dexterity 15 18 Constitution 15 18 Intelligence 8 8 Wisdom 16 20 Charisma 8 8 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 6 31 Bluff -1 -1 Concentration 6 41 Diplomacy -1 -1 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle -1 -1 Heal 3 5 Hide 2 8 Intimidate -1 -1 Jump 5 20 Listen 3 5 Move Silently 2 8 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair -1 -1 Search -1 -1 Spot 3 5 Swim 2 5 Tumble 3 7 Use Magic Device n/a n/a Level 1 (Monk) Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue Feat: (Selected) Toughness Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Human Versatility I Enhancement: Improved Concentration I Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I Enhancement: Improved Jump I Enhancement: Improved Tumble I Level 3 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Dodge Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Level 4 (Monk) Ability Raise: CON Enhancement: Human Versatility II Enhancement: Static Charge Level 5 (Monk) Enhancement: Improved Jump II Enhancement: Improved Tumble II Level 6 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Improved Sunder Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I Enhancement: Adept of Wind Level 7 (Monk) Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame Enhancement: Winter's Touch Level 8 (Monk) Ability Raise: DEX Enhancement: Porous Soul Enhancement: Adept of Flame Level 9 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Touch of Death Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Level 10 (Monk) Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II Enhancement: Adept of Rock Level 11 (Monk) Level 12 (Monk) Ability Raise: STR Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy II Enhancement: Master of Thunder Level 13 (Monk) Enhancement: Master of Stone Level 14 (Monk) Level 15 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante II Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Adept of Rain Level 16 (Monk) Ability Raise: STR Enhancement: Human Versatility III Level 17 (Monk) Level 18 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise III Enhancement: Grandmaster of Storms Enhancement: Grandmaster of Mountains Level 19 (Monk) Enhancement: Human Versatility IV Level 20 (Monk) Ability Raise: STR Enhancement: Monk Serenity Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars Enhancement: Unbalancing Strike
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