Please make all tomes Bta

[Combat_Wombat]

MajMal has already said they will not be retro-modifying the tomes

thats a lie and not what he said at all

That is exactly what I was thinking.
I'm also not a big fan of retrofitting any items. It is not as easy as you may think.

While that is hardly positive he certainly didn't give any absolute no

[Combat_Wombat]

With all changes there is someone who's not going to gain as much benefit.

I've you've been saving tomes for a future TR, remember you assumed you were going to lose them all anyway...

He assumed they would be useful and now they won't be nothing more nothing less

[alexthegood]

BTC tomes should become BTA at a minimum.

Even with that I'd still end up having a bunch of useless tomes unless I decide to crunch them for crafting or make yet another character.

Keeping tomes on a TR is going to put a LOT of tomes back into the world.

my point

[Varashad]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with this. Doomsayers will say that this will end +4 tomes going up for roll...but honestly, I've never seen a +4 tome up for roll...

I always put up "useless" tomes for roll on my accounts unless they're unbound or BtA. I've gladly passed a +4 intelligence tome to the party wizard, simply because 5 extra skill points is much less useful to me on a melee toon than +1 DC on a wizard is.

[Combat_Wombat]

This^



And besides, this change will make BTC tomes rolled for more often. This is a very good change *as is*!

All this will do is gut many raids of players interested in running them. My cleric already has a full head of +3 tomes and all the item loot from hox, vod, reavers so as long as tomes remain btc that is one less healer interested in running those ever again. Tome are what kept many people running these otherwise completely played out raids.

[NaturalHazard]

Pretty sure if you bound all peoples tomes to account the uprising and nerdrage would be incredible.

might be fun to watch...

yes eps the people who have unbound +3 or gasp +4 tomes.

[djl]

BTC tomes should become BTA at a minimum.

Even with that I'd still end up having a bunch of useless tomes unless I decide to crunch them for crafting or make yet another character.

Keeping tomes on a TR is going to put a LOT of tomes back into the world.

Which is the opposing argument to BTA raid-loot tomes. With them being BtC and preserved through TR's, it will greatly cut down on the hoarding of +3s and +4s that currently happens. A few months down the road, a large amount of players will have their +3s and +4s used already so there will be far more +3s and +4s put up for roll. But if Tomes are made BtA, the hoarding will continue because people will just end up looting +3s and +4s to use on their other toons, and it might also cause the activity in raids to drop drastically because all the people with bunches of +3s on the wrong toons would suddenly have no reason to run those raids anymore. That said, tomes obtained from sources other than Warded Chests should become BtA instead of BtC.

To simplify, bound tomes that are pulled out of raids should remain BtC to encourage rolling them off. BtC tomes that are obtained as end rewards or 20th rewards should be BtA, as they would be infinitely more useful in that case. Tomes from the 1750 favor reward should also be BtA.

[Varashad]

Which is the opposing argument to BTA raid-loot tomes. With them being BtC and preserved through TR's, it will greatly cut down on the hoarding of +3s and +4s that currently happens. A few months down the road, a large amount of players will have their +4s used already so there will be far more +3s and +4s put up for roll. However, tomes obtained from sources other than Warded Chests should become BtA instead of BtC.

To simplify, bound tomes that are pulled out of raids should remain BtC to encourage rolling them off. BtC tomes that are obtained as end rewards or 20th rewards should be BtA, as they would be infinitely more useful in that case. Tomes from the 1750 favor reward should also be BtA.

This.

[Combat_Wombat]

Which is the opposing argument to BTA raid-loot tomes. With them being BtC and preserved through TR's, it will greatly cut down on the hoarding of +3s and +4s that currently happens. A few months down the road, a large amount of players will have their +3s and +4s used already so there will be far more +3s and +4s put up for roll. But if Tomes are made BtA, the hoarding will continue because people will just end up looting +3s and +4s to use on their other toons. That said, tomes obtained from sources other than Warded Chests should become BtA instead of BtC.

To simplify, bound tomes that are pulled out of raids should remain BtC to encourage rolling them off. BtC tomes that are obtained as end rewards or 20th rewards should be BtA, as they would be infinitely more useful in that case. Tomes from the 1750 favor reward should also be BtA.

completely ignores the point I made 2 posts earlier

[Varashad]

completely ignores the point I made 2 posts earlier

There will always be healers who need to get the loot from VoD or HoX though. There will always be those who do it for fun. Your point is valid indeed, but it is not such a devastating future that the raid will never be run.

