Human Earth Savant gear

[deahamlet]

My earth savant will be earth/force/ice based with a few CC spells. Lots of conjuration spells but also some mass hold and Otto's.

Level 6-9 Spell list as an idea for what is important:
6: Acid Fog, Disintegrate, Flesh to Stone/Circle of Death (not decided)
7: Otto's Sphere, FoD, Prismatic Spray
8: Polar Ray, Otto's Irresistible, Incendiary Cloud/Symbol of Death [switch one out for Black Dragon Bolt, but Idk which to get rid of]
9: Mass Hold, Energy Drain, PWK/Wail

Belt: Thamor
Ring: Thamor
Ring: ToD (STR+6, exc CHA+1)/Ring of Thelis/Epic Ring of the Silver Concord
Helmet: Epic Helm of Frost
Necklace: Epic Shimmering Pendant/Epic Hyena Claw/Epic Necklace of Venom/Epic Shaman’s brooch/Torc/Napkin?
Cloak: Epic Cloak of the Silver Concord/Epic Envenomed Cloak/Magewright
Bracers: Braciers of the glacier - GS item?
Boots: Epic Boots of Corrosion/Epic Rock Boots (Rock Boots win)
Trinket: Epic Dusk Heart/Epic Pouch of Jerky/Litany/Craft whatever is missing
Goggles: Magewright - GS item?
Gloves: Gloves of the glacier - GS item?
Weapon: Epic Elyd Edge/(epic) Green Blade/GS item/Alchemical item/?Epic Staff of Arcane Power/?Epic Staff of Inner Sight
Armor: epic Diabolist for the +3 to Conjuration DC?

I'm aiming for non-Sands and non-VON epic items if possible.

Any advice? Any things I overlooked? I'd use magewright items while finishing epics and crafted gear (and rock boots). I'm taking SF/GSF: Conj and SP/GSP as feats plus SP enhancements.

Thank you.

[Justicesar]

I'll be switching to Earth as well with Fire/Ice a second option. Plan is to use Boots and Cloak fom Cannith Challenges and Sup Ice wand from Lord of Eyes??<<< Not sure which quest?? Second wand will be Greensteal or whatever the flavor of the week is. My biggest question is how will new enhancment trees do with what they have planned down the line??

[Ironforge_Clan]

I'm running a third life earth savant. My first life was as a cleric and my second was a favored soul. The following is my everyday setup:

Head - Epic Helm of Frost with +1 Exceptional Cha slotted
Necklace - Swap slot [Golden Cartouche, UWA item, Haggle item, etc.]
Trinket - Greater Cunning Trinket, Bauble, Crafted Trinket with Greater Necromancy Focus and 20% Electric Absorbtion, Epic Spyglass (TS & +3 UMD)
Cloak - Epic Envenomed Cloak nothing slotted yet
Belt - GS +45 HP/Heavy Fortification/+5 Protection
Ring - Crafted Greater Conjuration Focus
Gloves - Epic Charged Gauntlets
Boots - Epic Boots of Corrosions/Boots of Anchoring as required
Ring - Striding
Bracers - Bracers of the Glacier until such time as I get the Scorched Bracers shard
Armor - DT - Greater False Life, Greater Spell Penetration 8, & Exception Con +1
Goggles - GS - Blindness/Disease Immunity, +5 Cha skills, +300 SP [These should be upgraded to Con-Op]

I do have the epic Diabolist's Robe made but have found with the past lives my DCs are fine for the most part and my style of play. Beside I would need to grind out a number of epic tokens to slot what I am losing and I would need to repace the GSP8 which might prove difficult.

Most people probably wouldn't go for the full 5 piece Abishai on a sorc but I like having the resists, the extra con, and the +3 DC on conjuration spells...personal preference.

[Malky]

Most people probably wouldn't go for the full 5 piece Abishai on a sorc but I like having the resists, the extra con, and the added levels on my conjuration spells...personal preference.

From wiki :

5 Item Set Bonus: Profane Natural Armor Bonus +3, Profane Strength +3, Profane Constitution +3, Evocation Caster Level Bonus +3, Epic Conjuration Focus

i.e. no additionnal caster level for conjuration spells...

[Ironforge_Clan]

EDIT: It appears, as per deahamlet's post below and the link it refers to, that the item description is incorrect and therefore I stand corrected.

