I have been trying to build a Rogue Barbarian for a while and everyone I do seems to fade out of usefulness at about level 8 or 9. Not trying to make an uber build, just one that can work well within a group. I think the toon should be able to do damage, be survivable and have some basic trap skills. I initially wanted prestige assassin and berserker, but found I could not get prerequisites for both. So ended up with thief acrobat and berserker.
Take a look and offer some tweaks. It will be a TR toon fighter past life. Wanted toon to be highly skilled, that is why intel is where it is.
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.12.01 DDO Character Planner Home Page half elf rog barb Level 20 Chaotic Good Half-Elf Male (14 Barbarian \ 6 Rogue) Hit Points: 366 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 18\18\23\28\28 Fortitude: 14 Reflex: 14 Will: 6 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 16 20 Dexterity 16 20 Constitution 14 16 Intelligence 14 14 Wisdom 10 10 Charisma 8 8 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 7 23 Bluff -1 -1 Concentration 2 3 Diplomacy -1 -1 Disable Device 4 24 Haggle 3 4 Heal 0 0 Hide 7 11 Intimidate -1 22 Jump 7 18 Listen 0 0 Move Silently 7 13 Open Lock 7 14 Perform n/a n/a Repair 2 2 Search 6 14 Spot 2 2 Swim 3 5 Tumble 7 19 Use Magic Device 3 22 Level 1 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+4) Skill: Disable Device (+2) Skill: Haggle (+4) Skill: Hide (+4) Skill: Jump (+4) Skill: Move Silently (+4) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+4) Skill: Spot (+2) Skill: Tumble (+4) Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Ranger Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Improved Tumble I Level 2 (Barbarian) Skill: Intimidate (+5) Skill: Jump (+1) Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I Level 3 (Barbarian) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I Level 4 (Barbarian) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Jump (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I Level 5 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+5) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Tumble (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction I Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I Level 6 (Barbarian) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Cleave Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost II Enhancement: Improved Ranger Dilettante I Level 7 (Barbarian) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I Level 8 (Barbarian) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I Level 9 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Haggle (+1) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I Level 10 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+2) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+2) Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II Enhancement: Improved Balance I Enhancement: Improved Balance II Level 11 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+3) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Search (+3) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II Level 12 (Rogue) Ability Raise: DEX Skill: Balance (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+3) Skill: Hide (+1) Skill: Move Silently (+1) Skill: Search (+2) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Improved Tumble II Level 13 (Barbarian) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II Level 14 (Barbarian) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II Level 15 (Barbarian) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery II Level 16 (Barbarian) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution II Level 17 (Barbarian) Skill: Intimidate (+3) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness III Level 18 (Barbarian) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness IV Level 19 (Barbarian) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Improved Ranger Dilettante II Enhancement: Improved Ranger Dilettante III Level 20 (Barbarian) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Jump (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Trap Sense I Enhancement: Rogue Wand Heightening I
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02-09-2012, 01:33 PM #1Community Member
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Half Elf Rogue Barb
Talk low, talk slow, and don’t talk too much.
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02-09-2012, 04:05 PM #2Community Member
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Originally Posted by sercana
"The feat "Toughness", is invaluable for any build. Always take at least one, even if your mother told you not to."
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02-09-2012, 05:44 PM #3Build Constructionist
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What sort of TR can't afford a +2 DEX tome?
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02-09-2012, 06:14 PM #4Community Member
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One that has never TR'd before. Never really thought about tomes guess I should. So you think best tome would be +2 dex.
Talk low, talk slow, and don’t talk too much.
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02-09-2012, 07:23 PM #5Build Constructionist
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Unless there's some compelling reason to go HE I'm missing, I would probably go human for the extra feat & skill pts. Base stats something like 18 / 15 / 14 / 12 / 8 / 8 with a +2 DEX tome to get ITWF & GTWF and if possible a +2 INT tome for extra skill pts.
Also, I would go rogue 7 / barb 12 / ftr 1 so you can squeeze in another feat & +1D6 SA. That's enough feats for TWF x3, Power Atk, Cleave, Toughness, khopesh, IC Slash, plus one more (e.g., Imp Sunder).
