Whats with the noobs on this server

[Purgatory]

Thinking its ok to summon a hireling into groups at anytime they feel like it with out asking.


Can we get rid of the greifing mecanic called hireling....

No one should be able to summon a hireling except the party leader or atleast be able to toggle ability to summon them into group on or off.

Im tired of opening lfm to allow people to group with me only to have the 5th person join and then summon a hireling to take the last spot. Screwing someone else that I would let in to the party


This is the rudest most inconsiderate BS I have seen. This is Worse then Shrplz within secs of joining a group and -10% that is sure to follow

[JOTMON]

Must be hirling rage week.. I posted a related thread earlier..

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=364003

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With the new pets and hirlings, I have noticed there are some annoyances when people jump into party and summon their statuette pet while still forming the party. No biggie but once last couple spots are ready to fill the players that summoned the pets are not listening or are afk and their pets are still holing the party spots.

Give the leader the ability to boot these from party, either by click and boot or on the LFM when accepting a new party member have it boot/replace a designated hirling/summons.

Hate having to reform a party during a in progress quest and someone has afk'd with a pet hirling or doesnt want to dismiss their hirling.

Other options..

-Change Onyx summons to a pet style summons so it doesnt take a live character spot.
-Leader approval popup, hirlings require acceptance into the party from the leader.
-A checkbox when I create a party that autobanishes and autoboots the guy who summons the hirling.

[Llewndyn]

I think I posted a thread not too long ago on this very server talking about this very same thing... The funny part about it is while it DOES sometimes happen on Ghallanda, it didn't become a rampant problem until I got on THelanis... I originally thought it was because I was the only healer, and people didn't know me so weren't sure... but then I just chalked it up to them being inconsiderate and began berating them in voice chat until they dropped gro- I mean, asking them nicely if they could dismiss said hireling so we could fill.

True story*

*no it's not

[grayham]

Well, perhaps I'm just lucky, but in 99% of the groups I lead this does not happen. On the isolated occasions when it does, I tell said person to dismiss the hire and they do.

I don't think any such mechanic needs to be introduced, as hirelings are a great help to groups who are short-manning quests, which is another thing I do regularly. I'm sorry that you're all having such bad luck, but it's not endemic on this server, I can't accept that.

Oh and I think people assumed the onyx figurine would behave like an arti pet or summon, hence that new wave.

[DrawingGuy]

I do believe it is more people not understanding the import of the pre-order item rather than rudeness. I personally can't think of times of people popping hirlelings unbidden, and never pop one myself without asking. Hope one knowing not to take up a party slot without permission is common sense.

However I do agree about giving the party leader the ability to boot anyones hirelings while they are in quest.

[axel15810]

It's very silly to take someone new summoning a hireling as rude. Yeah its rude if someone who understands the game does it, but that's not the case. New players likely just have never made an lfm and don't even realize that the hireling counts towards the 6 person group limit. Or they just don't understand the how the game works and that groups are always open for others to join. Or they could just not understand that hirelings are not as good as human players. One of these is what it is almost all the time so just chill, the person will almost always dismiss the hire once you point that out. And if not they're likely a very young player who just isn't very socially competent.

[Ssdprref]

Blame the UI. I've seen many vets pulling a hireling because they forgot to count themselves.
I have the old UI, but I realize that thousands don't even know how to change it.

[Jiirix]

Thinking its ok to summon a hireling into groups at anytime they feel like it with out asking.


Can we get rid of the greifing mecanic called hireling....

No one should be able to summon a hireling except the party leader or atleast be able to toggle ability to summon them into group on or off.

Im tired of opening lfm to allow people to group with me only to have the 5th person join and then summon a hireling to take the last spot. Screwing someone else that I would let in to the party


This is the rudest most inconsiderate BS I have seen. This is Worse then Shrplz within secs of joining a group and -10% that is sure to follow

But..but, I NEED a own hireling that keeps my squishy Sorc-Cleric-Barb alive.

[B0ltdrag0n]

Thinking its ok to summon a hireling into groups at anytime they feel like it with out asking.


Can we get rid of the greifing mecanic called hireling....

No one should be able to summon a hireling except the party leader or atleast be able to toggle ability to summon them into group on or off.

Im tired of opening lfm to allow people to group with me only to have the 5th person join and then summon a hireling to take the last spot. Screwing someone else that I would let in to the party

I've never seen this. Never. I pug alot (alot). I have seen people 'ask' to bring a hire.

Even if you are having this problem. You do know you can ask them to dismiss it right? and if they refuse you could just recall and reform around them. I know they shouldn't do it, however I simply giving options.

This is the rudest most inconsiderate BS I have seen. This is Worse then Shrplz within secs of joining a group and -10% that is sure to follow

-5%, if the hireling dies. Of course I have no reason to assume this hasn't happened to you at least once, but perhaps if it is happening to you constantly then you have your luck switch set to off when it comes to pugs.

