YA10kSAA - Yet Another 10k Stars Arcane Archer

[karl_k0ch]

This build split is a deliberate rip-off from w_o_w_o.

The aim of this thread is twofold:

• Are there any suggestions on the leveling order, skills, and stat spread? Also, is Improved Sunder a reasonable feat choice? (This is the reason why I take PA in the first place. Other suggestions for the level 15 and level 18 feat would be nice as well.)
• Which kind of items should I get before TRing her? In particular, where should I slot the GS HP? Cloak Slot?

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Elf Female
(6 Monk \ 11 Ranger \ 3 Artificer) 
Hit Points: 286
Spell Points: 590 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 15
Will: 18

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    16
Dexterity            14                    14
Constitution         15                    16
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom               16                    24
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    15
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         6                    26
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                  3                     7
Hide                  2                     4
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  7                    10
Listen                3                     7
Move Silently         2                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   3
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                  7                    30
Swim                  3                     3
Tumble                3                     5
Use Magic Device      1                    23

Level 1 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 3 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 4 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Spot (+3)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw


Level 7 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 9 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Zen Archery


Level 10 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 11 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 13 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 14 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge


Level 15 (Artificer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 16 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 17 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 19 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist


Level 20 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Improved Use Magic Device I
Enhancement: Artificer Energy of Creation I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Artificer Wand and Scroll Mastery I

I deliberately chose the route of no traps. You could also raise Int, dump Spot and juggle around to get search and disable device to a reasonable level.
Possible due to the version of the planner I was using, Artificer Energy of Creation did not qualifiy for Elven AA. Please read the level 18 feat as Improved Sunder.

Edit. After a conversation with Shataan (a 10k Stars Kensai Archer player, whose opinion I value very much), I decided to do a build which is a bit more experimental. Essentially, I give up 4 feats which wouldn't help me much because I don't melee much anyway (PA, SF, IS, Quickdraw), and take a bunch of toughnesses, allowing me to direct some build points from Con to Int.
The ranks of the skills at cap are: 23 UMD, 23 Disable Device, 22 Search, 22 Spot, 22 Concentration.

12 Con isn't as bad as it looks, as this build has actually more HP than the no-trap version above:

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Elf Female
(6 Monk \ 11 Ranger \ 3 Artificer) 
Hit Points: 304
Spell Points: 429 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 15
Will: 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    16
Dexterity            14                    14
Constitution         12                    12
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom               16                    21
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               2                     2
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         4                    23
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        5                    25
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                  3                     5
Hide                  2                     2
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  3                     3
Listen                3                     5
Move Silently         2                     2
Open Lock             3                     4
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                5                    24
Spot                  7                    27
Swim                  3                     3
Tumble                n/a                   3
Use Magic Device      3                    22

Level 1 (Artificer)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Elemental


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)


Level 9 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
Feat: (Selected) Zen Archery


Level 10 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)


Level 11 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 13 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge


Level 15 (Artificer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 16 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 17 (Monk)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 20 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)

HP breakdown for the second build, with mediocre gear:
20 heroic
10 draconic
88 ranger
48 monk
18 arty
110 toughness feats
30 racial toughness
20 toughness item
30 gfl
45 gs hp item
120 con 22 = 12 base + 6 item + 2 tome + 1 enh + 1 profane/exceptional/tome/+7enhancement
----
539 pre-rage, shippie, madstone.

[karl_k0ch]

And a third try, now with monk further at the front. Even with slightly more skill points than the initial trapper version.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Elf Female
(6 Monk \ 11 Ranger \ 3 Artificer) 
Hit Points: 304
Spell Points: 429 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 15
Will: 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    16
Dexterity            14                    14
Constitution         12                    12
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom               16                    21
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               2                     3
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         4                    24
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        5                    25
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                  3                     5
Hide                  2                     2
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  3                     4
Listen                3                     5
Move Silently         2                     2
Open Lock             3                     3
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                5                    25
Spot                  7                    27
Swim                  3                     3
Tumble                n/a                   3
Use Magic Device      3                    22

Level 1 (Artificer)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Construct Mastery
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Scrolls
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Great Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Repeating Heavy Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Repeating Light Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Mixed Heritage
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Social Graces (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Inscribe Artificer Scroll
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Reload
Feat: (Automatic) Revive Iron Defender
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Feat: (Automatic) Unleash Iron Defender


