I still don't understand the mechanisms behind transferring spells from scrolls ...

[DrawingGuy]

As one said before, the SPELL level is indicated by a roman numeral in the upper left corner of the icon. There are a few spells that are missing this, but is a quick indicator for 90% of what you can inscribe.

Now for scroll inscribe chance, your chance of casting hast nothing to do with your inscribe chance. You'll succeed every time assuming you can learn the spell and have the materials for it.

[Jingwei]

Another thing to pay attention to when leveling a wizard for the first time is what scrolls are 'rare'. This means that you can't buy them, they would have to be found as loot. But, whenever you level up, you get your choice of any two spells that you could cast; so it's usual for experience wizards to pick 'rare' spells on level up, and then just buy and scribe the 'common' spells.

The list of rare scrolls can be found here
And the list of where you can buy arcane scrolls is here

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Example:
A wizard gets to lvl 7, they can pick 2 level 4 spells to learn. Consulting the rare scroll list, we see that dimension door and wall of fire are both rare, so we learn those. Then we go to the house of wizardry store (in house J) to buy up the common level 4 spells and scribe them.

On our next level up, we'd then pick 2 more rare lvl 4 spells to learn.

[Mithril_Hand]

Here's a table-like thing to help simplify it (or make it more complicated ):

If your Wizard is this level -> this is the highest Spell Level you can cast -> a few random example spells of its level
1 -> 1st -> Niac's Cold Ray, Ray of Enfeeblement, Grease
3 -> 2nd -> Melf's Acid Arrow, Web, Repair Moderate Damage
5 -> 3rd -> Fireball, Heroism, Water Breathing
7 -> 4th -> Acid Rain, Bestow Curse, Charm Monster
9 -> 5th -> Cone of Cold, Symbol of Pain, Teleport
11 -> 6th -> Shadow Walk, Cat's Grace Mass, Acid Fog
13 -> 7th -> Finger of Death, Power Word: Blind, Summon Monster VII
15 -> 8th -> Horrid Wilting, Incendiary Cloud, Trap the Soul
17 -> 9th -> Meteor Swarm, Energy Drain, Mordenkainen's Disjunction

If you look at your Repair Moderate Damage scroll, you'll see its caster level is 3. What's the highest Spell Level a lvl 3 wizard can access? The 2nd spell level. All scrolls to my knowledge follow this pattern. EDIT: for spells castable by wizards at least

Not all spells are sold at vendors but a great many are. The Portable Hole is probably the most convenient place to get them. Only accessible via teleport though. Have someone teleport you there (Greater Teleport is required for this), bind to the Spirit Binder then type /death whenever you're in a tavern (to avoid gear damage) and get back to the hole. Alternatively, use teleport scrolls. They're usable at lvl 7 with <10% success but can be used 100% by lvl 9 which is the same lvl you can cast it yourself.

ANOTHER EDIT: you can inscribe spells you cannot cast yet. A lvl 1 wizard could inscribe Meteor Swarm and see it 16 lvls later!

[Tertriary]

If you dont understand the roman numbers, here is an small lesson (lol)


I = 1
V = 5
X = 10

An smaller number AFTER an bigger number means + (Example, XI = 11, Tho there are no level 11 spells in DDO, its level 1 till level 10 (at level 1 I you get your first spell an level I spell. At level 19 (wiz) or level 20 (sorc) you get your level 10 X spell.))

An smaller number BEFORE an bigger number means - (Example. IV = 4)

There are higher Roman numbers, but they are not used in this game.

