11 Rgr / 6 Mnk / 3 Art - AA

**Shaatan** · 03-13-2012, 04:12 PM

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Elf Male
(6 Monk \ 11 Ranger \ 3 Artificer) 
Hit Points: 349
Spell Points: 477 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 15
Will: 17

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             17                    26
Dexterity            11                    14
Constitution         13                    15
Intelligence         10                    12
Wisdom               17                    23
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               2                     6
Bluff                -1                     0
Concentration         5                    23
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device        n/a                  20
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                  3                     6
Hide                  0                     4
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  7                    14
Listen                3                     6
Move Silently         0                     2
Open Lock             n/a                  20
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                0                     1
Search                4                    21
Spot                  7                    26
Swim                  3                     8
Tumble                1                     5
Use Magic Device      0                     1

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Artificer)


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Ranger)


Level 8 (Ranger)


Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 10 (Ranger)


Level 11 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery


Level 13 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 14 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 16 (Monk)


Level 17 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge


Level 18 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Ranger)


Level 20 (Artificer)
Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Improved Cleric Dilettante I
Enhancement: Improved Cleric Dilettante II
Enhancement: Improved Cleric Dilettante III
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion I
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion II
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion III
Enhancement: Artificer Energy of Creation I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II

**karl_k0ch** · 03-13-2012, 07:38 PM

I'm surprised to see Spot, but no UMD. I guess having Arty levels and Cleric Dilly makes this somewhat easier to give up. But then, there will be no fire shield scrolls, and also no rr or other alignment-based items useable.

**Shaatan** · 03-14-2012, 08:42 PM

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Elf Male
(7 Fighter \ 12 Monk \ 1 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 346
Spell Points: 255 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 14
Will: 17

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    26
Dexterity            16                    19
Constitution         14                    17
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom               16                    21
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    23
Bluff                -1                     1
Concentration         6                    27
Diplomacy            -1                     1
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                  3                     5
Hide                  3                     8
Intimidate           -1                     1
Jump                  3                    14
Listen                3                     5
Move Silently         3                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                  3                     5
Swim                  3                     8
Tumble                n/a                   7
Use Magic Device      1                    11

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot


Level 4 (Monk)


Level 5 (Monk)


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 7 (Monk)


Level 8 (Monk)


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot


Level 10 (Monk)


Level 11 (Monk)


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Bow Strength


Level 13 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Precise Shot


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Manyshot
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Kensei Longbow Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy II
Enhancement: Winter's Touch
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Master of Stone
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I

**wax_on_wax_off** · 03-14-2012, 09:00 PM

Maybe better to post some of your goals with these builds ...

Here are my current AA builds that my completionist character will try soonish (tm) for comparison.

**karl_k0ch** · 03-15-2012, 04:35 AM

I think this is mainly a reference post.

**Shaatan** · 03-15-2012, 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by wax_on_wax_off

Maybe better to post some of your goals with these builds ...

Here are my current AA builds that my completionist character will try soonish (tm) for comparison.

I posted it only because its easier to paste it from planner here. So i can just link this thread to ppl that i want to check out these builds. Feel free to totally ignore this thread.

**wax_on_wax_off** · 03-15-2012, 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by Shaatan

I posted it only because its easier to paste it from planner here. So i can just link this thread to ppl that i want to check out these builds. Feel free to totally ignore this thread.

We'd (or at least I'd) love to know your experiences with the 10k stars/zen archery combo with the variety of builds and why you chose certain things over others (like 1 wizard instead of 1 artificer).

It's a new paradigm and qualitative data is good

**Shaatan** · 03-15-2012, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by wax_on_wax_off

We'd (or at least I'd) love to know your experiences with the 10k stars/zen archery combo with the variety of builds and why you chose certain things over others (like 1 wizard instead of 1 artificer).

It's a new paradigm and qualitative data is good

There is no any deeper meaning to it. Just the extra feat from wiz lvl, so i dont have to sacrifice toughness for mental toughness. I really like having my ~600 HP. It can be easily swapped for arti lvl if some1 likes UMD and possible trap skills more. Because of 3 pres, the enchancements on this build are really tight, so there is not much more u can get from that arti lvl.

