Tried a TR...and lost everything!

[GeneralDiomedes]

Well, thank goodness I'm going to be in Vegas Monday! Er ... wait ..

[Autolycus]

I did a lesser Reincarnate on a character that has never True Reincarnated and lost all my inventory stuff also.

Bank stuff remained intact.

I also did a lesser reincarnation and all items in my inventory was gone.

It's fixed internally. You will be safe to TR when we allow it.
It was a halo effect of a much worse TR bug, if you must know.

Does the fix also fix the problem when Lesser reincarnating?

[whomhead]

Turbine did not Find this WE the players here did. And really it should have never made it out to ANY server. Better to put thing out where you get Free help then to Hire in house Staff to do a full Check of the software.

Sleeps

TEST SERVER = sure go ahead and find bugs.

[Produktion_Malphunktion]

I usually don't take the bait...but ok. Full regression = 6 months. At best. That means nothing new added to the code base for 6 months while we test it fully. Sound like a good plan? No?
Like people said, test server. More eyeballs is a good thing in my book. Thanks for finding this.

I have my concerns on how this was missed internally, I can completely see how it was, but there are a couple of systems I'm learning if they are even nudged slightly we need a full regression pass. That is unfortunate, and time consuming for us, but the nature of the beast with such a...mature...code base.

[Hokiewa]

Amusing.

[Barazon]

Full regression = 6 months. At best. That means nothing new added to the code base for 6 months while we test it fully. Sound like a good plan?

Yes. This is exactly what the game needs. Nothing new added (and by extension, no new bugs added) but TONS of bugs removed. Hopefully including the ones the players know about but the developers don't officially recognize as "known" issues.

[alvarego]

It's fixed internally. You will be safe to TR when we allow it.
It was a halo effect of a much worse TR bug, if you must know.

We must know, if you must ask.

[Combat_Wombat]

I usually don't take the bait...but ok. Full regression = 6 months. At best. That means nothing new added to the code base for 6 months while we test it fully. Sound like a good plan? No?
Like people said, test server. More eyeballs is a good thing in my book. Thanks for finding this.

I have my concerns on how this was missed internally, I can completely see how it was, but there are a couple of systems I'm learning if they are even nudged slightly we need a full regression pass. That is unfortunate, and time consuming for us, but the nature of the beast with such a...mature...code base.

What would the timeline be for a full re-factoring?

[Missing_Minds]

So why not put it on Lam to test?, before it goes live, and NO It was not obvious

It WAS obvious, and they may, but not on the weekend.

[Missing_Minds]

I usually don't take the bait...but ok. Full regression = 6 months. At best. That means nothing new added to the code base for 6 months while we test it fully. Sound like a good plan? No?

6 months? OUCH.... And I thought testing where I worked was bad.

[Vordax]

Yes. This is exactly what the game needs. Nothing new added (and by extension, no new bugs added) but TONS of bugs removed. Hopefully including the ones the players know about but the developers don't officially recognize as "known" issues.

You do know that during that 6 months of regression the code cannot change, so therefore the bugs will only be found not fixed. Then they can spend 6 months fixing the bugs and then 6 more months redoing the regression.

And while the regression is being done what are all the developers going to do? Take a 6 month vacation?

Vordax

[Produktion_Malphunktion]

And I disagree, this is not what DDO needs. We have bugs, but nothing close to what you are suggesting. The reason you notice, is when we screw up, we like to go big.

What we need is an expansion...oh look on the horizon...

[Ukenburger]

The reason you notice, is when we screw up, we like to go big.

Like the ability to slay raid bosses instantly with the divine Destruction spell, for instance.

[Drwaz99]

Yes. This is exactly what the game needs. Nothing new added (and by extension, no new bugs added) but TONS of bugs removed. Hopefully including the ones the players know about but the developers don't officially recognize as "known" issues.

As Mal stated a few lines above me. No. It would be too expensive now and they risk losing peoples motivation to play the game with no new content. New content = more money. Money is bottom-line. The known issues list has grown so exponentially from the lack of (or rather NO) attention to it; that now fixing one bug can/will create 3 more. Kinda like that of saying 3 steps forward one step back, but in reverse. Here it's one bug fixed 3 new ones created. Frustrating yes. And it grows increasingly larger with each update. Unless the bug breaks the game seriously, or effects the DDO Store in any sort (well, except for anything you haven't bought already..missing Airships took ~2 months to remedy), most are at the bottom of the list and will stay there..

I assume that when Mal says "we won't let you TR,LR until it's fixed" is that they will disable the function until it's fixed. Or it's broken less.

(But I do have to give some credit, they did clear up 10-15 long standing bugs recently, just not enough to really show a difference.

[Drwaz99]

And I disagree, this is not what DDO needs. We have bugs, but nothing close to what you are suggesting. The reason you notice, is when we screw up, we like to go big.

What we need is an expansion...oh look on the horizon...

Nice deflection of the subject on bug fixes...Maybe you should be in PR?!?

[BitkaCK2]

And I disagree, this is not what DDO needs. We have bugs, but nothing close to what you are suggesting. The reason you notice, is when we screw up, we like to go big.

What we need is an expansion...oh look on the horizon...

Here's hoping the expansion replaces the more 'mature' code with with some where culpability for flaws is both more easily identifiable and responsive to patching without halo effects.

bitkaCK2

[trog_star]

What we need is an expansion...oh look on the horizon...

"look! a decoy" may work on the kids.
but, ill be dammed if i'm being distracted for anything less than something shiny!

[Solmage]

Yes. This is exactly what the game needs. Nothing new added (and by extension, no new bugs added) but TONS of bugs removed. Hopefully including the ones the players know about but the developers don't officially recognize as "known" issues.

Sure, if you don't mind paying, in advance, for $500,000 for lost subscriptions, while the rest of us who do NOT want to be stuck with the same content and no patches and no nothing for over 6 months AT LEAST, possibly quite a lot longer go play something else.

And best of all, EVERY TIME THEY ADD ANYTHING AT ALL, it would be another 6+ months of not adding anything. That's what it requires to not have any bugs - and guess what, even when you do that, even in mission critical multi-million dollar development projects, even after partial deployments go ok for 6 months, bugs STILL happen after the full deployment.

In the meantime, they'll be awaiting your certified check on Monday so they can begin implementing your suggestion.

[Pomdude]

+1 to Op.
What can I say - great find.
Very concerning though as to what else is going to be broken on the live.
As always will sit tight for a week or two and let others find out the hard way. Hoping their pain is minimal for the good of all - Well me at least

[Sleepsalot]

Yes just so we could find it to be broken.. LoL really too funny. QA can only do what they have resources for. Not Bashing them at all. The people in Charge of the money need to get with the program..
Sleeps

You do not know that for truth. You ABSOLUTELY do not know that for truth. The bug very easily may have been known by Turbine staff all along. The libraries that handle TR functions may have intentionally been left out.

They've explicitly said that they are making efforts to get more to Lamannia faster. AND, they included a caveat that they may be a little more rough around the edges because of these endeavors.

I would recommend trying to find a little more patience and a little more trust. Take a look at their track record for the past 3 months or more. Turbine has been doing a colossal job with getting things done and communicating with the community.