Artificer ToD rings.. Tired of being screwed

[Grandesa]

I just posted my above rants and ravings a couple of hours ago. After reading over it a couple of times, I know now that many of the replies to this post hold alot of truths and many good points. and Yeah at that time I was an OP. I don't like to consider myself OP and I know I'm better then that.

At the time when i wrote this, yes i was extremely mad to yet see another lost ToD ring roll to another player which in my mind I knew I would have had a much better use then that player but he won it fairly, just like the other 5 (all of which were rolls which I lost to them fairly) I Failed to see that from this most recent ToD and I was a fool to go off on anyone or character class in my original post.

Yeah I'm still not happy to see it, but as one of u posted, yes only 9 runs in on my TR (Which BTW yes I have 3+ years of DDO NonEpic/Epic raids and 2 current toons each with over 80-90 completes of ToD on all difficulties not including the 40+ completes on my Arti's PL, Don't judge what u don't know about the player) and the best thing to do is keep at it until either I get lucky on a roll or take it on one of my 20th's. So in Retrospect, I want to apologize for the total lack of respect of any players that have toon's in my ranting session I have mentioned.

I do however would like to say that even though I went off the deepend on my original post, I still think that with all the crafting abilities this game has to offer, Respect the factor of when you know in your heart that "hey this guy/gal could really see alot more benefit from this item/wep/ring then me" give that other person a chance or break. I know from my own experience w/ my other char's with the ungodly 80+ completions that patience will win in the end and that perfect will come in time.

and Yes I would still like to see item sets in ToD to those who play classes that have to fall under the same category of chancing rolls and patience that I know now I am a part of. FvS, Artificer, upcoming Druid, and any other class that i have not mentioned or yet to come. Make us a worthy TOD SET!

My idea is not to remove these sets from ToD, it would become another DDO raid that would dwindle away because of lack of need to run. Find a way to make it work, I know Class only ToD sets is not a good idea the more i think about it, (My Multiclass Tempest ranger uses Ravager set) Failed thought

[Ziindarax]

I just posted my above rants and ravings a couple of hours ago. After reading over it a couple of times, I know now that many of the replies to this post hold alot of truths and many good points. and Yeah at that time I was an OP. I don't like to consider myself OP and I know I'm better then that.

At the time when i wrote this, yes i was extremely mad to yet see another lost ToD ring roll to another player which in my mind I knew I would have had a much better use then that player but he won it fairly, just like the other 5 (all of which were rolls which I lost to them fairly) I Failed to see that from this most recent ToD and I was a fool to go off on anyone or character class in my original post.

Yeah I'm still not happy to see it, but as one of u posted, yes only 9 runs in on my TR (Which BTW yes I have 3+ years of DDO NonEpic/Epic raids and 2 current toons each with over 80-90 completes of ToD on all difficulties not including the 40+ completes on my Arti's PL, Don't judge what u don't know about the player) and the best thing to do is keep at it until either I get lucky on a roll or take it on one of my 20th's. So in Retrospect, I want to apologize for the total lack of respect of any players that have toon's in my ranting session I have mentioned.

I do however would like to say that even though I went off the deepend on my original post, I still think that with all the crafting abilities this game has to offer, Respect the factor of when you know in your heart that "hey this guy/gal could really see alot more benefit from this item/wep/ring then me" give that other person a chance or break. I know from my own experience w/ my other char's with the ungodly 80+ completions that patience will win in the end and that perfect will come in time.

and Yes I would still like to see item sets in ToD to those who play classes that have to fall under the same category of chancing rolls and patience that I know now I am a part of. FvS, Artificer, upcoming Druid, and any other class that i have not mentioned or yet to come. Make us a worthy TOD SET!

My idea is not to remove these sets from ToD, it would become another DDO raid that would dwindle away because of lack of need to run. Find a way to make it work, I know Class only ToD sets is not a good idea the more i think about it, (My Multiclass Tempest ranger uses Ravager set) Failed thought

That's the spirit, and apology accepted (I hope you did not find my post too harsh, as I was only going off the information I saw in the OP).