**Shaatan** · 03-15-2012, 06:13 AM

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Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.11.02
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Level 20 Neutral Good Half-Elf Male
(2 Fighter \ 12 Barbarian \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 292
Spell Points: 175 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 13
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    28
Dexterity            17                    19
Constitution         14                    17
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom                8                    11
Charisma              9                    11

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               5                    15
Bluff                -1                     0
Concentration         2                     3
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  3                     4
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  6                    31
Listen               -1                     0
Move Silently         3                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                 -1                    19
Swim                  4                     9
Tumble                4                     5
Use Magic Device      1                    11

Level 1 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Barbarian)


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Barbarian)


Level 5 (Barbarian)


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 7 (Barbarian)


Level 8 (Barbarian)


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 10 (Barbarian)


Level 11 (Barbarian)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot


Level 13 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 14 (Ranger)


Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 16 (Ranger)


Level 17 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 18 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 19 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I

**wax_on_wax_off** · 03-15-2012, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Shaatan

There is no any deeper meaning to it. Just the extra feat from wiz lvl, so i dont have to sacrifice toughness for mental toughness. I really like having my ~600 HP. It can be easily swapped for arti lvl if some1 likes UMD and possible trap skills more. Because of 3 pres, the enchancements on this build are really tight, so there is not much more u can get from that arti lvl.

With both wizard and artificer you dont need to take mental toughness as instead you can spend 1 AP on energy of creation/scholar to qualify for AA.

Artificer opens up the possibility to have max UMD for scroll healing along with the +2 UMD with scrolls. It gets better at arti 2 with wand and scroll mastery I.

**karl_k0ch** · 03-15-2012, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by wax_on_wax_off

With both wizard and artificer you dont need to take mental toughness as instead you can spend 1 AP on energy of creation/scholar to qualify for AA.

It's worth noting that the version of the planner I was using* did not include the energy of creation in the list of elven AA prereqs, essentially needing MT only for the sake of being able to take the PrE in the planner.

In essence, Wizard is 1 AP ahead of Arty since you can take a bonus feat instead of spending 1 AP for the Energy enhancement. The only other metamagic feat which makes some mild sense is Extend, if you use either of Ram's Might, and the active Pally PL feat.

*: 03.12.01, to be precise. That's even a later release than the one of the builds in the OP.

**Shaatan** · 03-15-2012, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by wax_on_wax_off

With both wizard and artificer you dont need to take mental toughness as instead you can spend 1 AP on energy of creation/scholar to qualify for AA.

Artificer opens up the possibility to have max UMD for scroll healing along with the +2 UMD with scrolls. It gets better at arti 2 with wand and scroll mastery I.

With all my hate towards swapping half of gear to get enough UMD to cast a heal scroll, i have to admit that arti might be a better option.
I had 1 spare AP anyway, which i put in improved concentration.

**wax_on_wax_off** · 03-15-2012, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by Shaatan

With all my hate towards swapping half of gear to get enough UMD to cast a heal scroll, i have to admit that arti might be a better option.
I had 1 spare AP anyway, which i put in improved concentration.

23 ranks +4 GH +3 charisma +2 ship buffs +2 artificer scroll mastery=34
Equip heal scroll/epic flameward slotted with +2 GL =41 UMD (110% heal scrolls)
No more gear swapping than what is required to equip a heal scroll though you'll probably get uncentered with this approach.

Alternatively, grab an epic spare hand and hit skill boost for 100% on heal scrolls.

Fair few options that can minimise gear swapping.

I really like the epic big top for Oh **** NEED CC! moments and it has a permanent place in my questing gear setup (in raids it gets replaced with Undying Gaze for sunder DC, on my archer I'll have moron helm here though).

**Shaatan** · 03-15-2012, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by wax_on_wax_off

23 ranks +4 GH +3 charisma +2 ship buffs +2 artificer scroll mastery=34
Equip heal scroll/epic flameward slotted with +2 GL =41 UMD (110% heal scrolls)
No more gear swapping than what is required to equip a heal scroll though you'll probably get uncentered with this approach.

Alternatively, grab an epic spare hand and hit skill boost for 100% on heal scrolls.

Fair few options that can minimise gear swapping.

I really like the epic big top for Oh **** NEED CC! moments and it has a permanent place in my questing gear setup (in raids it gets replaced with Undying Gaze for sunder DC, on my archer I'll have moron helm here though).

