What is the better choice with 12/6/2

[minos55]

Hello, i'm near a choice where i have to decide if i would go 12 monk/6 ranger/2 fighter or 12 ranger/6 monk/2 fighter or maybe 11 ranger/7 monk/2 fighter

with the last 2 options I would have alot more hp, but for the expense of less stance power with the 1. option i would have less hp but stances to lvl 3 what would be a good choice? kinda can't figure it out myself

[unbongwah]

If would help if you stated your build goals. Is this a YAM (Yet Another Monkcher)? What weapon(s) are you planning on using? [I'd guess handwraps from all those monk levels, but people can surprise you.] Which PrE(s) did you want? Etc.

[minos55]

sorry my bad, forgot to paste the builds: here are the 2 builds, weapons are going to be bow and handraps, maybe swords, don't know quite yet for melee weapons, but bow is defenetly going to be a weapon choice cause i TR my AA

the builds aren't build in the right order yet, I just threw them together so that i see how it looks in endgame.

(2 Fighter \ 12 Monk \ 6 Ranger)

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Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Elf Male
(2 Fighter \ 12 Monk \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 316
Spell Points: 235 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 23
Reflex: 24
Will: 17

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 22                   23
Dexterity            16                 19                   23
Constitution         15                 18                   18
Intelligence          8                 10                   10
Wisdom               14                 16                   18
Charisma              8                 10                   10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    10
Bluff                -1                     0
Concentration         6                    26
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                1                     8
Heal                  2                     4
Hide                  5                    28
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  7                    26
Listen                2                     4
Move Silently         5                    24
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                  2                     4
Swim                  3                     6
Tumble                5                    12
Use Magic Device     n/a                    n/a

{\b {\ul Notable Equipment }} \par Epic Cloak of Night \par Gilvaenor's Ring \par Gilvaenor's Necklace \par Epic Brawling Gloves \par Epic Treasure Hunter's Spyglass \par Epic Golden Greaves \par Icy Raiment \par Armored Bracers \par Tharne's Goggles \par Morgana's Ring \par Morgana's Belt \par Supreme Tyrant Green Steel Helm of Mineral \par  \par Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot


Level 7 (Ranger)


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: CON


Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 10 (Ranger)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 12 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 13 (Monk)


Level 14 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 16 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Monk)


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Monk)


Level 20 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Improved Cleric Dilettante I
Enhancement: Improved Cleric Dilettante II
Enhancement: Improved Cleric Dilettante III
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey II
Enhancement: Touch of Death
Enhancement: Porous Soul
Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy II
Enhancement: Winter's Touch
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Master of Stone
Enhancement: Adept of Flame
Enhancement: Master of Bonfires
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I

and here is the second build
(2 Fighter \ 7 Monk \ 11 Ranger) or (2 Fighter \ 6 Monk \ 12 Ranger) the only difrence would be that i get some self healing with lvl 7 monk

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Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Elf Male
(2 Fighter \ 7 Monk \ 11 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 404
Spell Points: 330 
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 22
Reflex: 24
Will: 15

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 21                   22
Dexterity            16                 20                   25
Constitution         15                 18                   18
Intelligence          8                 10                   10
Wisdom               14                 16                   18
Charisma              8                 10                   10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                     9
Bluff                -1                     0
Concentration         2                     4
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle               -1                     2
Heal                  2                     4
Hide                  3                     9
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  3                     8
Listen                2                     4
Move Silently         3                     7
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                  2                     4
Swim                  3                     6
Tumble                3.5                   9.5
Use Magic Device     n/a                    n/a

{\b {\ul Notable Equipment }} \par Epic Cloak of Night \par Gilvaenor's Necklace \par Gilvaenor's Ring \par Epic Brawling Gloves \par Epic Treasure Hunter's Spyglass \par Epic Golden Greaves \par Icy Raiment \par Armored Bracers \par Tharne's Goggles \par Morgana's Ring \par Morgana's Belt \par Supreme Tyrant Green Steel Helm of Mineral \par  \par Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Zen Archery


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 10 (Ranger)


Level 11 (Ranger)


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 13 (Ranger)


Level 14 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 16 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 17 (Monk)


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 20 (Monk)
Ability Raise: CON
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey II
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Winter's Touch
Enhancement: Adept of Flame
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity III
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I

[MagicalDad]

I have pretty much decided to go for the 12 monk / 6 ranger / 2 fighter HElf. That way I can get max amount of feats and benefits from master stances. My main dilemma is about enhancements, because there are SO many things to try and fit in:

1. Which master stances are best? Was thinking of Water (for the Wisdom) and Earth (for the Crit multiplier) ...
2. Is Touch of Death a worthy investment for a toon that will only melee 1/2 the time?
3. Is dex a really worthwhile investment? I mean, it needs to get to 19 for IPS, and with a +7 item (epic bucc. ring) I and ship buffs, will have 28 - since I don't use it for my archery, don't really see why I need any enh. points into it ..