[Krell]

I know how it feels. Over a year ago I ran von5-6 on my barb and the sos dropped for an AA ranger. Some in the group asked if he wanted to put it up for roll since it is a coveted melee item, unless he planned to TR or something. After a couple minutes of it sitting in the chest, he loots it without saying a word. Totally his right, I can't knock him, it was his loot. Just for my personal sanity though I added him to my friends list and check him from time to time. Still an AA ranger with a sos in the bank. I can't assign any blame, but being human it can be frustrating after putting in a lot of time and still not having that prized item.

[Bacab]

My melee WF FVS pulled a Gnawed Ring today on my FVS and kept it...because its really nice. It also matches the belt I wear.

I considered putting it up for roll...but since there is not a ring I would rather have on "my guy" I kept it.

Does this make me a bad boy?

[goodspeed]

dey took er lootz!!!!! E took ur lootz! E took ma lootz!!!

Now if you went to that guy/gal and said hey... I'll give you 4 large devil scales for that there ring. They would have said.. ya *** here.

Theirs no such thing as a constant good will towards man. That's bs and a made up story. Now cash, cash is always a barter.

[UrbanPyro]

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[azrael4h]

I know how it feels. Over a year ago I ran von5-6 on my barb and the sos dropped for an AA ranger. Some in the group asked if he wanted to put it up for roll since it is a coveted melee item, unless he planned to TR or something. After a couple minutes of it sitting in the chest, he loots it without saying a word. Totally his right, I can't knock him, it was his loot. Just for my personal sanity though I added him to my friends list and check him from time to time. Still an AA ranger with a sos in the bank. I can't assign any blame, but being human it can be frustrating after putting in a lot of time and still not having that prized item.

Same thing happened to me, except it was a wizard who looted. I heard much whining that day from a barbarian, one of the very few to find their way onto my blacklist.

[Plaidpooka]

In this thread, OP is upset because someone else's loot isn't his/hers.

Agreed. Unless I have joined a group and agreed to a specific request in advance, my loot is mine. To keep for any reason, to give away to anyone for any reason, or to put up for a roll, if I decide to. That's a simple game fact, and not worth raising one's blood pressure over.

[Grandesa]

Yes I was extremely mad in my original post, and yes I was way overboard on it, Yes in the top of page 2 in this forum post I realized many things and posted an apology. But for the sake of where this post is now going I am going to give you all the end details of the ToD raid. From there you all can leave your own opinions and answers if you choose to do so.

ToD end chest. Rhakir's ring drops to CC caster and decides to put up for roll.
FvS and Artificer shows interest.
FvS solely wants it only for the 0.5 crit chance which was stated in raid when asked why he wants to roll for it.
Artificer wants it for everything on the ring, +6 int, +1 exceptional Int, and 0.5 crit bonus which the artificer stated how much it would benefit.
At this point the FvS and Arti rolled, FvS won it fairly as I stated in my 2nd posting top of page 2.

Now to you all, here is my question knowing the above information?
Would you have rolled just to gain that one ability? (considering requires both pieces needed to gain that effect).
or
Would you pass the Item onto the Artificer?

Now with that said yes, there are alot of if factors involved. what is the FvS wearing in neck slot, what would have to be slotted diff, etc... same goes for the Artificer, I will leave the rest up to you all to decide.

At this point for all purposes considered this is not intended to be a player hate, hate player discussion, I am leaving it for opinions and maybe just maybe might help show something inside each of us and you that to just read this and answer to yourself or in a reply to this post, I leave it to you to decide...

[Havok.cry]

In this thread, OP is upset because someone else's loot isn't his/hers.

This

This post cannot get enough pos reps.

and this.

Although to the OP, my lack of a torc feels your pain... im only at 40 runs though, so I hope I can have in in no more than 20 more (/prays to loot gods, /sacrifices another puppy on the loot altar)

[djl]

dey took er lootz!!!!! E took ur lootz! E took ma lootz!!!

