collector pre-order for Premium player?

[decease]

I beg to differ, especially in light of Turbine making the decision to have more than 2 options.
Aside from the last 2 years, when was the last time a game came out with anything other than the regular edition and the collector's edition?

Up until recently, it was never heard of to have a middle option.
3 is better than 2, right?

My point is they didn't *have* to release with more than 2 options, because that's the industry standard.
Regular and Limited &/or Collector's editions.

Also, pointing out other types of *content* that are being glossed over in lieu of another form of *content* is not telling anyone to shut up.

Would it be nice to have more options?
Sure, it's always nice to know there's more than one way to get what you want.
Is demanding "something to be changed because others already have it" good?

Has not been in my experience.

there are 3 package

package 1: CE- contain two set of classic pack
package 2: contain one set of classic pack
package 3: contain no classic pack (yeah~~) but wait.. no druid? no challenge? have to wait till august?

so what choice do we have? choose package 3? no druid no challenge.. design for vip player.. package 2? whats the different from ce? i don't midn spending money, but i don't like when things are unfair.

p.s. as i said, i already bought CE. if this is only for me there be no need to discuss from very beginning. since i bought the CE first minute it release. the reason of why i post this is because
1) i want fairness and justice be done
2) i want more people to play with when it release on June
3) i want turbine to earn more so game will update more constant

oh.. and if you don't believe that i bought ce already i could take screen shot to proof it.. it is not my issue, it is the issue of all premium player who have already bought that package

[Expalphalog]

i don't like when things are unfair.

"Fair" is when everyone is given equal opportunity. There is nothing unfair about this deal. Is it the very best deal that it could possibly be for everyone involved? No. But to label it as 'unfair' is a gross misuse of the word.

Now I am sorry that you've gotten so much negative rep, but I have to think that part of that is the fact that you've posted a new thread instead of airing your grievances on one of the other dozen or so already in use about how good (or bad) of a deal the CE is.

1) i want fairness and justice be done
2) i want more people to play with when it release on June
3) i want turbine to earn more so game will update more constant

1) Okay, I don't mean to be rude, but I have to ask exactly what you think these words mean. From your manner of writing I am guessing that you are not a native speaker of the language, so perhaps you are simply using the wrong words? I can assure you that 'justice' is in no way applicable to this conversation.

2) This has nothing to do with your complaint because the Basic and Standard packs both come with the MotU content. If people want to play the content but do not want to buy the CE, they have two other options. Whether or not the CE is a 'good deal' has no bearing on whether or not people will be playing this content.

3) They earn more by bundling lower selling products together with hot ticket items. That's Marketing 101. What you're asking for would likely net them less money, not more.

oh.. and if you don't believe that i bought ce already i could take screen shot to proof it.. it is not my issue, it is the issue of all premium player who have already bought that package

Nobody is denying that you bought it. Let's be completely honest here: Nobody cares enough to bother putting the thought into this that would precede such a denial. This is not an assault on your person, just a basic fact of life. Do you care that I bought a McDonald's hamburger last night? Do you care that I bought a Pinkie Pie Happy Meal toy to go with it? No, you don't and that's okay, in fact it is normal. Now, you would have reason to care if NOBODY was buying McDonald's hamburgers except for me because that would be a pretty damning indictment on the future of the restaurant. But people are buying the MotU content in one form or another so it doesn't matter.

And please do not speak for everyone. This is not "the issue of all premium player[sic]" Some of us are happy with the deal. Myself, I went with the Standard because I don't care about the kitty, I don't plan to ever TR, and I didn't own but one of those packs. Is this an issue with some of the Premium players? Yeah, it is. But certainly not all and based on the responses here, I'm guessing not even most.

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"Fair" is when everyone is given equal opportunity. There is nothing unfair about this deal. Is it the very best deal that it could possibly be for everyone involved? No. But to label it as 'unfair' is a gross misuse of the word.