I'm not sure why you put so many skill pts into Balance, Jump, Hide, MS, and Tumble, yet have such a low Search score. You realize if you can't find a trap, you can't disable it, right? Unless you've got the gear & buffs to get away with less, always max out Search & Disable on a trapmonkey, IMHO. [Spot's also a good idea if you haven't memorized trap locations.]
EDIT: and don't forget that while Raged, you can't do traps or use wands & scrolls, so time your anger management issues accordingly.
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02-09-2012, 07:45 PM #6Community Member
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thanks, for the feed back.
I realized after that I failed to get search and spot to appropriate level, will re work those. Half elf was just flavor, but human definitely makes more sense.
where would you take the fighter level? in the first three levels?
Now that y'all have me thinking of tomes, I think at 7 I'll just go +2 across the board.Talk low, talk slow, and don’t talk too much.
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02-09-2012, 07:59 PM #7Community Member
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I was looking for a rogue acro build for my TR fighter and tried a few combo's of pure/barb/fighter and was following the big f'n stick builds but since u want to go mostly barb i think u need to think about your play style.
I'll explain.
I had a pure rogue with int as a dump stat and max'd str, but doing nothing but elites had to totally max my trap gear every odd level to be able to hit them. So by going only 6-7 levels of rogue you may have to limit yourself to normal traps, etc. But if you group and want that elite streak you'll be playing the barb role alot. So i would level up in barb pure till u get the pre level u want, so 6th, 12th, what ever, then take your rogue levels to boost your damage later in the game.
I found that with my ranger life, that after 12th tactics need to change with melees and a class change for some nice situational damage and evasion when your 4 million hp's are now not enough, is a great boost. Maybe it only worked on a ranger because all their tier 3(all one of them) are so weak and their spells max out at 14th.
FYI the fighter TR was a 13 fighter(power surge yum!) 7 barb WF monster and i TR into a Horc acro til 6th then took fighter 1 and sits at 8/1 atm.
I love playing rogues and int based toons seam to be able to slash rogue very well, but others, like barb/ranger/ etc will find it very hard. If your on kyber mail me on my main "nonreflectiv", he'll be the insane Helf arty with the bad haircut.
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02-09-2012, 08:28 PM #8Build Constructionist
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Quick-n-dirty build to get you started:
I skipped rogue PrE because IMHO the 1st-tier ones don't add enough to this build to be worth the AP cost.Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.11.02 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 True Neutral Human Female (1 Fighter \ 12 Barbarian \ 7 Rogue) Hit Points: 338 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 18\18\23\28\28 Fortitude: 15 Reflex: 12 Will: 6 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 18 26 Dexterity 15 17 Constitution 14 16 Intelligence 12 14 Wisdom 8 10 Charisma 8 10 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Level 1 (Rogue) Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Level 2 (Barbarian) Level 3 (Barbarian) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Level 4 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Level 5 (Barbarian) Level 6 (Barbarian) Feat: (Selected) Cleave Level 7 (Rogue) Level 8 (Fighter) Ability Raise: STR Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Level 9 (Barbarian) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Level 10 (Barbarian) Level 11 (Rogue) Level 12 (Barbarian) Ability Raise: STR Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 13 (Barbarian) Level 14 (Rogue) Level 15 (Barbarian) Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh Level 16 (Barbarian) Ability Raise: STR Level 17 (Rogue) Level 18 (Barbarian) Feat: (Selected) Improved Sunder Level 19 (Barbarian) Level 20 (Rogue) Ability Raise: STR Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage III Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack III Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage III Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage IV Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II Enhancement: Human Versatility I Enhancement: Human Versatility II Enhancement: Human Versatility III Enhancement: Human Versatility IV Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery II
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02-11-2012, 05:28 PM #9Community Member
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Of the 1st tier rogue PrEs, Acrobat gives you nothing, Assassin gives you very little DPS, Mechanic gives you a little bump in trap skills. You mentioned skills being important, so if you do pick any Mechanic is the way to go.
I think you will be unhappy with your survivability, but a build like unbongwah's should satisfy all your other goals.
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