Now if you went to that guy/gal and said hey... I'll give you 4 large devil scales for that there ring. They would have said.. ya *** here.

Theirs no such thing as a constant good will towards man. That's bs and a made up story. Now cash, cash is always a barter.

Not sure what you're trying to say, but buying/selling raid loot is a mortal sin. It's extremely rude and unfair to everyone else in the party who would otherwise have gotten a chance to roll on something. Trying to buy or sell raid loot will land you on many people's squelch lists.

[waterboytkd]

Run 9 - Rahkir's Ring - FvS took it! Why? for the 0.5 spell crit only!!!! Why am I really ****ed? he alrdy has an Archmage Item and superior arcane lore and he most likely could've crafted the spell critability!

XD

How many kittens do I have to murder to get Sup Arcane Lore, or craft Major Arcane Lore? And why doesn't my Rahkir's Ring have Archmagi on it?

[FastTaco]

I really dislike TOD drops because I've ran 79 times on one toon, never got the ring I was looking for but it was there on my 80th... but so was a +4 con tome! What a horrible choice to make. ;/

I took the con tome so hopefully my 100th will have the ring again... or I get lucky and pull it from the chest.

[dredre9987]

Not your loot = Not your loot

I also notice your arti is wearing verik's set which is a kensai bonus if I recall....I can only assume that there were no fighters at the time you got this...Or that they all had it already...eh i guess its ok if you get an extra fusilade out of it right? thats kinda like .5 crit chance eh? ( that comment is about the neck btw ) heck the set bonus to hit is melee only as I recall seeing as you have a GS repeater I'm doubting your melee speced .


suck it up buttercup

no reason to dilute the already bad loot table for rings in ToD, Do you really want an even worse chance at pulling the ring you want?


BTW OP refers to you as the Original Poster.

[NaturalHazard]

Not sure what you're trying to say, but buying/selling raid loot is a mortal sin. It's extremely rude and unfair to everyone else in the party who would otherwise have gotten a chance to roll on something. Trying to buy or sell raid loot will land you on many people's squelch lists.

how do you know it would of gone up for roll? Ive seen people about to loot something for themselves but change their mind because the 5 lds would be more useful to them than the item. For example its of marginal use but the extra greensteel item they can craft would be more useful to them, or they can use it to buy that epic scroll that they have been after. The item they might of planned to loot might of been for a TR but they are willing to forgo it if the price is right.

Ive never offered to sell something, or offered to buy raid loot, but ive had people offer to give me something for my raid loot and ive decided to give it to them for that price, ive joined lfms where the leader was offer frds for so and so an item and when it dropped ive traded it to them. Have I commited some mortal sin? Am I now some evil person who is going to rot in some ddo hell in the after life? Geez. And if they price was insultingly low ive put stuff up for roll, in those cases was glad to see the guy offering pocket change loose, or if it was useful to me I took it.

People will always covet other peoples loot and get butt hurt over that other people do with their loot, I hope they squelch me because I hate grouping with whinging greedy cry babies, I got squelched for putting my loot up for roll ffs you can't win with some people they are only happy if all everyone elses lootz is belong to them.

[Dragavon]

OK, I have done ToD 9 times on my artificer since his TR,

9 times in ToD and you complain?

I consider myself lucky that I have got most of the rings I want in 20-30 runs per character

And you have no right to complain that other people take the loot that drops for them. Its their loot, not yours.

[Plaidpooka]

Yes I was extremely mad in my original post, and yes I was way overboard on it, Yes in the top of page 2 in this forum post I realized many things and posted an apology. But for the sake of where this post is now going I am going to give you all the end details of the ToD raid. From there you all can leave your own opinions and answers if you choose to do so.

ToD end chest. Rhakir's ring drops to CC caster and decides to put up for roll.
FvS and Artificer shows interest.
FvS solely wants it only for the 0.5 crit chance which was stated in raid when asked why he wants to roll for it.
Artificer wants it for everything on the ring, +6 int, +1 exceptional Int, and 0.5 crit bonus which the artificer stated how much it would benefit.
At this point the FvS and Arti rolled, FvS won it fairly as I stated in my 2nd posting top of page 2.