Now I am sorry that you've gotten so much negative rep, but I have to think that part of that is the fact that you've posted a new thread instead of airing your grievances on one of the other dozen or so already in use about how good (or bad) of a deal the CE is, and another is probably your refusal to follow even the most basic of grammer rules.



1) Okay, I don't mean to be rude, but I have to ask exactly what you think these words mean. From your manner of writing I am guess that you are not a native speaker of the language, so perhaps you are simply using the wrong words? I can assure you that 'justice' is in no way applicable to this conversation

2) This has nothing to do with your complaint because the Basic and Standard packs both come with the MotU content. If people want to play the content but do not want to buy the CE, they have two other options. Whether or not the CE is a 'good deal' has no bearing on whether or not people will be playing this content.

3) They earn more by bundling lower selling products together with hot ticket items. That's Marketing 101. What you're asking for would likely net them less money, not more.




Nobody is denying that you bought it. Let's be completely honest here: Nobody cares enough to bother putting the thought into this that would precede such a denial. This is not an assault on your person, just a basic fact of life. Do you care that I bought a McDonald's hamburger last night? Do you care that I bought a Pinkie Pie Happy Meal toy to go with it? No, you don't and that's okay, in fact it is normal. Now, you would have reason to care if NOBODY was buying McDonald's hamburgers except for me because that would be a pretty damning indictment on the future of the restaurant. But people are buying the MotU content in one form or another so it doesn't matter.

And please do not speak for everyone. This is not "the issue of all premium player[sic]" Some of us are happy with the deal. Myself, I went with the Standard because I don't care about the kitty, I don't plan to ever TR, and I didn't own but one of those packs. Is this an issue with some of the Premium players? Yeah, it is. But certainly not all and based on the responses here, I'm guessing not even most.

really if you don't like reading, you don't have to. if you are ok with every future update bundle with several pack you already own.. then so be it. you don't like my grammer? too bad, thats my style of wording =P i am i, DECEASE =P

according to dictionary the word justice means:
1.the quality of being just; righteousness, equitableness, or moral rightness: to uphold the justice of a cause.
2.rightfulness or lawfulness, as of a claim or title; justness of ground or reason: to complain with justice.
3.the moral principle determining just conduct.
4.conformity to this principle, as manifested in conduct; just conduct, dealing, or treatment.
5.the administering of deserved punishment or reward.

p.s. you spoken logic, by your logic premium player been forced to wait till aug or paid for things they already own are an example of fairness or "equal opportunity"? oh and i suggest to read "pride and prejudice" in your spare time, hopefully you will learn something from it.

[Elation]

this is what i want the preorder for, and im prepared to pay some decent money for it. but 80$ for only this? would you buy that? i really want the shinies but theyre just not worth 80$ imo. i totally would have bought it if i didnt already own all the packs though, i think the packs add alot of value to the deal but only for those who doesnt alredy have them

Uhm yes 80 dollars for just the xp tomes lets do quick math
900 tp for each lesser so 995*28= 27860 tp
one greater tome = 1595
permenant lvl 20 fighter hireling that is usefull uhm not sure how to put a price on itso ill go cheap 250 tp
The pets lets say 250 each and then gone forever =750

total so far 30455 tp yep $80 bucks is worth it.

[Elation]

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Now I am sorry that you've gotten so much negative rep, but I have to think that part of that is the fact that you've posted a new thread instead of airing your grievances on one of the other dozen or so already in use about how good (or bad) of a deal the CE is, and another is probably your refusal to follow even the most basic of grammer rules.
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Grammer rules on the forum are you crazy. I believe english may not be his first language or even his second language. Its readable drop grammer police. If it was bad grammer that recieves negative rep then most of the forum posters would be buried.

I am sure if I bothered to look i could find grammer errors in your posts.

Now, that being said neg rep from the first part of your statement is probably more accurate.

[qoolboxer]

Now I am sorry that you've gotten so much negative rep, but I have to think that part of that is the fact that you've posted a new thread instead of airing your grievances on one of the other dozen or so already in use about how good (or bad) of a deal the CE is, and another is probably your refusal to follow even the most basic of grammer rules.