[deahamlet]

From the description on the items themselves:



Sorry but in this case the wiki is wrong and therefore so are you.

Actually a developer posted at some point when the Epic Conjuration part was NOT working at all that they fixed it and changed it into +3 to DCs of conjuration spells. Because they thought that was more useful.

Some discussion here since I'm too lazy to search for the developer post:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=314455

The tooltip on the items is still the old (incorrect) description. Also tested by people with the fact that 5 piece abishai does not stack with epic diabolist robe.

[deahamlet]

If you want +levels to your acid spells you need to get the Thamor set, it adds +2 to max caster level on earth savant spells. I don't know of anything else that adds levels to acid spells.

[Ironforge_Clan]

If you want +levels to your acid spells you need to get the Thamor set, it adds +2 to max caster level on earth savant spells. I don't know of anything else that adds levels to acid spells.

I prefer the +3 to the DC versus the +3 to caster levels but was under the understanding that the item description was correct.

[DDOisFree]

You can get plus 3 conjuration focus from an epic diabolist robe. The 5 piece abishai set bonus is a waste on a caster, especially because the gloves and bracers are useless for you.

[deahamlet]

You can get plus 3 conjuration focus from an epic diabolist robe. The 5 piece abishai set bonus is a waste on a caster, especially because the gloves and bracers are useless for you.

That's what I was thinking. I can put Glacier in one of those spots and GS item in the other.

And I can't think of a better robe or outfit for an earth savant... so might as well.

[Malky]

If you want +levels to your acid spells you need to get the Thamor set, it adds +2 to max caster level on earth savant spells. I don't know of anything else that adds levels to acid spells.

Epic staff of arcane power (+2 CL to all wiz/sorc spells)

Edit: Staff is +2 CL while set is +2 MCL so it's a different thing, but staff can help moving towards the MCL of BDB if you have the set : Black Dragon Bolt MCL=25+3+2=30 with set, CL=20+6+2=28... would need 2 more CL actually even with the staff equipped.
Other spells cap below CL20 so those are not of a concern here.

[Ironforge_Clan]

Also tested by people with the fact that 5 piece abishai does not stack with epic diabolist robe.

Hence the reasoning behind going one versus the other. Granted the robe/docent is easier to get than the five items but the combination of the five items greatly outshines the robe by itself. As I stated in my original post...I guess it is a personal preference choice since the set offers exactly what the robe does but with many more benefits and options if you look at everything you get including the number of epic slots.

You can get plus 3 conjuration focus from an epic diabolist robe. The 5 piece abishai set bonus is a waste on a caster, especially because the gloves and bracers are useless for you.

Disagree. The set is much harder to get so the robe can be a great place holder until you grind out all the pieces.

The gloves and bracers are not useless. I like having +6 Strength, Greater Lightning Resist and a yellow slot. Same with the Bracers. Having Greater Fire Resists and a green slot is very handy. I find it very hard to consider these item useless.

That's what I was thinking. I can put Glacier in one of those spots and GS item in the other.

And I can't think of a better robe or outfit for an earth savant... so might as well.

As I stated about the robe is alright but only as a place holder until you can grind out all five piece3s. The Abishai set allows more options in the long run. Beside the Glacier items are only really a benefit if you are going to wear both. The gloves are meh only offering some sp management but on a sorc that isn't necessary. The bracers are a better overall item if you are only going to slot one of them. Problem is many of the bracers benefits can be replaced by other items so they are not really that beneficial at end game.

[deahamlet]

It's a fact that with the way I have slotted everything else I cannot afford to take the whole 5 item set. I get STR somewhere else (my ring or if I decide to not use ToD ring - doubt it - I can slot STR+6 in one of the two colorless slots I get).

I get I think 1 blue, 2 yellow and 1 green slot the way I have my items. I think that includes the robe. I have room for Toughness and Heavy Fort while still having two slots for conc opp SP GS item AND an HP GS item (enervation or disintegration guard). If I'm desperate for the Good Luck blue slot, I can make the second GS item into min II and slot Good Luck instead of heavy fort. And I don't need Greater False Life as I have a Superior False Life item in the gear list.

So the benefits of 5 piece abishai set:
1. STR +6 - I already have that
2. More epic slots - I don't need more than the 1 green, 2 yellow, 1 blue, 2 colorless that I get
3. Elemental resistances - the only REALLY useful one is for tanking shadows. for that GS weapon is more useful plus since it will be forever before I get any of those trinket items (Litany, epic Sands items?! ha), I can craft cold absorption or cold resistance (greater I think).