No matter how hard i try, i cant get more than 15 UMD from ranks with 12/Mnk/7Ftr/1Art split. So if my calculations are correct i d need to equip Epic Flameward slotted with GL, GS item with +6 CHA skills and have ship buffs and GH on me to get no fail on heal scrolls (aka pain in the butt, but possible :P).

@EDIT:

Nvm, my planner just went nuts, its possible to get 23 with ranks.

**wax_on_wax_off** · 03-15-2012, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Shaatan

No matter how hard i try, i cant get more than 15 UMD from ranks with 12/Mnk/7Ftr/1Art split. So if my calculations are correct i d need to equip Epic Flameward slotted with GL, GS item with +6 CHA skills and have ship buffs and GH on me to get no fail on heal scrolls (aka pain in the butt, but possible :P).

@EDIT:

Nvm, my planner just went nuts, its possible to get 23 with ranks.

I must say that I don't like the 7 fighter build at all, really lose out feat wise compared to what ranger offers. What interests you about that split compared to the more usual 12 monk/6 ranger/2 fighter or artificer?

**Shaatan** · 03-15-2012, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by wax_on_wax_off

I must say that I don't like the 7 fighter build at all, really lose out feat wise compared to what ranger offers. What interests you about that split compared to the more usual 12 monk/6 ranger/2 fighter or artificer?

Kensei I, Haste Boost III. And there are still enough feats to take 3x toughness along with all feats needed for ranged fighting and dodge as ninja spy pre.

**Thrudh** · 03-15-2012, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by wax_on_wax_off

I must say that I don't like the 7 fighter build at all, really lose out feat wise compared to what ranger offers. What interests you about that split compared to the more usual 12 monk/6 ranger/2 fighter or artificer?

I'm guessing Haste Boost III and Kensai I... both are more DPS than Tempest I

Edit: Although maybe not much more DPS against favored enemies with Ram's Might running.

**Thrudh** · 03-15-2012, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by Shaatan

Kensei I, Haste Boost III. And there are still enough feats to take 3x toughness along with all feats needed for ranged fighting and dodge as ninja spy pre.

You get all the ranged feats, but zero melee feats... Build with 6 ranger levels get TWF, ITWF, and GTWF.

Plus that build with 7 fighter levels doesn't get manyshot until level 18?

Without melee feats, and waiting so long for manyshot, it doesn't look like an easy build to level.

Oh, and you don't take Wizard until level 20? So no Arcane Archer until cap??

**Shaatan** · 03-15-2012, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by Thrudh

You get all the ranged feats, but zero melee feats... Build with 6 ranger levels get TWF, ITWF, and GTWF.

Plus that build with 7 fighter levels doesn't get manyshot until level 18?

Without melee feats, and waiting so long for manyshot, it doesn't look like an easy build to level.

Oh, and you don't take Wizard until level 20? So no Arcane Archer until cap??

Omagad, and i play with no enchancements till lvl 20 ?! oO The level progression is obiviously random ( the feats i take on each level too). All i care for is having all feats and classes i need, the order doesnt matter untill i actually plan to roll a toon with this build. When i decide to TR into it i ll make sure to have proper level progression for him, but right now i couldnt care less.

I know from my experiance with manyshot > 10k stars builds that all u need melee for in this kind of builds is regaining ki once in a while. Definitely not worth wasting feats on it imo.

**wax_on_wax_off** · 03-15-2012, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Thrudh

You get all the ranged feats, but zero melee feats... Build with 6 ranger levels get TWF, ITWF, and GTWF.

Plus that build with 7 fighter levels doesn't get manyshot until level 18?

Without melee feats, and waiting so long for manyshot, it doesn't look like an easy build to level.

Oh, and you don't take Wizard until level 20? So no Arcane Archer until cap??

Nor a very effective build at cap. You still need to melee ~30-40 seconds of every 2 minutes to build Ki and to avoid low DPS, unboosted pewpew. With 7 fighter you'll be stuck with quarterstaff to raise Ki which will generate much less Ki and do much less DPS overall than what you would get with 6 ranger and GTWF.

6 ranger is +3 damage and +6 damage vs FEs which is much better than kensei's damage, IMO. Haste boost isnt a deal breaker for ranged characters as you're only getting about half of the benefit (which allows artificer damage boost to compete).

Stunning Fist is another very compelling reason for TWF'ing as it is quite reasonable to get 50+ DC which is very effective end game and gives you something to do other than kiting a mob around if you pull aggro.

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