Menace of the Underdark Expansion pre-purchase now available!

[totalmir]

For premium players, if you pick the Standard or Collector's, Druid is included. You don't need to "re-buy it" when the expansion launches. Note that if you buy the "Base" edition, that does NOT include Druid. If you get "Base" as a Free or Premium user you will have to pay separately to pick up Druid. VIPs get Druid free even if they don't buy any of the expansion packs.

Thanks for the info.

[HungarianRhapsody]

So once again VIPs get screwed.

Come on Turbine why even have the VIP program? It's time to cut ties with the old system. At least that way we aren't told VIPs are special and then behind our backs you use the air quotes.

Come up with a VIP pack that takes $15 or $20 off of each of the options you have listed and it would go a long way to showing us that you actually want VIPs.

VIPs don't get screwed. This is the best thing that could have happened to VIPs. You now have an opportunity to convert to Premium and get a bunch of the adventure packs that you would have had to buy.

VIPs are only getting screwed if they *stay* VIP. I think this is a pretty clear message from Turbine on what you are better off doing...

[Dagolar]

Okay, to clarify for everyone that is confused, and taking away all fluff items:

VIPs
Automatic access to the Challenge Pack and Druid Class

Basic Pack, $30
Access to the Adventure Pack and Epic Destines
One Lesser XP Tome / Server
[Essentially the Vip pack, as it includes the two main elements VIPs don't get]

Standard Pack, 50$
Access to the Challenge Pack, Adventure Pack, Druid Class, Epic Destines.
One Greater XP Tome / Server
One XP Pot / All other toons you ever create / have ever created
1,000 TP
[And, if you don't already have them, also includes four old adventures and Veteran status 4]

Collector's Pack, 80$
Access to the Challenge Pack, Adventure Pack, Druid Class, Epic Destines.
One Greater XP Tome / Server
One Lesser XP Tome / All other toons you ever create / have already created
2,000 TP
Idol of level 18 Panther Hireling summoning
Veteran Status 7
[And, if you don't already have them, includes the four adventures included in Standard, plus four additional epicable packs, as well as Veteran Status 4]

In summation
Basic: Includes all non-VIP core elements, no major additional benefits
Standard: Everything anyone else would need
Collector's: Lesser Tomes for all other toons, Panther Hireling Summon, and Veteran Status 7

In other words, assuming you're not a new player [whom can take advantage of the bundled adventure packs]:
Standard: You're paying 20$ more for effective VIP status and better tome benefits
Collector's: You're paying 30$ more for lesser tomes to all secondary characters, Veteran Status 7, and a Panther Hireling.

I'd suggest the following additional bundles to address concerns:
VIP Bundle: Includes Basic, as well as all bonus elements; But not the two [free to VIP] other core elements, or Vet Status 4, Vet Status 7, and bundled adventure packs. 50$ - 60$
Veteran Bundle: Includes Standard, but removes Vet Status 4 and Adventure Bundle. 40$
Veteran's Collector Bundle: Includes Collector's bundle, but removes Vet Status 4 and both adventure bundles. 60-70$

[Dark_Knight_Silver]

VIPs don't get screwed. This is the best thing that could have happened to VIPs. You now have an opportunity to convert to Premium and get a bunch of the adventure packs that you would have had to buy.

VIPs are only getting screwed if they *stay* VIP. I think this is a pretty clear message from Turbine on what you are better off doing...

Unless you were part of the biggest sucker base and bought the year sub and dont have the option of cancelling and going premium for 8 months. Just sayin

[MaximumCharisma]

VIPs don't get screwed. This is the best thing that could have happened to VIPs. You now have an opportunity to convert to Premium and get a bunch of the adventure packs that you would have had to buy.

VIPs are only getting screwed if they *stay* VIP. I think this is a pretty clear message from Turbine on what you are better off doing...

yup

[Razcar]

Plus a Lesser Tome of learning on every character you have and will make (if I read the FAQ correctly).

Yes, but that is very subjective as well. I TR a couple of characters that I play a lot. Those I want Greater Tomes on. I don't care for Lesser Tomes. If I would make a new character I wouldn't put a lesser on it, since I will start from level 7 (3000 Favor) and a first-life character is capped very quickly anyway.