The irony here is... did you mean grammar?

[qoolboxer]

Actually there is nothing wrong with the bundle - be it the price or the extras. The problem is we still don't know what the expansion is going to give us. Look at LOTRO's expansion last year, same pre purchase trick - buy the bundle and get an xp item for every character. Not much info on the expansion, same "three" new areas marketing style. Then, when it launched? It felt like a half done expansion.

So, what do we know about Underdark expansion? Three adventure packs sold as a bundle will cost 2495TP, we get at least two wilderness areas, one single raid (notice that the 3rd pack is stated as a raid so whether this pack is just a raid, or flagging quests + raid, or wilderness+quests+raid, we don't know).

We are 3 months away from launch, we know the price, but we don't know what we will be getting. Will we get more content than Vale (850TP)?

Anyone seen the amazing Underdark screenshots yet?

(who is this? looks like in Update 13's Cultist Base)
http://underdark.ddo.com/sites/defau...screenshot.jpg

(concept art of some bows)
http://underdark.ddo.com/sites/defau...screenshot.jpg

(mask you get if you buy Standard bundle)
http://underdark.ddo.com/sites/defau...screenshot.jpg

(concept art of some axes)
http://underdark.ddo.com/sites/defau...screenshot.jpg

(someone's spidey pet in Delera's Graveyard)
http://underdark.ddo.com/sites/defau...screenshot.jpg

(mask you get if you buy CE bundle)
http://underdark.ddo.com/sites/defau...screenshot.jpg

I almost find those screenshots insulting.

Seriously, are we buying expansion with xp tomes as bonus, or are we buying xp tomes with expansion as an extra?

[Talias006]

justice

... is neither going to be found within a game, nor its' forums.

Fairness does not equate to justice.

Justice requires a winner and a loser.
Fairness is an equality among peers, IMO.

Are some of the options not agreeable to some Premium and VIP players?
Absolutely.
That doesn't mean we should stop everything to address this discrepancy in lack of options.

The ones we have were designed by Turbine, most likely with the majority of players in mind.
Most likely not with certain cases where some players already have some things and could then be offended by "having to purchase the same content again."

[Gizeh]

[...] i don't like when things are unfair.[...]

Me neither.

Americans get the big preorder pack for 80$ while Europeans have to pay 70 Euros (91.45$)...

As for the general value of the preorder pack, it is worth getting if

a) you have *a lot* of characters that you want to TR several times

b) you are a free player and want to upgrade to a premium account

c) you are a VIP player and want to downgrade to a premium account

d) you really really really like cosmetics like masks and pets

[Robert4818]

this is what i want the preorder for, and im prepared to pay some decent money for it. but 80$ for only this? would you buy that? i really want the shinies but theyre just not worth 80$ imo. i totally would have bought it if i didnt already own all the packs though, i think the packs add alot of value to the deal but only for those who doesnt alredy have them

2000 points
~1600 for vet level 7
~1600 for Greater Tome
~900 for each lesser tome

Right here is 6000 points of stuff ~$60.00 for stuff you probably don't have already. This is assuming 1 character beyond main.

This doesn't include the mask, the pets, or the panther.

And, also, you get the expansion itself. The cheapest expansion is $30, and gives you one free lesser tome (900 points).

[Krago]

You will soon see all these items in the DDO store for individual purchase. They are too big of sellers not to consider the $$ they would bring in. This will be to snag all us that bough the base back because we already had the expansions.

[zwiebelring]

we demand a pre-order pack for us premium who spend few hundred dollars purchase everything there is to buy!!

it is not fair that we have to pay for the stuff(pack and vet) that we already bought!!! turbine please consider!

The collector's pack is worth it for premium accounts given some conditions:

- you have at least or more than 4 toons

- you plan on TRing all of them regularly

Buying the collector's edition grants Tomes of Learning for each toon even if you just get one greater you'll profit from the lesser for each other character.

