"TR's only" groups...

[Phemt81]

fast run for maximum xp

Oxymoron detected.

You won't get "maximum" xp doing fast runs, usually having quick runs mean you won't complete optionals and thus get less experience points.

At the contrary, "wasting" time breaking all barrels, disabling all traps, killing all monsters will achieve more xp.

And don't forget breavery streak!

[HungarianRhapsody]

Oxymoron detected.

You won't get "maximum" xp doing fast runs, usually having quick runs mean you won't complete optionals and thus get less experience points.

At the contrary, "wasting" time breaking all barrels, disabling all traps, killing all monsters will achieve more xp.

And don't forget breavery streak!

Because you don't have infinite time to run quests, there is a finite amount of XP that you can earn in a session of DDO. If you want to maximise the amount of XP that you earn in a session, some optionals and some bonuses (conquest/ransack, etc) will be beneficial and some will just reduce the amount of XP that you can earn that night.

Not everything has to be about XP/minute, but it is entirely reasonable to talk about making quick runs to earn the "maximum" XP possible because you are talking about the maximum XP that you can earn in some amount of time.

[Phemt81]

Sorry, forgot to say that i don't like to zerg.

You are right.

[matttherat88]

Why do people post TR's only LFMs? To create reactions like this one.

Why do people post no-noob. know it. ~selective~ LFMs. Same reason.

Oh, the real reason is since they want to be successful at some meaningless game blah blah, don't want to waste their time losing quests LOL.

People hate, they love to make you mad. Give them a chance they will. Some won't, like you they are nice. Many will have a good time with your misery count on it.

[Vint]

Why do people post TR's only LFMs? To create reactions like this one.

Why do people post no-noob. know it. ~selective~ LFMs. Same reason.

Oh, the real reason is since they want to be successful at some meaningless game blah blah, don't want to waste their time losing quests LOL.

People hate, they love to make you mad. Give them a chance they will. Some won't, like you they are nice. Many will have a good time with your misery count on it.

I take no comfort at yelling at anyone, and I have on intentions of making people mad.

Think about this for a minute. If my LFM says know it, and someone joins that dosent know it, dosent BYOH, etc. etc, how am I not to get mad? There are people out there that seem to have no concern when it comes to reading the LFM. They apparently love to make me mad when they -10p me or whe they raise DA just before they die.

In your opinion is it okay for "noob player" to make elitist mad, but it is not okay for elitist to make "noob player" mad?

[matttherat88]

I take no comfort at yelling at anyone, and I have on intentions of making people mad.

Think about this for a minute. If my LFM says know it, and someone joins that dosent know it, dosent BYOH, etc. etc, how am I not to get mad? There are people out there that seem to have no concern when it comes to reading the LFM. They apparently love to make me mad when they -10p me or whe they raise DA just before they die.

In your opinion is it okay for "noob player" to make elitist mad, but it is not okay for elitist to make "noob player" mad?

Seriously, losing at the game makes you mad? really? I'm not sure I believe that.

Not being able to play...having people tell you they don't want to play with you...that is real. Losing some dumb game is not real.

[Vint]

Seriously, losing at the game makes you mad? really? I'm not sure I believe that.

Not being able to play...having people tell you they don't want to play with you...that is real. Losing some dumb game is not real.

This is your opinion. I dont take this game seriously enough to become an alcholoic, I just want to have fun and relax when I play. I deal with incompetent people 8 hours a day, and have no need to deal with them in my free time when I am trying to relax.

Back to the question: In your opinion is it okay for "noob player" to make elitist mad, but it is not okay for elitist to make "noob player" mad?

Silly game or not, I would like to know your view. It has nothing to do with losing the game, it is dealing with the people that have no concern for wasting my time.

[MRMechMan]

Sorry, forgot to say that i don't like to zerg.

You are right.

Basically when you start a TR train you farm a quest till you hit a certain minimum xp/minute.

At least for me, and 90% of the TRs I know, to make the double TR grind palatable it needs to be done quickly-at least while you are in a quest. Time is money, bumbling around at 300-500xp/min I find to be extremely unpleasant when I've done the same quest at 1000-1500xp/minute before. A good zerg with a group that knows it and trivializes content is a beautiful thing.

Getting ransack is often not worth it. Getting conquest is often not worth it. Some optionals are not worth it.

Sometimes they are. After playing the content you realize which are and which are not. Ransack in von3? Yep. Ransack in new ringleader? Nope. Conquest in desert caravan? yep. Conquest in wizking? nope. Optionals in shadow crypt? Yep. Optional at the end of shipwrecked spy? Not so much.

XP/min is way more important than total XP. Maraud the mines gives a lot less XP than coal chamber...but it's also a 0min quest compared to a 20-30+ min one.

[wax_on_wax_off]

There's something to be said for the gear that is available to TR's, raid loot, GS etc makes a big difference to play experience from about level 13+.

Sometimes I want someone who is a vet AND a TR, it's plausible that a non-TR'd vet might fill the spot but in all likelihood such a person would be someone who *thinks* that they are a vet but doesn't necessarily fit the bill.

Like elite crucible today, we had 5 and no healer, LFM was for healer or self sufficient TR, seemed reasonable, we ended up taking a non-TR'd WF Wiz, don't really know how much he contributed but we got through fine anyway (well, not fine, but the issues were unrelated to the class composition in the group).

