Bard song casting time

[red_cardinal]

Could we please get:
- shorter casting time for doing a bard song,
- different music.

As it is right now, it takes to long to play bard music to get the buffs. It should be max. 4 seconds or so.

[Claransa]

Yeah I agree, there's really no reason why a bards song should take any longer to play than it does to cast a spell.

[Aliss7]

If turbine just got rid of the weird cooldowns on and between the songs (they take long enough as is) that would be a big step forward in my mind.

[Memnir]

Could we please get:
- shorter casting time for doing a bard song,
- different music.

They already cut the play-time in half, and correspondingly cut the actual songs played in half. The songs used to sound kinda cool - but now they just sound bloody awful. It's for my money one of the worst and most amateur-hour choices the Devs have made when changing a class ability. Please don't cut them any further...


I'm all for new songs, though. Because, as I said, the truncated versions of the old ones just sound awkward and bad.

[Infant]

They already cut the play-time in half, and correspondingly cut the actual songs played in half. The songs used to sound kinda cool - but now they just sound bloody awful. It's for my money one of the worst and most amateur-hour choices the Devs have made when changing a class ability. Please don't cut them any further...


I'm all for new songs, though. Because, as I said, the truncated versions of the old ones just sound awkward and bad.

They could think about reducing the casting time on buff songs (casting time on fascinate is different thing), while still playing the full tune of the last song.

Infant

[Memnir]

They could think about reducing the casting time on buff songs (casting time on fascinate is different thing), while still playing the full tune of the last song.

Infant

Yeah, when they changed the songs to be shorter people pleaded for such a thing... no dice.


And, I'm not in any way against reducing the "casting" time for songs beyond the fact that last time it was handled so **** badly I'm gunshy about them trying it again.

[Missing_Minds]

They don't have to reduce casting times at all.

They have to give each song their own timer. I don't know about warchanter and virts, but on a Spell singer, there is exactly two timers.

1 timer for inspire courage.
1 timer for every other song.

[Infant]

They don't have to reduce casting times at all.

They have to give each song their own timer. I don't know about warchanter and virts, but on a Spell singer, there is exactly two timers.

1 timer for inspire courage.
1 timer for every other song.

Yes, timers are out of whack too. It's just an annoyance in case of timers for buff songs. And it's insane on a spellsinger with few casters in a raid.

[Aliss7]

They don't have to reduce casting times at all.

They have to give each song their own timer. I don't know about warchanter and virts, but on a Spell singer, there is exactly two timers.

1 timer for inspire courage.
1 timer for every other song.

I'm sorry for being really thick-headed here, but could you explain what that "give each song their own timer" means and how that would work?

Right now I click inspire courage, wait for song/animation to end, then click next song, repeat... sometimes there are cooldown timers on the songs where I need to wait a few seconds before actually being able to click on the next song even if the animation is done...

[Demaril]

if each song had its own timer you could sing a song soon as it ends start singing a different song, rather than currently when yo using one song moth the others go on a global song call down, so for example my warchanter im lvling has insp courage insp greatness and iron skin as group buffs if i sing greatness/iron skin then courage then the other its all good but if i were to sing courage then skin id have to wai ta few seconds before greatness was usable with the length of time the songs take to sing my groups are 95% of the time moved apart by time theyre sung using the fastest method 1 finger slip and use the longer duration and you can forget getting all 3 done

[Missing_Minds]

I'm sorry for being really thick-headed here, but could you explain what that "give each song their own timer" means and how that would work?

Right now I click inspire courage, wait for song/animation to end, then click next song, repeat... sometimes there are cooldown timers on the songs where I need to wait a few seconds before actually being able to click on the next song even if the animation is done...

Inspire Courage has its own timer. Timer A.
Fascinate I forget because it is in a completely different location on my screen.
Suggestion uses Timer B.
Inspire Confidence uses Timer B.
Inspire Greatness uses Timer B.
Song of Freedom uses Timer B.
Inspire Heroics uses Timer B.
Mass Suggestion (no clue, I've never used.)
Spellsinger : Spellsong Trance uses Timer B
Spellsinger : Spellsong Vigor uses Timer B
Spellsinger : Song of Arcane Might uses Timer B

When Timer B is counting, you can't do any other song, so you sit.. and you wait... and you wait... and you wait...