Now to you all, here is my question knowing the above information?
Would you have rolled just to gain that one ability? (considering requires both pieces needed to gain that effect).
or
Would you pass the Item onto the Artificer?

Now with that said yes, there are alot of if factors involved. what is the FvS wearing in neck slot, what would have to be slotted diff, etc... same goes for the Artificer, I will leave the rest up to you all to decide.

At this point for all purposes considered this is not intended to be a player hate, hate player discussion, I am leaving it for opinions and maybe just maybe might help show something inside each of us and you that to just read this and answer to yourself or in a reply to this post, I leave it to you to decide...

I agree with a previous poster. Not your loot = not your loot. To answer your question, I might give it to an Arti, or I might keep it on a FVS, or keep it for a toon I'm TRing, or I might take it and sell it to a vendor. Regardless of what choice a person might make, it's their choice.

I do appreciate the toned down style of your later posts. Rage posting can be entertaining, but it's not going to get you the response you are looking for. Not only did you notice that, but you were polite enough to make adjustments.

*Edited for typo.*

[AMDarkwolf]

OK, I have done ToD 9 times on my artificer since his TR, just came out of one.. AND 6 out of 9 times, I GET SCREWED on the rings. Each time there was a viable ring that closest matched the needs of an artificer, some DA decides he/she wants it for a single stat or ability. Ya want perfect examples of how really ****ed off I am?

Run 1 - My First time in since TR Whisper ring dropped, guess what class rolled and took it? a Barbarian, why you ask? for the sneak attack! and he was one of the Tanks!

Run 2 - skunk chest

Run 3 - Ring of Deftness. what class took it? a Wizard! why? only for the +1 exceptional int. Thats It? really? ***??? you can craft that with epic dungeon tokens!

Run 4 - Gilvaenor's Ring. Agian Screwed by a useless class taking it. Fighter! why? for reflex saves. (it's a RANGED ring set! not melee!)

Run 5 - Skunked yet again

Run 7 - Nyoko's Band - Again screwed! by the Main Tank of all characters! Why? Of all things! the dumb invis. clicky!

Run 6 - Band of Siberys - Who took this ring? A freaking Rogue! why? only for the +6 Con!! why am i ****ed bout this one?? I have stat'd my Artificer for Range Tanking MA, With gear. I have full use of this set.. I even tried to advise this person that he could easily buy or craft something that simple. Still got screwed.

Run 8 - Skunked

Run 9 - Rahkir's Ring - FvS took it! Why? for the 0.5 spell crit only!!!! Why am I really ****ed? he alrdy has an Archmage Item and superior arcane lore and he most likely could've crafted the spell critability! YEAH 7 points of Intelligence wasted because of 0.5 crit chance.

SO yeah I'm REALLY sick and tired of getting shafted every single time i have done this raid, It's to this point that I am making this post. And I already know any and almost every guaranteed time I run this raid (which I'm to the point of not bothering with it because of DA people w/o any clue) I'm not going to get an extremely viable ring that drops in the chest because of some DA reason or another.

PLEASE make us a ToD set! Or even better yet, Put class use only on the Rings! Artificers don't have a chance in H#LL of getting ToD rings from there Becuz of really DA people who can practically either buy or craft that single dumb thing they want from a ring that will most likely get used for a couple weeks then rot away in their bank!!!!

Dev's I know this post is not the kindest posted you've read in a LONG time, but I speak for all artificers and other classes that do NOT have the luxury of having class based ring's in the ToD raid. It really makes me and many other players ****ed off, hurt, or even mad enough that run this raid over, and over, and over again and get dealt the same crappy stained card everytime because some player decides he wants a ring that almost totally useless except for 1 reason, stat, or ability. Which now can easily be either crafted, Epic crafted, hell even found in random junk chests...