Also wondering about the best possible progression to get to 20. Here is a VERY preliminary build - will be able to hit about 500hp w/ rage and ship buffs, but the Stunning Fist DC will only be in upper 30's with handwraps, not sure how sufficient that is.

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Elsir 
Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Elf Female
(2 Fighter \ 12 Monk \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 306
Spell Points: 280 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 19
Will: 17

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    16
Dexterity            16                    23
Constitution         15                    17
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom               16                    24
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7


Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 7 (Ranger)


Level 8 (Ranger)


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 10 (Monk)


Level 11 (Monk)


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 13 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Precise Shot


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Precise Shot


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Monk)


Level 17 (Monk)


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 19 (Monk)


Level 20 (Monk)
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Improved Cleric Dilettante I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy II
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Master of Thunder
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Master of Stone
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I

Hello, i'm near a choice where i have to decide if i would go 12 monk/6 ranger/2 fighter or 12 ranger/6 monk/2 fighter or maybe 11 ranger/7 monk/2 fighter

with the last 2 options I would have alot more hp, but for the expense of less stance power with the 1. option i would have less hp but stances to lvl 3 what would be a good choice? kinda can't figure it out myself

[Kinerd]

If you are a monkcher, you are going to be using Zen Archery, so Dex is (largely) useless.
However, your best combat feats have very high Dex requirements: 17 for GTWF and Manyshot, 19(!!) for IPS, so 11+ ranger.
However however, Earth stance really takes off at tier 3, so 12 monk.

I was more annoyed by spending on Dex for no reason, so I went with 11+ ranger. If you are more annoyed at missing out on Earth stance 3 (and Improved Evasion and etc.), go 12 monk.

[voodoogroves]

I'm going more-ranger on mine's first life. I'll wait until later lives to go more monk after I get some TOD rings. The ability to ignore DEX even more is handy on the first life too.

[minos55]

yeah that's the thing with my tod ring i have +9dex so 19+9+ench is 34 dex in the end

[toapat]

If you are a monkcher, you are going to be using Zen Archery, so Dex is (largely) useless.
However, your best combat feats have very high Dex requirements: 17 for GTWF and Manyshot, 19(!!) for IPS, so 11+ ranger.
However however, Earth stance really takes off at tier 3, so 12 monk.

I was more annoyed by spending on Dex for no reason, so I went with 11+ ranger. If you are more annoyed at missing out on Earth stance 3 (and Improved Evasion and etc.), go 12 monk.

I personally disdain the 12 monk level varient, sure, it lets you get 3d6 sneak attack dice, but an 11 ranger/6 monk/3 rogue build would grant you 4d6 sneak dice, while only needing a 12 base dex to get wind 2.

Earth 3: The fact that you absolutely ruin the value of both dexterity (17 base dex required, +2 tome and -2 stance penalty) and wisdom (low wisdom) for bow accuracy can hardly justify such a small benefit in damage (effectively +.5 crit multiplier with Silver Longbow, Bow of Sinue, Epic Bow of Elements (Air), Epic Thornlord, and Unwaivering Ardency and IC) You wont benefit too much from Air or Fire stance either, as air stance doesnt effect bows, while fire stance would penalize your accuracy.

Value of 11 Ranger/7 monk vs 12 ranger/6 monk
7 Monk gets you void strike 2, which deals 2d4 force damage. you would use this in conjunction with Fists of Iron and Thousand Stars
12 Ranger on the other hand, gets your barkskin maximized, while being used on a much higher AC build.

[Myrddinman]

I agree with everyone who goes with more Ranger vs. Monk. Ultimately it comes down to your playstyle and how you have fun in the game.

-HElf
Rogue Dilly for 3d6 Sneak Attack, Human Adaptability, Improved Recovery
-11 Ranger (for all those free feats w/o investing heavy in DEX)
-7 Monk (Probably Ninja Spy I for Shadow Fade and stacking 1d6 to Sneak Attack, Tier II Stance, Improved Recovery II, Wholeness of Body...every bit of healing helps)
-2 Fighter (bonus feats, +1 Strength, Haste Boost)

[wax_on_wax_off]

I wrote up similar builds here.

