Sigh ... no ML rings gone

[DeltaBravo]

They're 'stealing money' now?!

Anyone with the tiniest fraction of common sense had to be able to look at the ML on those rings and know that they weren't WAI. If people spent their money to take advantage of a bug and that bug is now going away, that's definitely not Turbine's mistake.

as staed before can you show me the KNOW BUG REPORT and show me where it says itss a know bug ? if you can do that ill admit it to be a bug and my own fault that i wasted my money on a pack wich i thougt had items that was WAI. Intil then i will stil not call that item a bug.
And if ther eis a bug in the game. IAM actully paying money each month to make sure those bugs gets fixed, But 90% of the time i do not know of a bug but i need to know so i do not do stubid things like buying a quest pack for an item wich is not showed up anywhere as a bug, so is it not turbine faults that the bug is out there and yet not warning people about that bug ? So yes this is Turbibnes fault indeed sir.

[stainer]

as staed before can you show me the KNOW BUG REPORT and show me where it says itss a know bug ? if you can do that ill admit it to be a bug and my own fault that i wasted my money on a pack wich i thougt had items that was WAI. Intil then i will stil not call that item a bug.

There isn't a known bug report. Turbine doesn't publicly address them, other than on the Lam forums. There is a known issues list, which is different.

[Thrudh]

If you know you are going to change (fix/nerf/rebreak/break/make useless/balance/take a dump on) an item/reward system, SAY so right away...better yet DO so right away.

FYI - I'll help you out. Probably EVERY item/reward/class build/etc systems is going to be fixed/nerfed/broken/balanced/etc over the years.

Welcome to MMOs. Things change.

This change wasn't even unexpected. It was OBVIOUSLY a bug. Items have MLs for a reason.

[MRMechMan]

It's funny because bugs that DON'T benefit players tend to hang around forever.


Here's to you, gate in delera2!

Bugs that DO benefit players seem to get cleared up fairly quickly. That bug with the tile pieces in delerium wasn't closed off because the quest was broken. It was closed off when they discovered it was a good source of guild renown. Been off their game though lately. 1 YEAR for this one...1month+ for big bad bag bug (C)

If it takes a year to change, is it on us, or them?

It's like someone selling me a sports car, then 2 weeks later they come back and repossess it.

"I paid for that car, what are you doing?!"

Sorry we got a call a year ago, it's not WAI. But you can drive this minivan instead, no charge.

"If you got the call a year ago, why did you sell me that car?"

How else were we gonna sell it?

[DeltaBravo]

There isn't a known bug report. Turbine doesn't publicly address them, other than on the Lam forums. There is a known issues list, which is different.

Excatly.. And does it show on that list that those rings are bugged ? nope. How am i too know that a ring with NoML is not WAI ? sould i ask a GM each time i see an item i think is too good for the ML ?


All iam saying is, when you make a mistake and you know of it.. you sould let people know that this is actully not working as it sould do.. and we will make this work diffrent at some time. Now you are warned. That is fair buisness, But when you do not warn people about stuff like this how sould people then know it ?
Its just bad buisness, like i said i dont mind they chance stuff, and iam actully VIP so i have not paied for that pack, but i think it is ripping people of for something they then not will get.

[stainer]

Excatly.. And does it show on that list that those rings are bugged ? nope. How am i too know that a ring with NoML is not WAI ? sould i ask a GM each time i see an item i think is too good for the ML ?

Ok... I think you skipped over the part of my post that says they do not talk about bugs.

[djl]

This change reminds me of when they nerfed the Challenges because they screwed up and made them a good method of grinding epic tokens. That was the main selling point of the challenges (it's easy enough to get whatever items you want out of there by just using free daily tokens or buying a few tokens from the DDO store-- the only thing that came close to justifying the absurd price of the pack was the ability to grind epic tokens at a much faster rate than you could with quests), so there were quite a few gripes about how Turbine did a bait-and-switch.

[DeltaBravo]

Ok... I think you skipped over the part of my post that says they do not talk about bugs.

no i saw it allright And i know they do not (anymore about it, as they did actully use to have that list, removed it becourse people used it to exploit trough. Wich sould not have been posible, if the bugs on that list actully was getting fixed. but they did not. So people used em.)
Now there is two ways to look at this on then, is it Turbines fault that bugs are in the game? or is it the players faults who are useing the bugs to gain what they want to gain from it ? Well iam not getting paied to use a bug in the game from turbine. but iam actully paying turbine to fix bugs, and iam actully paying enough money for this along with alot of other players that if theese rings really where that bugged they sould have been fixed along time ago.. not after atleats a ½ year.

[Thrudh]

Now there is two ways to look at this on then, is it Turbines fault that bugs are in the game? or is it the players faults who are useing the bugs to gain what they want to gain from it ?

This isn't an exploit. No one is being punished for using bugged equipment.

It's a bug-fix. Plain and simple.

It's just standard random loot that's missing the standard ML. It was an obvious bug. These weren't "special" named items.

Why is this such a big deal to you? Are your characters seriously so gimp that you can't get through levels 1-11 without 0 ML stat items?

