Pajama AC tank?

[Varashad]

What gear, feats, enhancements and stats should I take to make a pajama AC tank? I plan on using this build.

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Human Male
(18 Fighter \ 2 Monk) 
Hit Points: 457
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 13
Will: 14

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 23                   26
Dexterity            14                 17                   18
Constitution         15                 18                   18
Intelligence         10                 12                   12
Wisdom               16                 19                   20
Charisma              8                 10                   10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               6                 27                   27
Bluff                -1                  0                    3
Concentration         6                  8                   12
Diplomacy             3                  4                    7
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                  0                    0
Heal                  3                  5                    5
Hide                  2                  4                    4
Intimidate           -1                  0                    5
Jump                  6                 28                   28
Listen                3                  5                    5
Move Silently         2                  4                    4
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                  1                    1
Search                0                  1                    1
Spot                  3                  5                    5
Swim                  3                  8                    8
Tumble                3                  5                    5
Use Magic Device      1                 11                   11

Level 1 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Human Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Berserker's Fury


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 9 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Defense


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Improved Sunder


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Dexterity I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV

[wax_on_wax_off]

In pajama's nothing competes with 6, 12 or 18 monk which gets 10, 15, 20% DR. 12 monk / 6 fighter / 2 x is the sweet spot I think for 15% DR and +10% HP.

[Dartwick]

You dont need to take 12 monk. When you take more than 2 monk you start losing DPS especially when you drop Kensai 2(at 12 monk and up you start seeming like a gimp monk more than anything). Although 6 monk has a serious attraction - shadow fade if you decide to use wraps(or Kamas).

1 Im curious as to why you are starting with more wisdom than dex.

2 You should use the the second monk level all for balance. Put your points in jump and UMD on fighter levels.

3 You probably want to take you second monk level earlier because evade is nice.

[psteen1]

why aren't you taking intimidate?

[Aeolwind]

why aren't you taking intimidate?

Because everyone needs an unbuffed 28 jump.

But seriously, he's right, AC will do you no good if you can't make stuff swing at you.

You could squeeze in a few extra HP as well if you took Human Adaptability in con

[Such755]

If you go Defender, what will you lose?
Won't you gain much more HP and AC, and on top of that, you get constent +6 to your strength? (yes, power surge is +8, but it has a timer, and limited uses). Not to mention the 20% hp....
I plan on going 18\2 fighter monk, PJ tanking, STD, after I finish my paladin life. It looks much better for tanking than Kensai.

Please enlighten me

[psteen1]

It does seem like you are ignoring or forgetting threat generation.... forget jump and take intimidate. Also, I agree to go with stalwart defender. If you want an AC tank, then you should take the prestige class that GIVES YOU FREE AC. Stalwart defender also gives you bonuses to threat generation. You won't be able to hold aggro against bosses unless you work on threat generation. As it stands, a barbarian wielding an Epic Antique Axe is going to rip aggro away from you in short order.

[Such755]

double post

[psteen1]

actually, there is nothing about this build that strikes me as an AC tank character except for the level distribution. The build itself is totally specc'ed as a fighter dps build. Perhaps you are just confused about these commonly used MMO definitions and a high dps build is indeed what you want.

An AC tank is dedicated to threat generation in combo with AC and healing amplification. You aren't doing any of that except being able to add your dex and wisdom to your AC score. You might also want to take some shield mastery feats. Not required or anything, but useful for the damage reduction.

[Varashad]

I've neglected intimidate intentionally. The number of items required to get a functioning, no fail intimidate, while also maintaining decent AC and damage, is simply staggering to me. Also, I find it's not nearly as important as it's made out to be so long as everyone else in the party isn't keeping their incite gear on, or not giving the tank time to build agro. Intimidate is probably quite useful in eLoB and MA and raids that I don't run, but for me, and the content I do, it's not a necessity.

As for the posts saying this a dps build, upon closer examination, I was forced to smack myself in the face. I would prefer not to give up Power Attack for Combat Expertise, since the **** feat costs so much intelligence. Even at 11 base that's 3 points I have to take away from wisdom or strength. The net gain from dropping wisdom is +3 AC, or -2 damage from dropping strength, which makes me cringe when I consider the -7 from lack of PA as well. Nonetheless, my goal for this toon was to make a hate tank which has decent healing amplification, enough AC to repel a few hits, and trash mobs, as opposed to being some untouchable god that lets the healers pike.

With this said, a 28 unbuffed jump is rubbish. No idea what I was thinking when I maxed ranks in that. I'll put ranks in intimidate just for giggles, although I doubt it'll end up usable.

Regarding Stalwart Defender versus Kensai; this was a debate I had with myself while making this build. The +3 action boosts, and considerable damage bonuses gained from Kensai seemed like an effective way to add additional hate. As far as I know, the SD only gains his +25/50/75% threat boost while wielding a shield, which eliminates the point of the monk levels. The +60 hp from the constitution boost, and the very lovely +20% increase slipped my mind again, but would also be quite powerful for a "tank" type toon.

I suppose I'll stop beating around the bush; my hope was for a toon who had enough AC to resist being slaughtered on every hit, decent enough dps to do slaughtering, self healing through UMD, good enough saves to dodge epic meteor swarms and delayed blast fireballs, sufficient hps to eat one of Horoth's punches(or six) and over all to just be extremely survivable. My attempt to create a build like this is what you see, though it seems to have failed judging by the reactions I'm getting.

Anyways, now that my true hopes are available for the public to see, any advice, or even better linking me to a build that does this, would be lovely.

[psteen1]

Didn't mean to be overly critical. If you want to do AC though, you should plan ahead your gear and other bonuses to see what you can get. If you aren't hitting 70's at least, I would suggest just giving up on it, though. And since you aren't going with combat expertise, or Stalwart stances, and all of your feats are offensive oriented, I just don't think you really want to make the sacrifices that a decent AC makes you make. That is fine though, your build will still be fun, but it will just be a standard kensei khopesh build with some fun monk splashes.

[Varashad]

Didn't mean to be overly critical. If you want to do AC though, you should plan ahead your gear and other bonuses to see what you can get. If you aren't hitting 70's at least, I would suggest just giving up on it, though. And since you aren't going with combat expertise, or Stalwart stances, and all of your feats are offensive oriented, I just don't think you really want to make the sacrifices that a decent AC makes you make. That is fine though, your build will still be fun, but it will just be a standard kensei khopesh build with some fun monk splashes.

It was constructive criticism which only serves to make me smile as I realize my ignorance. I'll run the numbers for gear and Stalwart. If I can hit 72+ without combat expertise I'll run the offensive numbers, and if they equal anything useful, I'll post the new build. If not, I'll scrap it entirely and maybe play the Helves Angel or something else fun looking.

[Dartwick]

A high damage(not highest just high) build with a enough AC not shrivel when epic trash and non-epic bosses attack you seems like a worthy goal to me.

[wax_on_wax_off]

A high damage(not highest just high) build with a enough AC not shrivel when epic trash and non-epic bosses attack you seems like a worthy goal to me.

You need 90+ AC for it to be relevant in epic content. It's much easier to just take the 15% DR available from Earth Stance III and enjoy the higher base damage dice, touch of death, shadow fade and improved evasion. AC is still good, but it isn't particularly relevant in epic content.

[Varashad]

You need 90+ AC for it to be relevant in epic content. It's much easier to just take the 15% DR available from Earth Stance III and enjoy the higher base damage dice, touch of death, shadow fade and improved evasion. AC is still good, but it isn't particularly relevant in epic content.

Idc about epic, I just want general AC in raids and quests which I can turn off for boss fighting.