[alexp80]

Personally... I don't pug.

But I really understand the point of tr-only lfm.

Tr's are quite different from first lifers.
While a vet could play a 1st life toon very good, after lvl 11 or so the scissor between a good tr opens wide.
Thats a matter of gear (gs/raid gear unavailable as first lifer while levelling up).
On my current tr, at lvl 14 (fvs) I have more sp and hp than the cleric that was in a eVon I joined few days ago. I think you get the point.

[a-xp]

TR only =
BYO Healing/Buffs/Wands/Pots
Dont die
Know the quest
Zerg
Multiple runs for exp

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

In its essence, "TR only" looks to me similar to "know it".

[stoerm]

TRing without a plan for every level and the finances to back up that plan is irresponsible and unkind to the groups said character finds themselves in (misrepresentation)

Quote of the week. Perhaps you could set up a True Reincarnate Character Audit and Certification Authority (TR CACA) to weed out those pesky players who dare *gasp* TR without a Plan, and strip them of their wings. Then you could set up a virtual checkpoint at every airship entry and demand TRs produce a CACA certified levelling plan. Perhaps even a sting operation with LFMs to catch bad TRs, and humiliate them publicly on a blacklist of Failed Audit TRs (FAT). Nobody wants to be a FAT CACA.

Disclosure: I am a proud FAT(tm) - accidentally spoke to Brawnpits too early, almost causing a wipe (one guy did rage quit after being burned to death).

P.S. in all fairness he burned to death about 12 times, thanks to the res shrine.

[matttherat88]

This is your opinion. I dont take this game seriously enough to become an alcholoic, I just want to have fun and relax when I play. I deal with incompetent people 8 hours a day, and have no need to deal with them in my free time when I am trying to relax.

Back to the question: In your opinion is it okay for "noob player" to make elitist mad, but it is not okay for elitist to make "noob player" mad?

Silly game or not, I would like to know your view. It has nothing to do with losing the game, it is dealing with the people that have no concern for wasting my time.

Honestly, look at the word's you are using: "incompetent", "noob", "people that have no concern..."

These are hurtful words.

We are not talking about griefers, we are talking about people( in your imagination ) who make honest mistakes. If you can't deal with people making mistakes you need to deal with that on your own.

There is a culture in DDO surrounding the concept of the "n00b". It is based on hate. That is my point.

[wax_on_wax_off]

Quote of the week. Perhaps you could set up a True Reincarnate Character Audit and Certification Authority (TR CACA) to weed out those pesky players who dare *gasp* TR without a Plan, and strip them of their wings. Then you could set up a virtual checkpoint at every airship entry and demand TRs produce a CACA certified levelling plan. Perhaps even a sting operation with LFMs to catch bad TRs, and humiliate them publicly on a blacklist of Failed Audit TRs (FAT). Nobody wants to be a FAT CACA.

Disclosure: I am a proud FAT(tm) - accidentally spoke to Brawnpits too early, almost causing a wipe (one guy did rage quit after being burned to death).

Furthermore, having a plan for each level ends up being less efficient than just winging it in many situations. A while ago I leveled an AC build and spent considerable resources and time getting max gear for each level to be untouchable but in the end it might have just been quicker to not bother. Didn't bother me though, I wasn't trying to break any speed records, I was just having fun

[Miacorva]

Nearly had the tea I was drinking explode out of my nose.

+1 to you for bringing a little humour to what was rapidly becoming another one of 'those' threads.

[Bunker]

OP: The reason for LFMs that say TR only is the prequil to this summer's addition of :


COMPLETIONISTS ONLY LFMs

See you this summer!

-Bunk

[hecate355]

Really? In my experience, a lot of TRs are in such a hurry to "win" the game, they generally don't take the time to learn how to play. Frankly, the whole mindset that the game is something best gotten past as quickly as possible just tends to reinforce this trend.

I dont think thats true, there are some worse players among TR-s, just like everywhere else. Once some one reaches level 20 and Tr-s, odds are he learned thing or two while getting there.

It would be silly to claim that some one who has gotten through game 1 to n times is somehow likely to be dumber than the one who hasnt.

Try to keep your exaggerations in control, their purpose is to highlight and give emphasis on some things.

PS. First lifers arent by definition in less hurry to 'win' the game. Imagine, you are on first life char and first time climbing up to 20, you havent seen everything yet, the more eager you are to reach new content/character options and see new things.

[gallantian]

I always get a kick out of these threads when people talk about time wasting. Really, isn't playing ano mmo nothing more than a time waster? My free time is not always that valueable, if it were I wouldn't spend it playing ano online game, but I digress...

In my opinion, a better way to gauge a player who may hit your lfm might be how much favor they have.
My lfms will now read "Must have over 2000 favor to join, screenshot required, send to ]mylfm999@hotmail .com"

Edited to make fake email 'not a link' lol

[Eleia]

I always get a kick out of these threads when people talk about time wasting. Really, isn't playing ano mmo nothing more than a time waster? My free time is not always that valueable, if it were I wouldn't spend it playing ano online game, but I digress...

In my opinion, a better way to gauge a player who may hit your lfm might be how much favor they have.
My lfms will now read "Must have over 2000 favor to join, screenshot required, send to mylfm999@hotmail.com"

lol and then put it up for a ww group at level 5.