What does moar DPS, loot gen or eSoS?

[wax_on_wax_off]

So looking on the AH at a +1 banishing shortsword of greater lawful outsider bane and I got to wondering who the ideal lootgen pull would compare with an eSoS.

Anyone care to do the math?

+4 RR Flametouched Iron Large Guild Augment Slotted Banishing Falchion/Greataxe/Greatsword of Greater Evil/Lawful Outsider Bane ML:20 (I think)

vs

eSoS (good slotted)

Or,

Dual +4 RR Flametouched Iron Large Guild Augment Slotted Banishing Khopeshes of Greater Evil/Lawful Outsider Bane ML:20 (I think)

vs

eSoS (good slotted)


The LGA's can be used for accuracy (to have +2 AB over the eSoS) or for elemental damage (+1d4 acid or lightning damage depending on foe).

Anyone like playing with DPS calcs? Eventually the eSoS takes over but just wondering at what modifier.

[Kinerd]

I am guessing from your slotting that we are working on trash, so I'll take the falchion.

Loot Gen Miracle:
4 + 2d4 + 4 = 13 base
4d6 banishing
3d6 greater bane
100 damage or death on 20
15-20 x2
main blows:
(13 + 6 * 2) * (13 + D) + 19 * 24.5 + 1 * 100
= 890.5 + 25 * D
glancing blows (with GTHF):
.75 * 19 * (.5 * (13 + D) + .09 * 24.5)
= 124.0 + 7.125 * D
total:
= 1014.5 + 32.125 * D

eSoS:
10 + 5d6 = 27.5 base
15-20 x3
main blows:
(13 + 6 * 3) * (27.5 + D)
= 852.5 + 31 * D
glancing blows:
.75 * 19 * .5 * (27.5 + D)
= 195.9 + 7.125 * D
total:
= 1048.4 + 38.125 * D

The eSoS wins regardless of damage bonus.

.

Khopeshes:
1d8 instead of 2d4 base damage, and
17-20 x3 instead of 15-20 x2
main hand:
(15 + 4 * 3) * (12.5 + D') + 19 * 24.5 + 1 * 100
= 903 + 27 * D'
off hand:
.8 * ((15 + 4 * 3) * (12.5 + D'') + 19 * 24.5 + 1 * 100)
= 722.4 + 21.6 * D''
total:
= 1625.4 + 27 * D' + 21.6 * D''

If we declare values of 5 for Power Attack (10 for THF), 20 for Strength bonus (30 for THF, 10 for offhand), then the bulk of the rest of damage bonus will be equal, and we have...

THF:
1048.4 + 38.125 * (10 + 30) + 38.125 * D
= 2573.4 + 38.125 * D
TWF:
1625.4 + 27 * (5 + 20) + 21.6 * (5 + 10) + 38.6 * D
= 2624.4 + 38.6 * D

TWF wins regardless of damage bonus.

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On-hit effects such as sneak attack and Ravager's Cut very strongly favor TWF, seeker effects strongly favor TWF.

[wax_on_wax_off]

You heard it here first folks, loot gen > eSoS.

[Ravoc-DDO]

Now show us a screenshot of a +4 RR Flametouched Iron Large Guild Augment Slotted Banishing Falchion/Greataxe/Greatsword/Khopesh of Greater Evil/Lawful Outsider Bane

[Angelus_dead]

On-hit effects such as sneak attack and Ravager's Cut very strongly favor TWF

Do you know what the proc rate for Ravager's Cut on glancing blows is?

[AMDarkwolf]

I think that loot gen imaginary sword would be ML 30 or so. (At the very least it would be ML20 even IF racial)

And ravengers cut don't give a flop if its twf or thf since it has a VERY high(like 30% proc) chance to land, and only 'reapplies' itself(May stack up to 3 times, but its a 'dot' not a 'per hit' effect)

[pasterqb]

What raids will this weapon be used in? Cause right off the bat I can tell you Banis does nothing in Shroud and Amtath. So VoD and eDQ is what I'm seeing.