Now compare the stated Tome price and Druid class (it was posted somewhere) calculate the amount of TP you must spend if you add a single Tome of Learning after you bought a lower priced package as well as the Druid class and I am very sure you end up spending more money for buying TPs again and again than spending the money now and get everything you need.

If you have fewer than 4 toons I think a lower priced package is more than suitable.

After all:
having a premium account I demand no customized pre-order for premium accounts.

[Expalphalog]

Its readable drop grammer police.

I am not the grammar police. I do not pretend to have perfect grammar, nor do I ever correct the grammar of others except in cases where a damaging misunderstanding is potentially imminent. I did not correct the kid, nor did I even point out his mistakes. I simply hypothesized that it might be a contributing factor to his negative rep.

Clearly however this one small section of sentence is distracting from the rest of my post, so it will be edited out. I apologize for any offense caused.

oh and i suggest to read "pride and prejudice" in your spare time, hopefully you will learn something from it.

I know it well, and fail to see the relevance. I am also still not understanding how you think that this is morally wrong. It's a pretty wild accusation to go from "this is not the best deal for me personally" to "this is morally unjust."

[decease]

I know it well, and fail to see the relevance. I am also still not understanding how you think that this is morally wrong. It's a pretty wild accusation to go from "this is not the best deal for me personally" to "this is morally unjust."

i don't really want to discuss it anymore.. it may lead to further loss of reputation. but since you asked.


first there are no such things as "good" or "bad" deal, it is all depend on how and whom you compare it with. nothing could change the fact that most premium who desire to get druid by June are forced to pay for certain things they already own. it is like buying a bundle of movie disc in store, the movie you already own will be taken out from the package while price remain unchanged. would you like this?


second, as i state from beginning. true, am a premium player, but this really have nothing to do with me. because i bought CE first moment i saw it release. therefor even turbine release a new option for vip/premium it will not benefit me in any of the way. am just doing this because i believe that they shouldn't punish premium/vip for their support in the past. and now i get my reward for doing so--- -11 reputation XD

[Expalphalog]

first there are no such things as "good" or "bad" deal, it is all depend on how and whom you compare it with. nothing could change the fact that most premium who desire to get druid by June are forced to pay for certain things they already own. it is like buying a bundle of movie disc in store, the movie you already own will be taken out from the package while price remain unchanged. would you like this?


second, as i state from beginning. true, am a premium player, but this really have nothing to do with me. because i bought CE first moment i saw it release. therefor even turbine release a new option for vip/premium it will not benefit me in any of the way. am just doing this because i believe that they shouldn't punish premium/vip for their support in the past. and now i get my reward for doing so--- -11 reputation XD

Again, I am sorry for your rep loss. I promise you that none of that was from me. The above quoted post is perfectly rational and it is difficult to disagree with it. I'm not sure that "most" premium players already owned those packs, but I'm not going to miss the forest for the trees and ignore your entire argument based on one word of possible contention.

I am still curious though why you referenced "Pride and Prejudice." If it was intended as an insult, feel free to PM me about it so that you don't have to worry about further negative rep or moderator attention. I won't be offended, I'm just curious. I've only read it once and that was years ago, but since it is my wife's favorite story, I have to sit through one of the myriad film versions at least once every few months.

[Illethian]

I go premium tonite, err tomorrow. I have no packs so this is awesome for me. I also took advantage of the 11,000 point offer and will now have pretty much everything i want. I already own fvs drow and arti. I guess its all about the timing. Sorry you didnt get what you wanted but this is gonna work out fine for me.

[TekkenDevil]

LOL, you feel like Collector is a rip off as a Premium, just wait till you become VIP, then you will truly have no idea why anyone would buy it. I certainly don't.

Half it's content would be available to me to begin with for my monthly payment. I'd have to pay full price for only half the content in the collectors edition, PLUS the monthly fees? It's not like I get a 2nd copy of something as I would when ordering a physical package. I'd be literally paying twice for the same digital content. Yeah no, I suddenly don't want that Panther anymore.