[maha0201]

-5%, if the hireling dies. Of course I have no reason to assume this hasn't happened to you at least once, but perhaps if it is happening to you constantly then you have your luck switch set to off when it comes to pugs.

He is when hire is dismissed and then hire user can't heal him/her self in BYOH ZERG runs...
Summoning hire in that runs is not good same as is zerg in flower sniffing run. If you need hire don't go in byoh groups.

I've notice more pugs join byoh and pop hire without asking, as well as no -10% lfms with party leader as negative 10 bringer.

[B0ltdrag0n]

He is when hire is dismissed and then hire user can't heal him/her self in BYOH ZERG runs...
Summoning hire in that runs is not good same as is zerg in flower sniffing run. If you need hire don't go in byoh groups.

I've notice more pugs join byoh and pop hire without asking, as well as no -10% lfms with party leader as negative 10 bringer.

No one ever mentioned what kind of run. And explaining what someone else meant by adding dimension that were not in the existing arguement hardly helps in the discussion.

I'm sure Ace can clarify his own point if he so chooses.

That said. I was in pugs all night and never once have I seen this phenomenon.

[Fomori]

Thinking its ok to summon a hireling into groups at anytime they feel like it with out asking.


Can we get rid of the greifing mecanic called hireling....

No one should be able to summon a hireling except the party leader or atleast be able to toggle ability to summon them into group on or off.

Im tired of opening lfm to allow people to group with me only to have the 5th person join and then summon a hireling to take the last spot. Screwing someone else that I would let in to the party


This is the rudest most inconsiderate BS I have seen. This is Worse then Shrplz within secs of joining a group and -10% that is sure to follow

Its bad I agree.

Probably just as bad as noobs that think dying is a 10% total xp loss instead of just losing a 10% xp bonus of the quest base amount. Depending on other bonuses generated the xp lost over maximum is between 3-9% with 6-7% being about average. Its a loss of xp, but usually not as much as people cry about.

[royboy]

Leave, Lar A Fay alone!
Don't blame the hireling!
Blame the one, controling her.
One should always ask the leader about summoning anything.


Also would like to add: Please give us the ability , to vote out and dismiss bad player.
Reforming , usually not an option. As it seems real people, need to return to real life often.

Docsin ~ Disciples of Sin

[Shamurai]

Blame the UI. I've seen many vets pulling a hireling because they forgot to count themselves.
I have the old UI, but I realize that thousands don't even know how to change it.

What, Wait we can go back to OLD UI? teach me I miss it. At least the part about me being f1 Location...

[Forzah]

He is when hire is dismissed and then hire user can't heal him/her self in BYOH ZERG runs...
Summoning hire in that runs is not good same as is zerg in flower sniffing run. If you need hire don't go in byoh groups.

I've notice more pugs join byoh and pop hire without asking, as well as no -10% lfms with party leader as negative 10 bringer.

That's why you shouldn't use acronyms, but write "be able to heal yourself"

[maha0201]

No one ever mentioned what kind of run. And explaining what someone else meant by adding dimension that were not in the existing arguement hardly helps in the discussion.

I'm sure Ace can clarify his own point if he so chooses.

Did you ever saw his lfm up, or any lfm hosted by person who is raging over hierling in party ?

That's why you shouldn't use acronyms, but write "be able to heal yourself"

quest - diff, BYOH, zerg, know the way - IP

Random pug join:
Ship invite pls.
Share the quest ( usual side quests in GH/sands or vale quests)
How will we complete this quest without healer ( usual asked by: wf sorc / any race wiz / bard )
Where is the quest ?
OH YOU ARE IN QUEST ALREADY !?!?!?!?
Random pug leave party

What, Wait we can go back to OLD UI? teach me I miss it. At least the part about me being f1 Location...

ESC > OPTONS > UI find Show Party UI Vital Bar for you (2nd from tool tip delay) - check it

[Chai]

Theres nothing wrong with them, they are noobs. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to do. This is not a bug, its a feature.

[jojoalva69]

If some random person that joins from my LFM summons a hireling immediately(This happens quite often, actually) I kindly ask them to get rid of it or they can leave. I usually get both. Ok, the kindly part is a bit exaggerated, that may have a little to do with it...
I find it entertaining

[DeltaBravo]

I think what is being said here to the people that join pugs, that please ask if you can bring a hireling to the group.

But people who do this most likely is not on the forums.

[maha0201]

Just had pug hard vol BYOH zerg IP with guildie we picked up few pugers on way, and guess what one wiz needed clrc with him....
Did he ask NO, Did hire die YES, did he die YES... Luckily was only 1 more norm and casual to end that ...