I much prefer 11 ranger / 6 monk / 3 artificer over any other low dex build. Artificer lets you skip mental toughness (saving a feat), gives you no fail heal scrolls for self healing and full trap skills.

The end build will probably be 12 monk / 6 ranger / 2 fighter or artificer but I'll likely try a few different things in the meantime (like the above build which'll have a really nice exploiterish feel about it).

[minos55]

which build are you refering to?

[Thrudh]

I personally disdain the 12 monk level varient

Two words.

Abundant step.

[Thrudh]

1. Which master stances are best? Was thinking of Water (for the Wisdom) and Earth (for the Crit multiplier) ...
2. Is Touch of Death a worthy investment for a toon that will only melee 1/2 the time?
3. Is dex a really worthwhile investment? I mean, it needs to get to 19 for IPS, and with a +7 item (epic bucc. ring) I and ship buffs, will have 28 - since I don't use it for my archery, don't really see why I need any enh. points into it ..

1. Water and Earth are the two I use
2. I got rid of ToD... costs too many AP, too much Ki, and I didn't use it enough.
3. 19 base with a good item, and you're fine. No need to pump it up anymore.

[Thrudh]

All the different variants are pretty good...

I went with 12/6/2 monk/ranger/fighter because I don't have a monk character, so I wanted to experience more monk levels.

For new players, the 11/7/2 ranger/monk/fighter (or artificer) might be better... I had a +3 Dex tome so I was able to start with a 16 Dex instead of the very expensive build point 17 Dex.

[voodoogroves]

For new players, the 11/7/2 ranger/monk/fighter (or artificer) might be better

This is where I settled on a first life. He may have a TR or two in the future, but for a bow character, that ranger past life is pretty sweet. It makes it more manageable on a 32 pointer; if I ever spin this guy up to 36 point builds I'm sure he'll be more monk or fighter then.

[Lifespawn]

All the different variants are pretty good...

I went with 12/6/2 monk/ranger/fighter because I don't have a monk character, so I wanted to experience more monk levels.

For new players, the 11/7/2 ranger/monk/fighter (or artificer) might be better... I had a +3 Dex tome so I was able to start with a 16 Dex instead of the very expensive build point 17 Dex.

i did the 11 ranger 6 monk 3 arty build and it's amazing 52 stunning fist dc self cast resists self cast cmw for 150+ full trap skills 1d6 of the element of my choice full umd and a nice little cure mass light for 60+ depending on healing amp of targets in oh **** moments.

[Thrudh]

i did the 11 ranger 6 monk 3 arty build and it's amazing 52 stunning fist dc self cast resists self cast cmw for 150+ full trap skills 1d6 of the element of my choice full umd and a nice little cure mass light for 60+ depending on healing amp of targets in oh **** moments.

Hmm.. self-cast healing and full trap skills does sound good...

My archer monk (12/6/2 monk/ranger/fighter) has no good source of self-healing... just silver flame pots, which are terrible in-combat, but fine for between combats.

On the other hand, my guy doesn't get hit a lot, fighting from range, and with displacement and shadow fade when fighting up-close. Plus, he's real good at running away (I should have named him Sir Robin) - monk speed, sprint boost, and abundant step make for a pretty quick character.

[Lifespawn]

Hmm.. self-cast healing and full trap skills does sound good...

My archer monk (12/6/2 monk/ranger/fighter) has no good source of self-healing... just silver flame pots, which are terrible in-combat, but fine for between combats.

On the other hand, my guy doesn't get hit a lot, fighting from range, and with displacement and shadow fade when fighting up-close. Plus, he's real good at running away (I should have named him Sir Robin) - monk speed, sprint boost, and abundant step make for a pretty quick character.

dbl post

[Lifespawn]

Hmm.. self-cast healing and full trap skills does sound good...

My archer monk (12/6/2 monk/ranger/fighter) has no good source of self-healing... just silver flame pots, which are terrible in-combat, but fine for between combats.

On the other hand, my guy doesn't get hit a lot, fighting from range, and with displacement and shadow fade when fighting up-close. Plus, he's real good at running away (I should have named him Sir Robin) - monk speed, sprint boost, and abundant step make for a pretty quick character.

the only thing i do miss a lot is the abundant step boots of propulsion is almost too much of a tease


with less monk levels i do need to melee as i have no passive ki regen but then the stunning fist dc makes it a breeze