First Time Doing a Raid drops Loot Gen Junk?

[Ungood]

Ok. This is one thing that has bugged me since I started playing this game, was how the turn in system worked.

I like the idea of getting the "Full List" on twenty times, but it's not a big issue for me if that happens or does not happen. But here is what bugs me.

"You just killed this super uber bad guy that was going to destroy us all, you have saved the world, our hero! Your name will be sung by the bards from now on till forever! We are eternally grateful for what you have done..."

'... here is some loot gen junk"

"But if you do that 20 more times, we might give you something good!"



I say, the first time you do a raid you should get a mini-list, like the 20th time, just smaller, like only 2 - 3 items to choose from, that way a war forged does not get full plate as their only choice , or a fleshie gets a docent, this way, they have a chance to get something they could equip, even if not use, to symbolize the very first time winning the raid. It would make sense too that the very first time you do a raid, it should be a memorable event. It should be rewarded properly with significant loot or items that symbolize that they have done the raid.

Would this mean, everyone would get a ToD ring after their first run? Yes it would, and to be honest, that makes sense they would get something. If they want another ring, well, then they have to farm for it, which also makes sense.

Now I am not asking for a complete list. but, something more appropriate should be given then loot-gen vendor trash to someone that just saved the world, ya know, and no Tomes, they should be limited to the 20's list exclusively.

Now if you want to farm that raid, then yah, 20 more times and you get the list again, because, then you are farming it. Which makes sense too.

But I think a First Time run should give a proper reward list.

It would also make TRing more enticing to players who are having issues with their raid counters getting reset when they TR.

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[LrdSlvrhnd]

Actually, you'd just need to do it 19 more times *g*

But yeah, a better list on first-time would be good, for all the reasons you enumerated. I still crack up when I finish "Walk the Butcher's Path" - "I've never seen anything like it! Such bravery! Such power! Such... a pile of junk I'm offering you!"

[Auran82]

Raid end rewards could have a small chance to have a single raid item in them?

But I agree, killing Velah the first time is pretty awesome, opening the big shiny chest and getting skunked is not.

[Blank_Zero]

I like where it's going. Not sure I agree, and only if they set it retroactively. Ie, everyone starts at "1" for their next completion of a raid, then goes back to what they already had.

[maddmatt70]

I think just one of the raid loot or tome items randomly on the first list makes a little more sense then the everything on the 20th list that some of proposed. I think it fits with the storyline of a raid and makes ddo slightly more realistic. You should get a reward especially if its your first epic or elite difficulty victory.

[Blank_Zero]

I think just one of the raid loot or tome items randomly on the first list makes a little more sense then the everything on the 20th list that some of proposed. I think it fits with the storyline of a raid and makes ddo slightly more realistic. You should get a reward especially if its your first epic or elite difficulty victory.

I miss the "2 items per run" rule on some of these raids. Maybe they could make it so there is 1-2 items guaranteed per run? I hate seeing a skunked chest, and even 2 items guaranteed between 12 players, not all of them looking for the same thing, shouldn't be toooooo insane.

[Sgt_Hart]

My first reaction is maybe like.. 3 or 4 items from named loot would work well for 1st completion?

dunno, Like the idea a lot though.

[SisAmethyst]

While I have some issues with the complete list on every 20th, I totally agree that it is very disapointing and frustrating if you finished an awesome raid fight and get loot that just don't compare in anyway to the effort and experience. So having one random item show up in the list, even if it wouldn't be the one I expected would at least set a symbol of 'hey, you beat it, you get something in return'.
If I just want random vendor trash I can probably easier run a small level 19 quest for ransack, no need to bother with a raid.

So yes, I can agree with that one somehow.

[ycheese123]

+1. Really good idea. The FIRST run should reward you with at least a few named items. It makes sense in the story and would be more realistic.
Of course... farming quests isn't realistic but it is a vital part of the game. :P

[Antheal]

/signed.

The very 1st run of a raid should count as a "20th completion". Especially if Raid completions are going to be carried over through TRs.

[AMDarkwolf]

You know, many other successful games have done this.. where any 'end of chain' quest that (I guess) can be considered a raid, are completed the first time by a character, that person can pick a 'special' reward. Doing the quests after don't give this list, but give a chance to get some of teh unique loot.

The idea could work, but i'd limit it to 4-6 items(Depending on raid this can be a bad thing I guess) and not 10(ish)

[Cendaer]

I definitely agree.

Call me jaded if you like (I probably am, considering how long I've been playing), but the rewards for running any quest in this game, for the first time, are abysmally lackluster. Quite frankly, I'm surprised new players tolerate it for long.

Better rewards for first runs of ALL quests, please. Lessen the rewards when the farming actually starts (i.e. - the second and any subsequent runs), and then go with the 20th completion rewards list (for those who happen to not get anything relevant to their character on the first run).

[Qhualor]

i think the current system is fine. having raid loot choices every 20th keeps the raid active for turbine. if i got what i wanted the first completion, would there be any reason to go back? the answer is no. arent we getting full raid loot lists for raids every 20th soon anyways?

[DeafeningWhisper]

Great idea, it's smart, logical and fits perfectly with the DnD spirit, so I doubt Turbine will go for it...

I would like to see 1 named loot item from the raid or a very rare random loot item like heart of wood, experience elixir and the like, not world shattering stuff but something that says "nice going there, grats on your 1st completion".

[hakunamatataa]

Sounds like an easy way to get gear for a multi tr. A tr2 would do a raid 3 times and get a chance at 12 named items, effectively a 20th reward. Seems a little broken to me.

[DeafeningWhisper]

Sounds like an easy way to get gear for a multi tr. A tr2 would do a raid 3 times and get a chance at 12 named items, effectively a 20th reward. Seems a little broken to me.

Right because TRing back to the lvl required for the raid twice is far easier then doing the quest 20 times... Also for your example 4 items are given for 1st completion, just one would be enough I think.

[Ovrad]

I'm not sure it's the right idea, cause instead of running the raid 20 times, the most effective way would be to run it once, TR, run it once again, and repeat if needed. This would pretty much just kill the raiding community.

Also, every other quests give junk for rewards, and you sometimes save the world in those as well, why should raids be any different?

[Hikup]

I like the idea of having maybe 1-3 random raid drops / store loot in the first reward, seems to go along with the "way to go" you get from npc's and the general atmosphere they're going for.

[LrdSlvrhnd]

i think the current system is fine. having raid loot choices every 20th keeps the raid active for turbine. if i got what i wanted the first completion, would there be any reason to go back? the answer is no. arent we getting full raid loot lists for raids every 20th soon anyways?

Is there really only ONE thing you want from any given raid list? And if it's a limited list, there's still no guarantee that what you want will drop. A first-time bonus just makes sense. "Woohoo, you saved the world! Here's... your choice of a bunch of garbage."

Keep special stuff, like tomes and Shroud cleansing item, out of the first-time list... but others? Yeah. A chance at a good ToD ring/accessory? Every large GS item? A quarter of the VoN/Abbott/DQ/etc. loot? Yes.

[DeafeningWhisper]

Is there really only ONE thing you want from any given raid list? And if it's a limited list, there's still no guarantee that what you want will drop. A first-time bonus just makes sense. "Woohoo, you saved the world! Here's... your choice of a bunch of garbage."

Keep special stuff, like tomes and Shroud cleansing item, out of the first-time list... but others? Yeah. A chance at a good ToD ring/accessory? Every large GS item? A quarter of the VoN/Abbott/DQ/etc. loot? Yes.

Maybe not a quarter of the list, just one item to commemorate the 1st completion.