So saying that it is "22,845 TP's worth for $79.99" is an exaggeration for some players, that's what what I'm saying. Instead everyone should think about how they play and count for themselves instead. And if you are a VIP, with TP's stored, it might not be a good deal for you at all. (That said, being VIP in DDO is a rotten deal anyhow, so maybe it is just silly being cost-concious in the first place )

[Shamurai]

I just did some math: For me to get all the adventure packs (not counting the ones in the bundle), helf/horc, and shared bank account (essentially everything you can't get for favor), it would cost me 11,000 TP, which (hey!) is a bundle offer for $59.99.

And that's if I buy things without them being on sale.

So for $139.98, I can get everything I have as a VIP and go premium.

That's making up the cost if I play another year (quite likely).

Why stay VIP?

I like what you're thinking here.. I just recently came back from a 6 month "Break" and was Premium again.. One issue not addressed above... I had 10 toons as VIP 5 were CAPPED 1 was Up and Coming, and 4 are mules... As Premium.. I had to CHOSE which 4 I was going to play. I couldn't bring myself to exclude any of my "mains" so I bought an Extra Character slot... then there was GRRONND my "up and coming" so I bought another slot to bring him aboard.. yay all was well .. right?? well no I wanted to TR 3 toons with U13... and all my twink gear and much of my other good stuff (cookies, pots, scrolls etc) are on the mules...

I do like how the $80 pack would get me most of the packs I hadn't purchased before I went VIP 2 years ago.. Tomes, DDO Points and the pets are nice addons. So, I'll probably let my sub lapse and buy that but first I'll have to transfer all my Mule items to my about to TR toons so they can sit in a Reincarnation caches

[Agarwaen]

Question:

"If you’ve pre-purchased the Limited Time Collector’s Edition, you’ll get a Greater Tome of Learning per game world for the character of your choice. Your other existing characters, and every new character you create from then on, will receive a free Lesser Tome of Learning."

So, if I don't currently have a character on a given world, will I get my tome whenever I roll one on that world?

Or to put it another way, do I need to roll one character on every world before I buy the expansion, if I want to get all my greater tomes of learning?

[Hokiewa]

Question:

Is the panther figurine (summoned hireling) considered a "gold hireling" or a standard hireling?

[UltraMonk2]

Yes, but that is very subjective as well. I TR a couple of characters that I play a lot. Those I want Greater Tomes on. I don't care for Lesser Tomes. If I would make a new character I wouldn't put a lesser on it, since I will start from level 7 (3000 Favor) and a first-life character is capped very quickly anyway.

So saying that it is "22,845 TP's worth for $79.99" is an exaggeration for some players, that's what what I'm saying. Instead everyone should think about how they play and count for themselves instead. And if you are a VIP, with TP's stored, it might not be a good deal for you at all. (That said, being VIP in DDO is a rotten deal anyhow, so maybe it is just silly being cost-concious in the first place )

Every single character you have and create in the future will automatically get a Lesser Tome, whether you use it or not is entirely up to you. I did specify that the total value was only based on 5 character slots on a single server, you would still have 8 x Greater Tomes for at least 1 character on each server. Those 8 x Greater Tomes were not factored into the TP value I calculated.

[Raiderone]

For premium players, if you pick the Standard or Collector's, Druid is included. You don't need to "re-buy it" when the expansion launches. Note that if you buy the "Base" edition, that does NOT include Druid. If you get "Base" as a Free or Premium user you will have to pay separately to pick up Druid. VIPs get Druid free even if they don't buy any of the expansion packs.

So for Premium Players that select Collector's Edition they don't need to "re-buy=it" for
Menace of the Underdark Expansion Adventure Packs, the Druid Class, Epic Destinies, and the Eveningstar Challenge Pack...

plus get all the following...
•Greater Tome of Learning
•Lesser Tome of Learning
•2,000 Turbine points
•Veteran Status (Level 7)
•Veteran Status (Level 4)
•DDO Epic Classics Adventure Pack bundle
•DDO Classics Adventure Pack bundle
Pre-Purchase Bonus Items!
•Demonweb Spiderling Creature Companion
•Druid's Wolf Pup Creature Companion
•Onyx Panther Cub Creature Companion
•Elite Spider Cult mask cosmetic helmet
•Figurine of Wonderous Power: Onyx Panther

SO pre-purchase expansion and you can start June 25th versus waiting for Update 14 in August...