WE BEG of you to please, please, please make the artificer class, upcoming druid class (yeah they'll get shafted too in ToD), and any other class/PrE thats missing from this raid a ToD ring set PLEASE

I'm thinking this is pretty much made up. Why? well...

first off, the ninja spy RING doesn't have any invis clickie. thats the neaklace u can get in the tod raid part 2 chest, or (I think) genisis point.
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2nd, Not one of the rings, have con. The con component is on the neak or belt part of each set. NEVER on the ring.

3rd, a fighter wants reflex... why is that bad?

Anyways, it really boggles me here, your ragin on this when really, any ring, when used right, can be used/useful to any build. Hell if its someones first run, and they get a ring, well POOF they just got themselves a very useful and VERY HARD TO SLOT, +2 exceptional stat.

And its not your loot so i don't get it. IMO u got skunked on all 9 of them chests. Welcome.

my monk, now get ready cuz at this point I think you will THANK the stars you have only seen 9 runs, ran tod ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY TIMES, before he got his shintao. Yes, thats 120 runs PLUS 6 20th end rewards before he got his shintao. Count that, And before he got his berserker (His first ring) he had done 60 runs (I believe it was his 60th end reward he pulled the ring)


Don't get me wrong, the RNG can work both ways, my OTHER toon(my current main) got his beserker AND shintao on the first run he did(Nobody wanted the beserker, go figure, and pulled the shintao himself) and since then, Atma has (I think) 20ish ToD rings sitting in his TR cache. Any 'useless' ring i pulled was long since npc'ed, the rest are 'just in case I need it someday'

So take that however you want, tod has an ugly mechanic(IMO the 20th reward list should show ALL rings, not just 'some')

I'm sorry you have had bad luck, it happens, for now i suggest u just snag any old ring that drops(as in any) and put on your fav +2 exp and wait for your 'real' ring. Truth is, at this time, tod rings just are not the best-in-slot anymore, and I'm sure you can find better. (Or at least something to 'hold' you for now)

[Oakianus]

Not sure what you're trying to say, but buying/selling raid loot is a mortal sin. It's extremely rude and unfair to everyone else in the party who would otherwise have gotten a chance to roll on something. Trying to buy or sell raid loot will land you on many people's squelch lists.

Nah. Your loot is your loot, period. If you want to sell it, sell it. If you want to leave it to rot in the chest, go for it.

This, of course, only applies if it drops in your name. If you won it on a roll, you take it from the chest. But if it dropped in your name, there's no problem at all in selling it, and anyone who'd squelch you for it needs to take a pill of the chill variety.

[Dunklerlindwurm]

To the OP: Really? That upset after only 9 runs? Good lord mate, clearly you have not raided or ran epics a lot...

But seriously, ToD rings could use a change. It's even more relevant considering the upcoming Enhancements revamp because a lot more PrE (and new classes) should become accessible.


Suggestion: Replace all rings in ToD by class generic ones, with unlockable PrE!

What I mean by that is instead of having a Frenzied Berserker ring, a Ravager Ring, and an Occult Slayer ring, you only get a Barbarian Ring, which can be crafted into the old ones. Same for any other class, including FvS, Arti and Druids (eventually). You could then choose which PrE you unlock for it, using ingredients, probably small or medium shroud ingredients, to unlock the exceptional +1 stat and PrE bonus at the same time.


So in the end, for example, you'd have in the ToD chest:
Barbarian Ring : Strength +6, Prestigious Potential, Incredible Potential

Then (using let's say small shroud ingredients) unlock the prestige and it becomes:
Encrusted Ring: Strength +6, Exceptional Strength +1, Frenzied Berserker, Incredible Potential
or
Gnawed Ring: Strength +6, Exceptional Constitution +1, Occult Slayer, Incredible Potential
or
Ring of the Ravager: Strength +6, Exceptional Strength +1, Ravager, Incredible Potential


It would greatly help the incredibly low drop rates of specific rings, and allow for easy addition of new rings.

Great Idea Ovrad. Nothing to add to this except....do this!