I still don't understand the mechanisms behind transferring spells from scrolls ...

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

Hello, everyone,

I play a fresh level 5 Wizard, and have quite difficulties in understanding the mechanisms of transferring a spell from a scroll into the own spellbook (it isn't displayed as a real book, but it call it as that for now).

Okay, I wanted to transfer a spell that says it is a level 3 spell.

I have bought spell transferring stuff for a level 3 scroll. Or so I've understood it.

What I didn't understand is that the Wizard probably needed level 3 in spells, too. But that's fixed now (level 5 Wizard).

Why, now, can't my Wizard transfer a level 3 spell ?

The exact case :

I have -

- Level 3 spell : "repair medium damage" http://ddowiki.com/page/Repair_Moderate_Damage
- Level 3 inscription material http://ddowiki.com/page/Inscription_Material
- Level 3 spells can be cast by the Wizard

How does it work, actually ? Why am I not able to inscribe this scroll ?

This spell was not one I been choosing so far for my Wizard's spellbook.

Alrik

[Rakezi]

I'm assuming you are not inscribing the spell. Drag the inscribe feat feat from your feats page and target the scroll and hit that hotkey/hotbutton.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

I'm assuming you are not inscribing the spell. Drag the inscribe feat feat from your feats page and target the scroll and hit that hotkey/hotbutton.

Already did that. The feat hangs in the fast access bar. I target the scroll with the mouse and - meanwhile it is selected - I double click on the feat.

first off, that's actually a level 2 spell. level 3 is the level you can cast it at, and you could actually scribe it as early as level 1 provided you had the resources.

so that's one possible source of the problems; you may need level 2 inscribing materials, not level 3.

So why does it say it is a "level 3 spell", then ?

[Jaid314]

first off, that's actually a level 2 spell. level 3 is the level you can cast it at, and you could actually scribe it as early as level 1 provided you had the resources.

so that's one possible source of the problems; you may need level 2 inscribing materials, not level 3.

anyways, the process goes like this:

1) as was mentioned, make sure your inscribe scroll feat has been placed on a hotbar somewhere.
2) you can scribe a scroll as soon as you reach the minimum level requirement. this is usually not the same as the level where you could actually cast the spell, which means you can in fact inscribe something, and won't be able to see it in your spellbook. it will be there when you gain the right level, though.
3) get the scroll and the correct level of inscibing materials in your inventory. you obviously know how to look up spells, you'll notice that in the case of repair moderate damage it says "Level: Art 2, Sor/Wiz 2". it is, therefore, a level 2 spell.
4) click on the scroll in your inventory that you wish to scribe. it does not need to be equipped, just make sure it shows up in your focus orb.
5) without selecting anything else accidentally, or de-selecting that scroll, click on your inscribe feat.

hope that helps (and if not, well... i've probably been ninja'd half a dozen times...)

[JollySwagMan]

2) you can scribe a scroll as soon as you reach the minimum level requirement. this is usually not the same as the level where you could actually cast the spell, which means you can in fact inscribe something, and won't be able to see it in your spellbook. it will be there when you gain the right level, though.

Minor nitpick, my Wizard has been able to inscribe scrolls such as D-Door and Wall of Fire at level 1 (mailed from an alt)

Still +1 for the post!

[LordMond63]

Minor nitpick, my Wizard has been able to inscribe scrolls such as D-Door and Wall of Fire at level 1 (mailed from an alt)

Still +1 for the post!

As I understand it (correct, please, if I am wrong here), you can inscribe a spell which is higher level than you can cast and your chance to successfully inscribe it is the same as your chance to successfully cast it off the scroll. The bad news is that there is no way, so far as I know, to see what spells of higher level you have inscribed before you are able to actually cast that level spells.

[Garix]

As I understand it (correct, please, if I am wrong here), you can inscribe a spell which is higher level than you can cast and your chance to successfully inscribe it is the same as your chance to successfully cast it off the scroll. The bad news is that there is no way, so far as I know, to see what spells of higher level you have inscribed before you are able to actually cast that level spells.

You can scribe any scroll at any level with zero chance of failure

almost all my wizards buy every available scroll (levels 1-7 from portable hole) and inscribe them at level 1.

Makes life a lot easier than trying to remember which ones are not available from the venders.

[Koowluh]

You can scribe any scroll at any level with zero chance of failure

almost all my wizards buy every available scroll (levels 1-7 from portable hole) and inscribe them at level 1.

Makes life a lot easier than trying to remember which ones are not available from the venders.

This is what most people do and what I did with my arti as well. Any scroll you write that you don't have the level yet for, will become available once you do. It is one way of ensuring that you'll always pick the unavailable/rarely-on-scrolls-spells when levelling up.

See it as copying over notes that you don't understand yet. Once you reach a certain level of expertise, you'll understand what you have copied.

[Jaid314]

As I understand it (correct, please, if I am wrong here), you can inscribe a spell which is higher level than you can cast and your chance to successfully inscribe it is the same as your chance to successfully cast it off the scroll. The bad news is that there is no way, so far as I know, to see what spells of higher level you have inscribed before you are able to actually cast that level spells.

chance to scribe, in DDO at least, is always 100% provided you can do it at all.

