I am in the works of making my own Fighter build. I plan for him to be a full, level twenty Fighter. I want him to be your classic tank using only S&B. I know the basis of what feats I should take and what my stats should be. I know what skills to take. I just need a little more insight on when I take certain feats and why.
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03-08-2012, 03:29 PM #1Community Member
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Fluffy's fighter build - need help
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03-08-2012, 03:30 PM #2Community Member
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03-08-2012, 04:17 PM #3Community Member
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03-08-2012, 04:20 PM #4Community Member
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Asketes, I await eagerly for your response. Thank you for giving me something to at least look forward to. I will put up what I have once I put it down on my planner.
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03-08-2012, 04:40 PM #5Build Constructionist
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Q: What do you call a tank who fights "only" S&B? Originally Posted by Fluffysaurus
A: A tank who's wasting his potential 80% of the time.
There are times when AC is unnecessary. There are times when AC is useless. There are times when killing something ASAP is more important than avoiding being hit. There are times when you lose aggro because the sorc just critted the boss and the only way to regain aggro is to switch to full-DPS mode.
For those times and others, it's important for every tank to be good at offense as well as defense, IMHO; which is why all of my tank builds are specced for THF or TWF as well as tanking.Semi-retired Build Engineer. Everything was better back in our day. Get off my lawn.
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03-08-2012, 04:57 PM #6Community Member
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Well just so you know, I've had a fairly successful TWF Stalwart Defender.. (not anywhere close to epic or hard+ shavarath worthy) but just about everything else my toon sat at a solid 75-85 AC with TWF. Originally Posted by Fluffysaurus
Asketes, I await eagerly for your response. Thank you for giving me something to at least look forward to. I will put up what I have once I put it down on my planner.
S&B bores me personally but I'm sure I can put something together
I've been out of the game for a few months (just came back this week) so I'm going to read up on some of the mechanic changes I heard about but most of the stuff for stalwart is the same iirc.(Perma) - Khyber - Official Helpers Guild Noob
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03-08-2012, 05:08 PM #7Community Member
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You can make a good S&B tank but you dont have to be S&B all the time mate, you can use TWF or THF while not tanking a boss for the extra very good dps.
Here is a 32 pt Build I did:
I went with UMD for obvious reasons to be able to use heal scrolls, GH, TS, raise Dead Scrolls and more, with a +6 Cha item, ships buffs (even a +4 tome) and GS CHA item you can have a UMD somewhere around 32-34 - heal scroll is 40 UMD.Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.12.01 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male (20 Fighter) Hit Points: 414 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 20\20\25\30\30 Fortitude: 16 Reflex: 10 Will: 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 15 26 Dexterity 16 18 Constitution 15 18 Intelligence 11 13 Wisdom 8 10 Charisma 11 13 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 5 15.5 Bluff 0 1 Concentration 2 4 Diplomacy 0 1 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle 0 1 Heal -1 0 Hide 3 4 Intimidate 4 45 Jump 2 21 Listen -1 0 Move Silently 3 4 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair 0 1 Search 0 1 Spot -1 0 Swim 2 8 Tumble n/a n/a Use Magic Device 2 15 Level 1 (Fighter) Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Sentinel Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting Level 2 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack Level 3 (Fighter) Feat: (Selected) Bullheaded Level 4 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge Level 5 (Fighter) Level 6 (Fighter) Feat: (Selected) Lesser Dragonmark of Sentinel Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery Level 7 (Fighter) Level 8 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Level 9 (Fighter) Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate Level 10 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh Level 11 (Fighter) Level 12 (Fighter) Feat: (Selected) Greater Dragonmark of Sentinel Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting Level 13 (Fighter) Level 14 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting Level 15 (Fighter) Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device Level 16 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Bash Level 17 (Fighter) Level 18 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Mastery Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 19 (Fighter) Level 20 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost II Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost III Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender I Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender II Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender III Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II Enhancement: Deneith Intimidation I Enhancement: Deneith Intimidation II Enhancement: Deneith Intimidation III Enhancement: Deneith Intimidation IV Enhancement: Human Versatility I Enhancement: Human Versatility II Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense II Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II Enhancement: Improved Intimidate III Enhancement: Improved Intimidate IV Enhancement: Fighter Strength I Enhancement: Fighter Strength II Enhancement: Fighter Strength III Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV
Feats are to bascially be the best S&B defender I can, shield bashing mixed with intim to hold aggro. Then as many HPS as I can get is why I took toughness 3-4 times.....
With some easy gear you can have good incite and intim and healing amp...
I.E.: leviks shield, Leviks Bracers, GS Kopesh - MIN II, +15 intim item, Cinders band and Stalwart necklace (+2 ac and 15% incite). Good gear but not to difficult to obtain...I feel at home in the darkness, when its just me and my blades...when the hunter takes over!