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike


Level 5 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation


Level 6 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Search (+1.5)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Harmonious Balance (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Inevitable Dominion (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Still Mind


Level 7 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Magic
Feat: (Automatic) Slow Fall


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage
Feat: (Automatic) Purity of Body


Level 9 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 10 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Potions
Feat: (Automatic) Rune Arm Use


Level 11 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 13 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 14 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 15 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Wild Empathy


Level 16 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)


Level 17 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)


Level 18 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Precise Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot


Level 20 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Wands

Edit: As w_o_w_o pointed out, trading some Dex for Con can also work.

[wax_on_wax_off]

I like the third level progression. Once you get 10k stars you can start on a close to 3/4 time ranged style which should minimise missing out on GTWF. IPS would seem less valuable than 10k stars.

I'm not sure I'd want to drop SF. So easy to have a 50+ stunning fist DC depending on gear and wisdom which gives you a really nice option to swap to handwraps and stun a mob that has aggroed on you rather than kiting it (like a tool) or - in the case of epics - possibly dying.

For GF HP I'm planning on the Belt slot for my MinII, cloak is too nice for Wretched Twilight as a source of sneak attack (or to swap to Epic Envenomed for tanking).

This is my full planned layout:
Equipment:
Head: Epic Helm of Mroranon
Gloves: Epic Gloves of the Claw
Cloak: Wretched Twilight
Boots: Madstone Boots
Trinket: Epic Gem of Many Facets
Bracers: Windhowler Bracers
Belt: GS MinII +45 HP Belt
Necklace: Gilvaenor's Necklace
Goggles: Epic Raven's Sight
Armour: Epic Frozen Tunic (toughness)
Ring1: Epic Ring of the Stalker
Ring2: Gilvaenor's Ring (+2 exceptional strength)
Weapons: Epic Bow of Earth, Epic Thornlord, LitII GS Bow, Earth/Water Alchemical Bow

This is only a "first slot" layout, I already have multiple epic items per slot for the character and I'm quite accustomed to swapping gear around for the situation (particularly for AC tanking as an example).

Edit: Drop dex to 12 and increase con to 14 for -1 reflex save but +20 HP.

[karl_k0ch]

5 Toughness feats are certainly a lot, and I guess you could easily drop one for a different feat, such as SF. The breakdown in the OP shows we have plenty.

Edit: Drop dex to 12 and increase con to 14 for -1 reflex save but +20 HP.

How does the Rogue dilly interact with 12 Base Dex and a tome?
How does Wind2 interact with 12 Base Dex and a tome?
I don't know the answer to these questions, and I'd rather err on the safe side. Any answer is much appreciated.


In any case, even 13 Dex, 13 Con could provide more HP, depending on gear and tomes, that's true.

[Gulain]

5 Toughness feats are certainly a lot, and I guess you could easily drop one for a different feat, such as SF. The breakdown in the OP shows we have plenty.

How does the Rogue dilly interact with 12 Base Dex and a tome?
How does Wind2 interact with 12 Base Dex and a tome?
I don't know the answer to these questions, and I'd rather err on the safe side. Any answer is much appreciated.


In any case, even 13 Dex, 13 Con could provide more HP, depending on gear and tomes, that's true.

The wind2 will work... you can qualify for monk stance enhancements based on inherent boosts from Tomes.

However, the Rogue Dilly would not be selectable without at least 13 base dex. +1 tomes don't affect you until level 3 and Dille is required to be taken at level 1.

[wax_on_wax_off]

The wind2 will work... you can qualify for monk stance enhancements based on inherent boosts from Tomes.

However, the Rogue Dilly would not be selectable without at least 13 base dex. +1 tomes don't affect you until level 3 and Dille is required to be taken at level 1.

I have been told that you can swap it in after eating a +1 tome but haven't tried it. If you have a spare +1 tome you can easily test this with a veteran character.

[Gulain]

I have been told that you can swap it in after eating a +1 tome but haven't tried it. If you have a spare +1 tome you can easily test this with a veteran character.