The benefits of not taking the 5 piece abishai with the current gear I selected:
1. Two GS item slots - SP, HP items, conc opp, guard
2. Room for Glacier perhaps for spell pen VIII+archmagi OR max II, extend II.

Now for my FvS, I'll be taking at least the 3 set Abishai. The sorcerer I think is better suited to only use 2 Abishai items, but there's room to include one of either gloves or braciers if I want the profane CON.

[Ironforge_Clan]

It's a fact that with the way I have slotted everything else I cannot afford to take the whole 5 item set. I get STR somewhere else (my ring or if I decide to not use ToD ring - doubt it - I can slot STR+6 in one of the two colorless slots I get).

I get I think 1 blue, 2 yellow and 1 green slot the way I have my items. I think that includes the robe. I have room for Toughness and Heavy Fort while still having two slots for conc opp SP GS item AND an HP GS item (enervation or disintegration guard). If I'm desperate for the Good Luck blue slot, I can make the second GS item into min II and slot Good Luck instead of heavy fort. And I don't need Greater False Life as I have a Superior False Life item in the gear list.

So the benefits of 5 piece abishai set:
1. STR +6 - I already have that
2. More epic slots - I don't need more than the 1 green, 2 yellow, 1 blue, 2 colorless that I get
3. Elemental resistances - the only REALLY useful one is for tanking shadows. for that GS weapon is more useful plus since it will be forever before I get any of those trinket items (Litany, epic Sands items?! ha), I can craft cold absorption or cold resistance (greater I think).

The benefits of not taking the 5 piece abishai with the current gear I selected:
1. Two GS item slots - SP, HP items, conc opp, guard
2. Room for Glacier perhaps for spell pen VIII+archmagi OR max II, extend II.

Now for my FvS, I'll be taking at least the 3 set Abishai. The sorcerer I think is better suited to only use 2 Abishai items, but there's room to include one of either gloves or braciers if I want the profane CON.

It is always about what current gear one has! I started my sorc by building in the five pieces so other than having a set of the Glacial Bracers I really wasn't having an issue with gear. I also haven't been that impressed with the ToD sets so there was not real reason for me to farm for Thamor's. The only thing I did make during the past lives that I should have thought more about was my goggles. I should have gone Con-Op but at the time larges were not that plentiful for me.

Alway you can never have too many epic slots! The more the merrier but it means a lot more grinding to get the necessary tokens. I'm just hoping the Devs will do an update on what we can slot since currently the options are a bit limited and lackluster for epic items.

[deahamlet]

It is always about what current gear one has! I started my sorc by building in the five pieces so other than having a set of the Glacial Bracers I really wasn't having an issue with gear. I also haven't been that impressed with the ToD sets so there was not real reason for me to farm for Thamor's. The only thing I did make during the past lives that I should have thought more about was my goggles. I should have gone Con-Op but at the time larges were not that plentiful for me.

Alway you can never have too many epic slots! The more the merrier but it means a lot more grinding to get the necessary tokens. I'm just hoping the Devs will do an update on what we can slot since currently the options are a bit limited and lackluster for epic items.

That's fine, but I'm planning for what I should grind for. A few things here and there I already have (some seals, some shards), but other than that it's basically... what do I want to have on, what do I need to grind (and what epics do I want to try not to use).
For me: CON+10, CHA+10, Sup False Life, any erosion/corosion/acid items I can fit in, any + to DC or levels, etc... putting all the things I desire against the list of items that have those stats... removing as much as possible epic VON and epic Sands items... I end up with not really wanting to do 5 piece set, and instead wanting the robe. It doesn't hurt that I have the seal and shard for the robe and two coming up characters that will be capable of farming epic Chrono (FvS and PM wiz).

So the idea is... I'm not restricted. The gear I selected is what I'll work towards and I think it has a lot to offer and I don't think going 5 piece set is a good choice... for what I want. That's not to say that if one already has the 5 piece set it's a bad idea or something. Just that for what I want, I can achieve much more from my "must have" not using the 5 piece set, but wearing the robe instead.

If only they'd release something like the mabar robe is for wizards... but for sorcerers. Frozen tunic is the closest and it's for ice sorc only.