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03-08-2012, 05:09 PM #8Community Member
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Asketes, that is perfectly fine. I am willing to accept all the help I can get. And about the S&B, I found out THF gives a boost to Bastard Swords, so I guess I'll be using some THF for DPS. I do plan on remaking this build with a TWF variant after I've gotten the groove of the game.
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03-08-2012, 05:20 PM #9Community Member
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Thank you very much for this outline. Originally Posted by smithj_2020
I do not have access to either tomes or 32 pts build. Yet. I'm working on it. haha
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03-08-2012, 05:26 PM #10Community Member
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Yup! Bastard swords are an exceptionally easy way to gear a melee. They are easy to come by and do some decent damage. Originally Posted by Fluffysaurus
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03-08-2012, 05:36 PM #11Community Member
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Ok I was wondering that, drop INT to 8 and CHA to 10 ( so you don't have any minuses to Intim), you'll eventually get your hand on some tomes, they are not needed for anything(accept of you wanna get CE). Originally Posted by Fluffysaurus
Thank you very much for this outline. I do not have access to either tomes or 32 pts build. Yet. I'm working on it. haha
But those are the feats and things you will want to do for a S&B build.
Also you'll have less Skill Points so just out them in intim and balance, forget UMD until you get access to 32 but by then you can TR and have 34, increase your stats all the more!
I feel at home in the darkness, when its just me and my blades...when the hunter takes over!
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03-08-2012, 05:53 PM #12Community Member
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I have a feeling I already need to remake my character. My charisma isn't as high as I'd like it to be.
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03-08-2012, 06:12 PM #13Community Member
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Well what is your CHA score when you created it....what race did you go....if you started with an 8 score that isnt too bad, you can still obtain a pretty descent intim score. Originally Posted by Fluffysaurus
Intim can be boosted by the following:
GS cha item +6
Intim item +15
CHA item +6
all of the intim enhancements (denieth and improve intim)
Bullheaded - +2 intim
SF intimidate - +3 intim
Least Dragon mark of sentinel - +2
All of those boost your intim: 40 points, before ship buffs and GH which is another 5 points= 45...
So if you maxed intim at level 1 it would be 3 + 1 skill pt every level = 22
22 + 45 (all those items, and feats)= 67.
Thats good enough for no fail on:
VoD- Hard
Hound- norm (69 is no fail, close enough)
ToD - Hard
Demon Queen - Elite
So just work on some AC gear - dodge item tharrak Bracers, Leviks Shield, DT armor (protection +5, Heightened Awareness) etc.....good AC coupled with shield bash and intim you be good.I feel at home in the darkness, when its just me and my blades...when the hunter takes over!
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03-08-2012, 07:42 PM #14Community Member
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Here's a newbie friendly Tank build from Arshan: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=358365
A few things you should know:
1. AC is useful for leveling. You'll get a high bang for buck. Hard to gear for a first char though.
2. For Epics, which most people consider the end game, AC is very, very, very hard and expensive to acquire and get to just working levels. Most people plan for Epic efficiency, which means hate+heal amp+damage reduction, not building for ac except for nonepic quests/raids.
3. For first char, first life, 28 pt builds, no tomes, it's going to be very difficult to get all your stats where they need to be to be an effective tank. For the skill points for Intimidate, UMD, and Balance you'll need a high(relatively, for a fighter) Int, you'll need a decent amount of Cha(and a few expensive items) for Intim and UMD. You'll also need a decent Str and Con. 16str/10dex/16con/10int/8wis/12cha seems like a good compromise, although keep in mind I didn't stick a whole build in a planner, so I don't know if it gets you what you need.
4. Also, get a +1/2 Int tome, whether your base int is odd or even, as soon as possible so you can squeeze out the max skill points possible. (+1 Int Tome is ml3, +2 is ml7) The other stat tomes can wait since they don't have a permanent detriment on your char whether you use them at lvl7 or lvl20, but using an Int Tome at 18 means you get 2 more skill points, while at 7 you get 13 more skill points to play around with, big difference.
5. Intimidate is THE skill for tanks, as you know. Right now, the toughest raid, epic Lord of Blades, requires a level of 83 for no-fail on Lord of Blades(the boss). Epic Lailat requires 79(I think). You won't get the gear needed for this level until well after you get to level 20.
6. If you're set on going with making a first life/char tank, I'd suggest making it a Dwarf since you get Dwarven Waraxe proficiency(also works with two handed fighting feats in the same way that Bastard swords work) automatically, so that and the proficiency feat for greataxes(going THF line), and dwarf enhancements for axes, will help consolidate some power. But know that Heal Amp is an extremely strong attribute right now, and you get racial heal amp with Human and Half-elf, which are the more popular tanking races right now because of this and other reasons.