The difference between FvS/Cleric and Sorc/Wiz is that the Fvs and Sorc get new spell levels at level 1 and then every even number, starting from level 4. (example: 1,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20 (correct me if im wrong))

Cleric and Wiz get them at level 1 and then every uneven number. (example: 1,3,5,7,9,11,13,15,17,19)

and CASTER LEVEL means the level you essentially are when casting the spell, kinda. Most wands have an caster level that you need to be when you can cast the spell normally. (Example: Niac's Cold Ray is an level I spell, and deals i guess 5 to 10 damage every level (correct me) up to damage of 25 to 50 at level 5, so you have to be atleast level 1. You can see the Caster level in the discription, but also at the name of the wand. (Example: Wand of .... (2nd) means that its an wand that is essentially caster level 2.) But the wand we just got from Durks' Got an Secret is an Wand of Niac's Cold Ray (4th). That means, that you must be level 4 or higher total as the caster level is level 4, and thus you deal 20 to 40 damage. Spell Level is the level of the spell itself. As i said, Niac's Cold Ray is an level I spell. So for that spell, you need an level I Insciption Component. (And because it have an M at the components, means its uses an Material Component, resulting you to use the Pinch of Fine Sand (Level I Spell Component) To cast it, unless you use the Eschew Materials Metamagic Feat.) Is that enough?

[Garix]

As I understand it (correct, please, if I am wrong here), you can inscribe a spell which is higher level than you can cast and your chance to successfully inscribe it is the same as your chance to successfully cast it off the scroll. The bad news is that there is no way, so far as I know, to see what spells of higher level you have inscribed before you are able to actually cast that level spells.

You can scribe any scroll at any level with zero chance of failure

almost all my wizards buy every available scroll (levels 1-7 from portable hole) and inscribe them at level 1.

Makes life a lot easier than trying to remember which ones are not available from the venders.

[Jaid314]

As I understand it (correct, please, if I am wrong here), you can inscribe a spell which is higher level than you can cast and your chance to successfully inscribe it is the same as your chance to successfully cast it off the scroll. The bad news is that there is no way, so far as I know, to see what spells of higher level you have inscribed before you are able to actually cast that level spells.

chance to scribe, in DDO at least, is always 100% provided you can do it at all.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

If you dont understand the roman numbers, here is an small lesson (lol)

Thank you.

Of course you don't know whrt I know - but Archaeology is one of my hobbies, and that means that I do know the roman numbers at least until 50.

But thanks anyway to all of you for your explanations !


Edit : Where is the Portable Hole, by the way ? In The Twelve ?

[SisAmethyst]

Thank you.

Of course you don't know whrt I know - but Archaeology is one of my hobbies, and that means that I do know the roman numbers at least until 50.

But thanks anyway to all of you for your explanations !


Edit : Where is the Portable Hole, by the way ? In The Twelve ?

No the Portable Hole is a pocket dimension (Ein Schwarzes Loch für die Tasche ) and to this dimension you can teleport with the Teleport spell. In this place you find a bar and several vendors for scrolls.

[icekinslayer]

If you dont understand the roman numbers, here is an small lesson (lol)


I = 1
V = 5
X = 10

An smaller number AFTER an bigger number means + (Example, XI = 11, Tho there are no level 11 spells in DDO, its level 1 till level 10 (at level 1 I you get your first spell an level I spell. At level 19 (wiz) or level 20 (sorc) you get your level 10 X spell.))

it would be nice to have level 10 spells, but alas, level 9 spells are the highest we can get.
I - level1
II- level2
III-level3
IV-level4
V-level 5
VI-level6
VII-level7
VIII-level8
IX-level9

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

No the Portable Hole is a pocket dimension (Ein Schwarzes Loch für die Tasche ) and to this dimension you can teleport with the Teleport spell. In this place you find a bar and several vendors for scrolls.

Ooops ! And I had thought all of the time that this was the name of a Tavern !

[Jaid314]

Ooops ! And I had thought all of the time that this was the name of a Tavern !

it is. that tavern just happens to be in a pocket dimension. and has a bunch of small shops in it as well.

[Koowluh]

You can scribe any scroll at any level with zero chance of failure

almost all my wizards buy every available scroll (levels 1-7 from portable hole) and inscribe them at level 1.

Makes life a lot easier than trying to remember which ones are not available from the venders.

This is what most people do and what I did with my arti as well. Any scroll you write that you don't have the level yet for, will become available once you do. It is one way of ensuring that you'll always pick the unavailable/rarely-on-scrolls-spells when levelling up.

