dragon mark: make them useful?

[Thrudh]

You're doing it wrong, you can heal yourself for at least that amount as many times as you like heal scrolls. Concentration is an issue but cross class skill ranks are an option. The amount of DPS that you lose from splashing or (puke) dumping ITWF/GTWF is in no way worth it.

I have a pure DPS rogue with 8 base charisma and still manage 39 standing UMD without gear swaps.

He definitely shouldn't dump ITWF/GTWF... but staying with the 2 fighter levels, and keeping the dragonmarks is an option.... I like that you can cast them in the middle of combat with no chance of failure... They even work in a beholder anti-magic field.

I do wish they were a bit faster though.

[Thrudh]

Interesting idea's here, but I make it a bit more powerful tbh - it is a Three feat investment to get a nice spell clicky, remember. So how about:

Shadow: Movement +10%, +2D6 Sneak Attack
Making: Permanent Augment Summoning,
Finding: Permanent True Seeing
Sentinel: Permanent Stacking +25HP
Passage: Permanent Freedom of Movement
Healing: Permanent Deathward
Warding: Permanent DeathPact (Renewed on rest, does not stack with Spell)
Storm: Add Shocking Burst to Unarmed, Melee and Ranged attacks

Makes tier 3 DMs a bit more tempting now...

Ooh... me like.

[InsanityIsYourFriend]

Interesting idea's here, but I make it a bit more powerful tbh - it is a Three feat investment to get a nice spell clicky, remember. So how about:

Shadow: Movement +10%, +2D6 Sneak Attack
Making: Permanent Augment Summoning,
Finding: Permanent True Seeing
Sentinel: Permanent Stacking +25HP
Passage: Permanent Freedom of Movement
Healing: Permanent Deathward
Warding: Permanent DeathPact (Renewed on rest, does not stack with Spell)
Storm: Add Shocking Burst to Unarmed, Melee and Ranged attacks

Makes tier 3 DMs a bit more tempting now...

was thinking that mine would be good if they lowered it to one feat and enhances HOWEVER if it stays costing 3 feats it needs a major boost and what you have stated sounds really good but for Storm
(i know its borked right now but) a half elf sorcerer can take the Dragonmarks of storm as a prequisite to air savant, but with shocking burst to weapons it would not help a half elf air savant at all, which to me sounds redundant, we need something that everyone would like (and i daresay a halfling PM would be rather... ****ed off with a permanent death ward) i like the death pact idea though, would make dwarves played a LOT more

[Arlathen]

Ooh... me like.

Yeah, which means we'll never get this into the game

[Arlathen]

was thinking that mine would be good if they lowered it to one feat and enhances HOWEVER if it stays costing 3 feats it needs a major boost and what you have stated sounds really good but for Storm
(i know its borked right now but) a half elf sorcerer can take the Dragonmarks of storm as a prequisite to air savant, but with shocking burst to weapons it would not help a half elf air savant at all, which to me sounds redundant, we need something that everyone would like (and i daresay a halfling PM would be rather... ****ed off with a permanent death ward) i like the death pact idea though, would make dwarves played a LOT more

The DM of Storm idea is a good toss up really, it would be highly desired on a Half-Elf melee build, same as the Making DM was a bit more caster orientated (the comma btw was to add something else in along the lines of the Shadow DM - I think just adding Augmented Summoning is a little underwhelming).

Hmm, Halfling PM that takes three Positive Energy Healing Dragonmarks ? O.o I'm not going to say never, but umm..... nope, never seen one lol

[InsanityIsYourFriend]

The DM of Storm idea is a good toss up really, it would be highly desired on a Half-Elf melee build, same as the Making DM was a bit more caster orientated (the comma btw was to add something else in along the lines of the Shadow DM - I think just adding Augmented Summoning is a little underwhelming).

Hmm, Halfling PM that takes three Positive Energy Healing Dragonmarks ? O.o I'm not going to say never, but umm..... nope, never seen one lol

my brother did it, he was making a wizard then learned about PrEs.... he liked the PM one but never did get rid of the dragonmarks ^^