7. Consider splashing 2 Rog for evasion(get a good reflex save) and allowing you to put 2 points into balance and UMD each level, which allows you to get 23 ranks base instead of 11. (With enough skill points from a high enough Int) For UMD, 23 ranks, +6 Cha skills Greensteel item, +4 from +6 Cha stat item and base cha of 12, +1 from +2 Cha tome, is 34 UMD already. With Greater Heroism(there are clickies, scrolls that you can UMD, Arcanes pass it out religiously in endgame) that's 38, then you get +1 Good luck or some other boost(Skill Focus:UMD, +UMD item to swap to like Golden Cartouche, etc) to get 39+, and you get Heal scrolls, Raise dead scrolls, and other nice toys.
8. Some items you should keep in mind: Green Steel items(weapons, accessories-USE A PLANNER, when it comes to it...), Epic Brawn's Spirit, Epic Chimera's Fang, Epic Templar's Justice/Retribution
9. Read GuntherBovine's Making Money guide. Some things are outdated, prices and such, but it'll give you a good outline and what to look out for so you have a headstart with making plat for getting all the ingredients and various things to gear your character out faster. Wish I knew about this when I started.
10. DDOwiki.com. For all your general, if not always up-to-date, DDO information.
I'm pretty new also, but from reading on here, asking multiple experienced players, looking into making a tank myself, and just playing the game, this is some info I've gathered. Good luck to you.
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Forgot to say, going THF over TWF removes the necessity of needing a high base dex, which is especially relevant for a 28 pt build.Last edited by HalfORCastrator; 03-08-2012 at 07:53 PM.
ME BARB, ME SMA-ok I stand here with pretty blue lines around me. ok I take damage. ok bye.
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03-08-2012, 08:33 PM #15Community Member
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I looked at the guides and read everyone's post. Let me repeat this again: I do not have access to p2p content. Any of it. I just started. I'm going with just having fun and getting equipment for now. I want to be good enough to do most content. I don't mind if I can't get that one raid at the end called eLOB. I'd like to get everything under it, though. I don't want to be the best. Just good enough. Once I get there, I'll start getting tomes, access to adventure packs, and 32 pt builds. I'll worry about all of that when I get there. I just want to be the best I can be right now.
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I'm current level two. I've decided to go THF - S&B switch. I'm a human.Last edited by Fluffysaurus; 03-08-2012 at 08:39 PM.
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03-08-2012, 09:00 PM #16Community Member
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Then don't ask such specific questions. The only reason S&B tanks exist is to run those quests, plus maybe Tower of Despiar and maybe even Hound of Xoriat (each raid sold separately). There is not one single f2p quest where you should ever use sword and board (unless you are a cleric). Originally Posted by Fluffysaurus
Stick to a known good build. Kill saughin and take their stuff. The only thing you can do about end game is to stick to a build that will work there. Worrying about tanking is only going to make sure you never get close to level 19 raids.
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03-08-2012, 09:08 PM #17Community Member
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Your response was rather rude. What if I want to roleplay a bit? What if I want to try and see for myself? I asked a question to learn. If I don't, I won't learn and I'll be at level twenty with a weak character. I was only emphasizing that I do not have access to p2p content yet. I am going to get there. I will eventually make one of those characters. For now, I'm piddling around with my character. I'm learning. Originally Posted by yawumpus
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03-08-2012, 09:29 PM #18Community Member
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You must be new here. Originally Posted by Fluffysaurus
You're planning for the future, this means us talking about the P2P stuff.
First pack you get should be Vale of Twilight. A succession of packs that are good for leveling and loot are Delera's Graveyard(Carnifex, among other things, good weapon from 4 until lvl9-12, depending on when you choose Imp Crit: Slashing), Ruins of Gianthold(Good xp, lot of favor for more tp, many quests), Vale of Twilight(great xp, the best loot you'll have for a LONG while), Devils of Shavarath(Great loot, xp, possible +4 tomes). Necro 2 is good inbetween Delera's and Gianthold. If there's only one pack you buy though, it's Vale of Twilight.
There's also Reaver's Refuge for relatively easy 10/20% Heal amp armor.
But for F2P, keep in mind the two I mentioned earlier, Templar's Justice/Retribution, from the new F2P epic-available chain, Spinner of Shadows. Good weapons for lvl16, and when made epic, lvl20.ME BARB, ME SMA-ok I stand here with pretty blue lines around me. ok I take damage. ok bye.
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03-08-2012, 11:59 PM #19Community Member
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Originally Posted by Fluffysaurus
Get used to that man, giving opinions or asking questions can sometimes get harsh answers haha.I feel at home in the darkness, when its just me and my blades...when the hunter takes over!
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03-09-2012, 09:52 AM #20Build Constructionist
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Well, you've seen my Sentinel Squire. I should really update it - in particular adding the shield feats - but it's good enough to start with, I think. Ask away if you have concerns, but... Originally Posted by Fluffysaurus
If you think that's rude, never wade into a THF vs TWF debate. Originally Posted by Fluffysaurus
Even people who mean well can be a bit, err, brusque around here. Just try to develop a thick skin and learn to separate the wheat from the chaff.Semi-retired Build Engineer. Everything was better back in our day. Get off my lawn.
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