[SisAmethyst]

First have the right Spell Inscription Materials in your inventory:

Most of the time you could just look on the scroll of the spell to check which level of material you need. However this is not always correct. Also some scrolls that can be inscribed by either Artificer or Wizards can inscribed by them at different level.
In this case the spell Repair Moderate Damage is however a level 2 spell (see the small number II in the upper left corner), so you not need the level 3 but the level 2 inscription material. If the number in the upper left is wrong or unreadable it is usually written in the description. However even this may be wrong so you would need to try an ingredient.
Keep in mind that for wizards you get a new spell level each odd number, in other words, at level 1, 3, 5, 7, ... so at level 7 you can inscribe spells of level 4. Or better say you can even inscribe them already before, but only access them at that level from your spellbook.

Last but not least press the Inscribe Wizard Scroll icon in your hotbar to inscribe the spell.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

Okay, here is a screenshot with it, with the part that says its "spell level" is "3" (everything is in German language so I have to translate it) :

[SisAmethyst]

Okay, here is a screenshot with it, with the part that says its "spell level" is "3" (everything is in German language so I have to translate it) :

Nochmal zusamengefasst und auch noch die Begriffserklärung für spell level

Zauberstufe (en: caster level) = Die Stufe die der Zauberer braucht um diesen Spruch anzuwenden
Zaubergrad (Spruchstufe, en: spell level) = Der Grad des Spruches

Als Magier erreicht man den nächsten Zaubergrad immer auf den ungeraden Stufen, sprich:

Zauberstufe - Zaubergrad
1 - 1
3 - 2
5 - 3
7 - 4
9 - 5
...

Wichtig ist hier auch anzumerken der Unterschied zwischen Zauberstufe und und Stufe. Ein Multiklassen Charakter mit Stufe 6 (4 Magier/2 Kämpfer) kann auch nur Zauber mit Zaubergrad 2 sprechen.

Die meisten Spruch Pergamente haben in ihrem Symbol in der Beschreibung oben links den Zaubergrad in Römischen Ziffern vermerkt. Allerdings sind diese entweder nicht immer einwandfrei zu erkennen oder fehlen gänzlich. Andere Zauberklassen wie etwa Erfinder mögen im übrigen den selben Spruch früher oder später benutzen können, weshalb man besonders bei Erfindern erfinderisch sein muss.
Leider sind auch die Beschreibungen nicht immer 100% akurat was bedeutet das man dann doch oft einfach die Materialien eins kleiner oder grösser probieren muss.

In diesem Fall aber dann vielleicht auch ein Bug Report schreiben, damit die entsprechende Beschreibung oder das Symbol angepasst werden kann (das kann entweder im Spiel oder hier im Forum gemacht werden - auch auf deutsch )

[cwfergtx]

The Spell is a Level 2 spell which means the caster has to be level 3 to load it from his book. To put it in the book he needs the scribing material for a level 2 spell.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

The Spell is a Level 2 spell which means the caster has to be level 3 to load it from his book. To put it in the book he needs the scribing material for a level 2 spell.

Why is the information that it is a level 2 spell not seen in the screenshot ? I mean, it would be essential to let everyone know it, no ? Just to avoid further confusion.

Or is this a "simple" translation error ? Does the word "Zauberstufe", which I had interpreted as "spell level" perhaps *not* mean "spell level" ?

It's an easy trap to fall into if your not familiar with DDO/D&D


Required caster level isn't the same as spell level

Divide the shown caster level by two and round up thats the spell level (for wizards/clerics - ignore the round up for sorcs/FVS)

ie

caster level 3 / 2 = 1.5 round up becomes spell level 2

caster level 13 / 2 =6.5 round up becomes spell level 7

etc etc

Thank you very much ! This is partly the information I was looking for !

Minor nitpick, my Wizard has been able to inscribe scrolls such as D-Door and Wall of Fire at level 1

Had already done so as well. This was one of the few things I really remembered from "D&D Wizardry", so to say.

[Garix]

It's an easy trap to fall into if your not familiar with DDO/D&D


Required caster level isn't the same as spell level

Divide the shown caster level by two and round up thats the spell level (for wizards/clerics - ignore the round up for sorcs/FVS)

ie

caster level 3 / 2 = 1.5 round up becomes spell level 2

caster level 13 / 2 =6.5 round up becomes spell level 7

etc etc

[Psiandron]

You're being confused by caster level (zauberstufe) and spell level (es ist mir ein bischen peinlich, aber ich hab' keine ahnung wie das auf deutsch heisst ). The spell is a 2nd level spell, which means that you have to be a level 3 wizard.

For some strange reason it doesn't actually state the spell level on the scroll ever, in English or in German, just the caster level.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

You're being confused by caster level (zauberstufe) and spell level (es ist mir ein bischen peinlich, aber ich hab' keine ahnung wie das auf deutsch heisst ). The spell is a 2nd level spell, which means that you have to be a level 3 wizard.

For some strange reason it doesn't actually state the spell level on the scroll ever, in English or in German, just the caster level.

Aha ! Thank you very much ! Now I've finally found the source of my confusion !

I think that'd be a good suggestion ...

Vielen Dank für deine Hilfe !

- This case can be closed. -

[REDv61]

It says the spell level in a little roman numeral in the top left corner of the spell symbol. not easy always to see, but there.

[Aeolwind]

It says the spell level in a little roman numeral in the top left corner of the spell symbol. not easy always to see, but there.

Unfortunately, it isn't always correct. There are cases where it is wrong =/.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

Ah, thanks. Indeed : Easy to overlook ...