And speaking of comparing I wouldnlove to see the old abbot longswords compared to +5 Hb of GCOB khopeshs. I'd say 50% fort is fair.

[brzytki]

Now show us a screenshot of a +4 RR Flametouched Iron Large Guild Augment Slotted Banishing Falchion/Greataxe/Greatsword/Khopesh of Greater Evil/Lawful Outsider Bane

Hehe, that would be an awesome weapon. +4 from enchantment, +5 banishing, +3 GEOB so +12 from add-ons with large slot and metal type with, i think, around 28-30 UMD to equip it. I guess you could theoretically pull it from a chest but practically it's next to impossbile.

And ravengers cut don't give a flop if its twf or thf since it has a VERY high(like 30% proc) chance to land, and only 'reapplies' itself(May stack up to 3 times, but its a 'dot' not a 'per hit' effect)

Ravager's Cut's DoT effect does 2d6 slash dmg every two seconds and lasts 10 seconds. Timer resets everytime it is applied and it proc is 100%, which means it is basically applied on every hit, so doesn't matter if TWF or THF. However, the not listed effect which adds 2d6 dmg on every hit obviously favors TWF.

[voodoogroves]

I pulled a Holy Burst / Greater Evil Outsider Bane the other night.

No metal type though, and no guild slot. And it's a shortsword.

I can imagine pulling the perfect one with a loot gem on an epic chest or something ... but then again, I can imagine quite a bit.

[Meat-Head]

DOn't forget to icyburst the lootgen.

[sweez]

DOn't forget to icyburst the lootgen.

Yep wouldn't want to miss out on that 0 per swing on devils

[DefunctEquation]

What raids will this weapon be used in? Cause right off the bat I can tell you Banis does nothing in Shroud and Amtath. So VoD and eDQ is what I'm seeing.

And speaking of comparing I wouldnlove to see the old abbot longswords compared to +5 Hb of GCOB khopeshs. I'd say 50% fort is fair.

Banishing still does extra dmg vs. Harry in Shroud, even if it doesn't work on trash there.

[TheDearLeader]

Yep wouldn't want to miss out on that 0 per swing on devils

Hell Hounds are Devils.

Hell Hounds take purple numbers from Cold.

One day, there will be an Epic Hell Hound Purple-Named Boss, and I will laugh at all those who ignored the Icy Bursting. HahahahahahAaaaaa~!

[sweez]

Epic Sorrowdusk!

[wax_on_wax_off]

Epic Sorrowdusk!

I'd approve only if the explorer area could be entered on epic. We need more epic explorer areas!

[sweez]

Technically, we don't need more epic explorer areas, we need epic explorer areas

I just don't see how it would work though, would explorer area chests drop tokens/seals/shards? If not would it just be a big scrollfarm zone?

[wax_on_wax_off]

Technically, we don't need more epic explorer areas, we need epic explorer areas

I just don't see how it would work though, would explorer area chests drop tokens/seals/shards? If not would it just be a big scrollfarm zone?

I don't care how it works just that it exists, it would be a different style that would be fun and different. Imagine epic sands so that you can go after particular seals rather than hoping that they drop in DQ1/2?

[sweez]

Epic Stinkpelt

[Arlathen]

Epic Stinkpelt

You roll to save vs. Trip. You roll a 20 (+52). You fail. You are helpless......

[Silvias]

I crafted +5 holyburst of Greater Evil Outsider Bane Silver Khopeshes (one has large slot, other medium slot), I use on a 18 pali (KoTC)/ 2 monk, and I feel as though I out dps Kensais and Barbs and Bard spalsh builds in EDA/SHROUD/TOD/EDQ/AMRATH etc.... I made Cold Iron ones the same Way and Byshek ones each with respective greater banes the byshek ones dont have slots and I dont KoTC bonus vs abbs either =/