[777atheaven]

Very quickly can I ask, can players buy the greater tome of learning through TP as of now?

[Ziindarax]

The Turbine Account page has a bug, when updating my billing information with my current credit card information it will not accept that updated information. The details are correct as I just used them to purchase the expansion.

There is no option to enter the details in later, it will not progress past me entering the expansion code as it requires me to update my billing information first.

I am a Premium

Edit: The below is in red on the account page for me:

• You cannot upgrade a suspended subscription. Please reactivate the subscription first and try again. [err: 29306]
• ATTENTION: One or more of your subscriptions has been suspended or downgraded from VIP status due to non-payment. Please re-enter your billing information or apply a Game Card now to reactivate your subscription(s). After successfully updating your billing information, click either “Resume” or “Get Unlimited Access” to restore the subscription`s former Active or VIP status.
  Click here to update your billing information now.

Did you try selecting Game-card/other payment option for "renewing a subscription", and then tell it that you don't have a card now, but will get one later? That might do it. I think it's even mentioned here.

[Edwinge]

Very quickly can I ask, can players buy the greater tome of learning through TP as of now?

Looking in game now and both tomes of learning are in the store.

Greater is 1595 TP
Lesser is 995 TP

[777atheaven]

Looking in game now and both tomes of learning are in the store.

Greater is 1595 TP
Lesser is 995 TP

Great, here goes more xp

[Raiderone]

Probably most FTP have already purchased the offered Classic DDO Adventure packs
in the Pre-Purchase Collectors expansion...

Too bad we couldn't get some compensation for previously used TP on the below bundles...matter fact I've purchased them on two accounts

•DDO Epic Classics Adventure Pack bundle
◦Vault of Night
◦The Red Fens
◦Sentinels Stormreach
◦Devil Assault
•DDO Classics Adventure Pack bundle
◦Phiarlan Carnival
◦Attack on Stormreach
◦The Path of Inspiration
◦The Dreaming Dark

[Raiderone]

Very quickly can I ask, can players buy the greater tome of learning through TP as of now?

Log on and check DDO Store. But I would say, No.

[Razcar]

Every single character you have and create in the future will automatically get a Lesser Tome, whether you use it or not is entirely up to you. I did specify that the total value was only based on 5 character slots on a single server, you would still have 8 x Greater Tomes for at least 1 character on each server. Those 8 x Greater Tomes were not factored into the TP value I calculated.

Doesn't help, still very subjective. I have no need for Lesser Tomes - only Greater. Nor do I have any need for Greater Tomes on the x number of servers I never play on.

So claiming the pack "is worth 22,845 TP" - like it is some postulate - is a little misleading, sorry. It might very well be worth 22,845 - For You. For me it would be worth 7785.
Edit: 7085 TP rather, with the Greater Tome confirmed store price.

[UltraMonk2]

Did you try selecting Game-card/other payment option for "renewing a subscription", from there, you need to tell it that you don't have a card now, but will get one later. That might do it. I think it's even mentioned here.

No such option appears for me, I did notice that tidbit myself and did look for it. I cannot actually submit my Product Key as the error I posted immediately comes up, so for me my Product Key does not get accepted.

[UltraMonk2]

Doesn't help, still very subjective. I have no need for Lesser Tomes - only Greater. Nor do I have any need for Greater Tomes on the x number of servers I never play on.

So claiming the pack "is worth 22,845 TP" - like it is some postulate - is a little misleading, sorry. It might very well be worth 22,845 - For You. For me it would be worth 7785.
Edit: 7085 TP rather, with the Greater Tome confirmed store price.

I was only showing an example of what all the items are worth to buy individually. Excuse me for making it easier for people to calculate what the probable worth is.