By giving each song their own timer (C, D, E, etc.), as soon as your "casting" is done, you could go to the next song right away and NOT wait.

I should NOT have to wait to sing "Spellsinger : Spellsong Trance" just because I just sang "Inspire Greatness", but that is exactly what is happening because they share the same timer.

[Aliss7]

Inspire Courage has its own timer. Timer A.
Fascinate I forget because it is in a completely different location on my screen.
Suggestion uses Timer B.
Inspire Confidence uses Timer B.
Inspire Greatness uses Timer B.
Song of Freedom uses Timer B.
Inspire Heroics uses Timer B.
Mass Suggestion (no clue, I've never used.)
Spellsinger : Spellsong Trance uses Timer B
Spellsinger : Spellsong Vigor uses Timer B
Spellsinger : Song of Arcane Might uses Timer B

When Timer B is counting, you can't do any other song, so you sit.. and you wait... and you wait... and you wait...

By giving each song their own timer (C, D, E, etc.), as soon as your "casting" is done, you could go to the next song right away and NOT wait.

Ah. ok, thanks for that. That's the outcome I wanted above, but didn't understand the terms.

I think it may be slightly different on a warchanter, because I'm pretty sure I've played Inspire Heroics one after another to a line of melees in the party without having to wait at all (although I could be misremembering... I'll have to pay more attention next time I login ).

[JOTMON]

I would like to see the songs be able to be sung as compilations.
Upgrade songs as opposed to each one being an independent songs. Combine Freedom, Courage and Heroics into 1 song
As the bard levels his songs improve becoming stronger, building upon the previous song.

As to the music.. pick some licenses to good song clips.
I would DDO store some song choices.
Start with the intro on Deep Purple's Smoke on the Water.

[LrdSlvrhnd]

Inspire Courage has its own timer. Timer A.
Fascinate I forget because it is in a completely different location on my screen.
Suggestion uses Timer B.
Inspire Confidence uses Timer B.
Inspire Greatness uses Timer B.
Song of Freedom uses Timer B.
Inspire Heroics uses Timer B.
Mass Suggestion (no clue, I've never used.)
Spellsinger : Spellsong Trance uses Timer B
Spellsinger : Spellsong Vigor uses Timer B
Spellsinger : Song of Arcane Might uses Timer B

When Timer B is counting, you can't do any other song, so you sit.. and you wait... and you wait... and you wait...

By giving each song their own timer (C, D, E, etc.), as soon as your "casting" is done, you could go to the next song right away and NOT wait.

I should NOT have to wait to sing "Spellsinger : Spellsong Trance" just because I just sang "Inspire Greatness", but that is exactly what is happening because they share the same timer.

On my virt:

Timer A - Inspire Courage.
Timer B - Inspire Greatness, Sustaining Song (Virt), Enthrallment (Virt), Song of Capering (Virt), Fascinate, Mass Suggestion, Inspire Competence (I would assume Suggestion as well, but I no longer have that hotbarred.)
Inspire Heroics and Song of Freedom don't really seem to have a timer - there's just the 1-second sweep of everything (including spells, equipment, etc. - EVERYTHING)

It would be nice to get more stuff off Timer B; individual timers would be great.

However, what I *really* want is a mass song - one that I could set up to run Inspire Courage, Inspire Greatness, & Sustaining Song at once (or your choice of any/all songs). Even if it still took a use for every song attached to it (and even if it took an extra use, so those three songs would cost four uses), it would be great.

Just picture a bard with Epic Elyd Edge (with Inspiring Echoes, which makes the single-person songs such as Inspire Competence and Inspire Heroics affect everyone nearby) singing once and giving everyone IC, IG, IH, the other IC, and any applicable prestige songs (SS for virts, Spellsong Trance/Arcane Might/Arcane Vigor for Spellsingers, & Ironskin Chant, Song of Recklessness, and Song of Heroism for warchanters) to everyone...