[Combat_Wombat]

There will always be healers who need to get the loot from VoD or HoX though. There will always be those who do it for fun. Your point is valid indeed, but it is not such a devastating future that the raid will never be run.

And those people that still need loot from those raids will need the tomes too then since they are harder to get. So no one gets to roll on any of those tomes in that situation either but you've destroyed many peoples interest in running the raids in the process.

[WruntJunior]

And those people that still need loot from those raids will need the tomes too then since they are harder to get. So no one gets to roll on any of those tomes in that situation either but you've destroyed many peoples interest in running the raids in the process.

If tomes are BTA, people are more likely to bring their best toons if all they need are tomes...or all their toons, if it's not a difficult raid.

That said, I think we should see +2 tomes never be bound, and the eventual moving away from bound +3 tomes...+4 tomes should stay bound, as should +5 tomes when they're released.

[DogMania]

Agreed but I don't think that is what the OP means. lol My guess is that he is referring to tomes that are BTC. If a tome is BTC and then we are able to retain our tomes on a TR, that pretty much makes those tomes nothing but vendor fodder. Are tomes used in crafting? Sorry, I haven't gotten into that yet.

Well I just got 1750 favour and a BTC tome but as im a tr *** good is it so its now 9 Eberons for crafting

[DogMania]

And for all those that say why bother running the raid if u dont need a tome is GUILD RENOWN

[alexthegood]

Which is the opposing argument to BTA raid-loot tomes. With them being BtC and preserved through TR's, it will greatly cut down on the hoarding of +3s and +4s that currently happens. A few months down the road, a large amount of players will have their +3s and +4s used already so there will be far more +3s and +4s put up for roll. But if Tomes are made BtA, the hoarding will continue because people will just end up looting +3s and +4s to use on their other toons, and it might also cause the activity in raids to drop drastically because all the people with bunches of +3s on the wrong toons would suddenly have no reason to run those raids anymore. That said, tomes obtained from sources other than Warded Chests should become BtA instead of BtC.

To simplify, bound tomes that are pulled out of raids should remain BtC to encourage rolling them off. BtC tomes that are obtained as end rewards or 20th rewards should be BtA, as they would be infinitely more useful in that case. Tomes from the 1750 favor reward should also be BtA.

exactly !

[Ungood]

So does that mean that only tomes consumed after U13 will be kept upon TR?

I was under the impression that any tome would be retained, as long as you TRed after U13 went live, but, to be fair they did not explicitly spell that out.

I got the general consensus that all tomes would be behaving the same way in the end of things. However, with anything like this, I am never one to jump the gun before the show started you know. IE: I am keeping all my tomes in the bank till after U13 and not TRing till then.

[Ungood]

thats a lie and not what he said at all

Here is the whole topic: Link Provided

Feel free to read his response in context talking to another poster.

hmm, all those tomes going to waste, maybe Turbine should
just leave them as they are .....

That is exactly what I was thinking.
I'm also not a big fan of retrofitting any items. It is not as easy as you may think.

While that is hardly positive he certainly didn't give any absolute no

He may as well said "Not gonna happen"

But feel free to cling to any hope you want, as it stands, it is clear that making changes is not easy, nor is it welcome by the Devs.

This topic has been discussed before, and for the life of me, I can't understand why it is even being brought up. As opposed to be thankful for this change, people are making a fuss about it? Really? Really?

[Phemt81]

tome I have put up for roll:
2 x +4 INT
1 x +4 DEX
1 x +3 WIS

Can i join your parties?

[Zenthalas]

it would be helpful,kinda of sucks to have 4, 3+ tomes that are useless rotting in bank,on my 4 guys. _edit_ just 20th reward raid tomes.

Nope, would rather them spend time fixing stuff. Those +3 tomes are gonna make alot of purified shards though.

[Krell]

it would be helpful,kinda of sucks to have 4, 3+ tomes that are useless rotting in bank,on my 4 guys. _edit_ just 20th reward raid tomes.

Makes sense. Store tomes are BTA, might as well make loot tomes the same. I bought a couple tomes for later, and it has been nice to move them around as needed.