See it as copying over notes that you don't understand yet. Once you reach a certain level of expertise, you'll understand what you have copied.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

I see. I have already done it several times.

I just didn't want to rely entirely on which spells I'd get on levelling up.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

I'm sorry, but I must reactivate this thread :

Could somebody please give me a list which inscribing material (level ?) enables to inscribe which spell (level ?) ?

Something like this :

Level 1 inscribe material -> level ? scroll

There doesn't exist such a list - at least I cannot find any, neither in the Wiki nor in the Compendium - and seemingly not here either.

I believe that such a list is definitively needed - otherwise buying scrolls is nothing but a gamble for those (like me) who haven't fully understood the mechanics yet (or not at all).

I believe that this is one of the few things the Wiki is really lacking. It contains almost everything regarding scrolls, spells, caster levels and inscribing - but not a direct correlation between scrolls and inscribing materials.

I have here material for inscribing saying it is level 7 (VII). I had thought I had done everything right when I have bought a scroll saying level 7 (as explained here in this thread). But again I have found out that I was wrong again, since the actual scroll didn't show any sign; only its description says "level 7". So I goofed it again. And that, although I had thought that I had remembered everything correctly.

(As background I must say that I have a small form of a weakness called dyscalculia as well. That's why I need so much longer to grasp numeric concepts than others do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyscalculia However, I have no problem understanding the mere logical rules behind calculations - my weakness really only affects dealing with numbers / the numbers themselves.)

So I need a list which scrolls (not spells !) correlate to which inscribing materials. This is the only real thing never explained in both Wiki and Compendium.

[HungarianRhapsody]

http://ddowiki.com/page/Wizard_spells
has a list of all Wizard spells broken down by spell level.

Level 1 inscription materials are needed to inscribe level 1 spells, level 2 materials for level 2 spells, etc.

Most scrolls from level 1 through level 7 are available at the scroll vendors in the Marketplace, House P, House J, House K (guild vendor) and at the Portable Hole.

No 8th or 9th level scrolls are available at any vendor. You can only get them by looting them from chests, buying off the AH or mooching off friends. Some other spell scrolls are also not available at scroll vendors. They are listed at
http://ddowiki.com/page/Scrolls#Arca...e_from_vendors

[Marthesis]

So I need a list which scrolls (not spells !) correlate to which inscribing materials. This is the only real thing never explained in both Wiki and Compendium.

I think I understand the problem. The problem was that the scroll says it requires a level 7 wizard, but that just means that it is a level 4 spell, and you need to be a level 7 wizard to use level 4 spells.

For reference:
Level 1 wizard -> Level 1 spell
Level 3 wizard -> Level 2 spell
Level 5 wizard -> Level 3 spell
Level 7 wizard -> Level 4 spell
Level 9 wizard -> Level 5 spell
Level 11 wizard -> Level 6 spell
Level 13 wizard -> Level 7 spell
Level 15 wizard -> Level 8 spell
Level 17 wizard -> Level 9 spell

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

Okay, I think I have understood this part.

But what I have not quite understood is this : What can I inscribe with my level 7 inscribing materials ?

[Ganolyn]

Okay, I think I have understood this part.

But what I have not quite understood is this : What can I inscribe with my level 7 inscribing materials ?

Level 7 spells. There is the spell level (1-9) and the user's level (1-20). The user's level is irrelevant when it comes to inscribing the spells. You may inscribe any spell that you have a scroll for and the correct inscription materials (based on the spell's level: 1 for 1, 2 for 2, 3 for 3 etc... all the way up to 9). You won't be able to use the spell until your character reaches the appropriate level for the use of that spell, whatever that may be.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

I do know that I won't be able to use that spell for now. My problem is that i just want to get rid of of this slot-filling packet of inscribing materials, therefore I'm looking for a scroll for which I can use it.

And my problem just is that scrolls alone don't say which level they have. They only tell me the required caster's level.

[Untitled]

I didn't notice anyone else mentioning it, but I believe as of U13 the roman numerals are not shown on Scrolls or Spells.