[redspecter23]

Just remember that sometimes something is a bug, but we don't even know about it. Remember the cove fiasco where they were about to bind all the items overnight because they apparently were always supposed to be bound to character. Players had no idea it was supposed to work this way. We assumed the bta status to be a feature and nobody from Turbine ever said it wasn't WAI until the surprise announcement. Well all heck broke loose and they decided not to go ahead with the overnight "bug" fix.

Now this isn't quite the same situation as it had already happened with the Lordsmarch chain and had been fixed, but at that point in time, Turbine had the choice to take the high road and improve their PR (and keep from looking like the code was messed up) and just call it a special feature for that quest line. It is important to note however that just because Turbine knows about a bug, doesn't mean all players know it is a bug and not just a feature. Some are easy to spot, others, not so much. Turbine could write up a line in the release notes that says:

(NEW) Melee characters are currently bugged and performing attacks faster than intended. All melee characters are now properly attacking at there proper rate of speed (approximately 75% slower than they are currently)

If Turbine called that a "bug" fix would it sit any better with players?

[Thrudh]

Some are easy to spot, others, not so much.

Yeah, well this one was easy to spot.

[redspecter23]

Yeah, well this one was easy to spot.

I agree, but only because it was already fixed with Lordsmarch. The fact that it occurred again in a later pack is just plain sloppy coding. That it took so long to fix the same bug the second time is laughable.

[DeltaBravo]

This isn't an exploit. No one is being punished for using bugged equipment.

It's a bug-fix. Plain and simple.

It's just standard random loot that's missing the standard ML. It was an obvious bug. These weren't "special" named items.

Why is this such a big deal to you? Are your characters seriously so gimp that you can't get through levels 1-11 without 0 ML stat items?

I agree its not an exploits but you are useing something that is bugged. And if you are useing a bug to your benefit.. well.. exploit ?

I do actully still (like said before not care on the rings at all.
I care about the way they are "fixing" a bug.. Now you say this is standard random loot missing a ML. i do not belive that too be true, if that was the case how come its only from that place.? Why did they not just use the scripts from the rings from other quests in that lvl range wich allready where made and did work okey ? Can you explain me that ? (something is fishy about it)

And where iam from i have learned if you do not say what you think about the subject then you are agreeing. And iam very much against ANYONE that sells something and then ½ a year later cahnge that thing to something else then what you bought. IF this pack had been f2p I would not have said anything, as no body would have used REAL money on it. But its not. people paied for something that they will not get.


This is just another NERF from turbine rather then a real bug fix. But this nerf actully cost people money. I will allways be against any nerf.

[Thrudh]

I And iam very much against ANYONE that sells something and then ½ a year later cahnge that thing to something else then what you bought. IF this pack had been f2p I would not have said anything, as no body would have used REAL money on it. But its not. people paied for something that they will not get.

Hey, I paid with REAL money for this game for years, and they changed all kinds of stuff... You're right! That's totally wrong... Wait...

[Missing_Minds]

Excatly.. And does it show on that list that those rings are bugged ? nope. How am i too know that a ring with NoML is not WAI ? sould i ask a GM each time i see an item i think is too good for the ML ?

That list is only those that they've received so many bug reports about they, they want you to shut up about it.

So your asine remark is... very showing.

[DeltaBravo]

Hey, I paid with REAL money for this game for years, and they changed all kinds of stuff... You're right! That's totally wrong... Wait...

I guess you just dont care what you use your money on then asmuch as i do.

Like i just said i just dont suck it up, if they are changeing something ill put my point of view on it, If you think you get a better game time out of em changeing a NO ML ring then thats good for you, and i would like to see what that benefits you from, at the same time if i think its bad, iam allowed to say so yes and state why ?
I much rather see Turbine use your and my money on fixing some of the real bugs in this game, Like fixing a ladder bug or a bug that lets you go trough a not yet opened door, stuck points in TOD / Epic DA, Chests that do not hold loot for random players, and a million more bugs, BEFORE fixing a ring with a bugged ML.

[DeltaBravo]

That list is only those that they've received so many bug reports about they, they want you to shut up about it.

So your asine remark is... very showing.

But clearly The NO ML rings must have been on a list at turbine somewhere else it would not have needed a fix.

[stainer]

But clearly The NO ML rings must have been on a list at turbine somewhere else it would not have needed a fix.

I am going ahead and prep you. Terror is probably on the same list. Expect it to be nerfed.

[DeltaBravo]

I am going ahead and prep you. Terror is probably on the same list. Expect it to be nerfed.

I bet all epic iems are on that list aswell for when the lvl cap will increase to lvl 25,, I bet you will see alot of epic Items go to that ML aswell.

My point here is we are getting ripped of by turbines bad designs of some items. And then lureing us to buy packs ith very powerfull items, and one month later changeing that item to bad item ..Its Turbine em self that created thesse Rings,(or all other OP items) But yet we are the ones that gets to pay for it. I just dont really like that.

[Tinco]

I am going ahead and prep you. Terror is probably on the same list. Expect it to be nerfed.

Terror just needs to be fixed because I'm betting my grandmother that whatever the description states, the Terror-PK does not work like a PK should work (mind-affecting, two saves).