I would have to test it as well, however I know this one fact to be true about feat swap:

You cannot swap a feat later in level for one you took earlier if you do not qualify for the feat at that original level. The stats that you have at the time you swap is irrelevant... what matters is your stats for the level that the feat was selected. Since a tome doesn't apply at level 1 I still believe you wouldn't qualify for Rogue Dille.

It may be the case that you are able to bypass this with Half-Elf Dille but I know it certaintly doesn't work with things like CE, Dodge, etc. that have stat requirements you don't fufill.

Seems to me like something to test out on PTR...... not worth wasting tomes on live.

edit: clarification in wording.

[wax_on_wax_off]

I would have to test it as well, however I know this one fact to be true about feat swap:

You cannot swap a feat later in level for one you took earlier if you do not qualify for the feat at that original level. The stats that you have at the time you swap is irrelevant... what matters is your stats for the level that the feat was selected. Since a tome doesn't apply at level 1 I still believe you wouldn't qualify for Rogue Dille.

It may be the case that you are able to bypass this with Half-Elf Dille but I know it certaintly doesn't work with things like CE, Dodge, etc. that have stat requirements you don't fufill.

Seems to me like something to test out on PTR...... not worth wasting tomes on live.

edit: clarification in wording.

I understood it to work this way as well. However, I've heard consistently that it doesn't apply to dilettante feat.

[karl_k0ch]

I have been told that you can swap it in after eating a +1 tome but haven't tried it. If you have a spare +1 tome you can easily test this with a veteran character.

I have a spare +1 tome, but I am out of character slots on my main server. Maybe someone else can do it?

[wax_on_wax_off]

I have a spare +1 tome, but I am out of character slots on my main server. Maybe someone else can do it?

I realised that my half-elf rogue started with 12 intelligence and ate a +2 int tome. Here are the results:



Now, I'm not going to actually try to swap the feat ... but it seems to work.

[karl_k0ch]

Using the XP stone, as well as the +35% xp boost, I decided to TR my pure Ranger with the least possible effort. I came up with the following, which will use Crossbows from 1 to 7, and bows starting at 15 (having 16 banked).

Any comments?

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Elf Female
(6 Monk \ 11 Ranger \ 3 Artificer) 
Hit Points: 260
Spell Points: 429 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 15
Will: 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    16
Dexterity            14                    14
Constitution         12                    12
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom               16                    21
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               2                     2
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         1                    24
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        5                    25
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                  3                     5
Hide                  2                     2
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  3                     3
Listen                3                     5
Move Silently         2                     2
Open Lock             6                     6
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                5                    25
Spot                  7                    26
Swim                  3                     3
Tumble                n/a                   3
Use Magic Device      3                    22

Level 1 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Elemental
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery


Level 9 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+1)


Level 10 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)


Level 11 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 13 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 14 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Precision


Level 16 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)


Level 17 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)


Level 18 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: Toughness
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 19 (Artificer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)


Level 20 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)

HP breakdown:
88 11 Ranger
48 6 monk
18 3 arty
66 3 tougnesses
20 Racial Toughness
100 (12 con + 6 item + 2 tome = 20 con, i.e. +5 per level)
20 Heroic Durability
10 Draconic Vitality
30 GFL
20 Minos
---
420 HP.

Edit: I missed the feats at 9 and 11. Add dodge and +22 HP at 20.

[karl_k0ch]

And a revisited version for a guildie of mine. Some toughness feats can be switched for other stuff.

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Elf Female
(6 Monk \ 11 Ranger \ 3 Artificer) 
Hit Points: 302
Spell Points: 501 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 14
Will: 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    16
Dexterity            13                    13
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         13                    16
Wisdom               16                    21
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               1                     5
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         6                    25
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        5                    26
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                  3                     5
Hide                  1                     1
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  3                     8
Listen                3                     5
Move Silently         1                     1
Open Lock             5                     5
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     3
Search                5                    26
Spot                  3                    28
Swim                  3                     3
Tumble                n/a                   2
Use Magic Device      3                    22

Level 1 (Artificer)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+1)


Level 6 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
Feat: (Selected) Precision


Level 7 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 9 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 10 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+4)


Level 11 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 13 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 14 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 15 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 16 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)


Level 17 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Elf


Level 18 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Artificer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)


Level 20 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)