Another Update without Ranger Luv?

[NaturalHazard]

over who? over barbs and fighters swinging epic antiques, linking eclaws in party chat etc. if i proc my stuff often, it's not hard to do the same if not more. i have a very well geared barb and prefer my ranger over it in most runs cause it does about the same and is much more fun to play

Ive stolen aggro off a water savant dot tanking the ECAD while he was in fire form.............. but wait he was knocked down, and was experiancing lag issues. But I took aggro off of him so I must haz moar dps.

[grodon9999]

over who? over barbs and fighters swinging epic antiques, linking eclaws in party chat etc. if i proc my stuff often, it's not hard to do the same if not more. i have a very well geared barb and prefer my ranger over it in most runs cause it does about the same and is much more fun to play

An EGA is a good weapon, but it's not a great weapon.

One of the big flaws in this game is that THFing is drastically behind if the wielder is not holding an ESoS. it's bad to balance an enitre style on one extremely hard to get weapon but it is the reality that is DDO.

Against an ESoS barb or equal geared Khopesh Kensai it won't happen.

[konexion]

Ive stolen aggro off a water savant dot tanking the ECAD while he was in fire form.............. but wait he was knocked down, and was experiancing lag issues. But I took aggro off of him so I must haz moar dps.

why thank you for that moment of uberness. we all bow before you and burn incense in your belly button and place fish heads between your toes

[NaturalHazard]

why thank you for that moment of uberness. we all bow before you and burn incense in your belly button and place fish heads between your toes

You roll a 1 on your sarcasm check.

[NaturalHazard]

An EGA is a good weapon, but it's not a great weapon.

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When I see a barb/fighter tank using a EGA I do give them a bit of a head start, I take it slow on the manyshots, don't do it too early and of course if someone else is tanking I take off all my threat gear. Don't have eclaw so don't have threat gear stuff that I need to have on to do more dps when im not tanking.

[konexion]

You roll a 1 on your sarcasm check.

touche

[grodon9999]

When I see a barb/fighter tank using a EGA I do give them a bit of a head start, I take it slow on the manyshots, don't do it too early and of course if someone else is tanking I take off all my threat gear. Don't have eclaw so don't have threat gear stuff that I need to have on to do more dps when im not tanking.

Claw set off, tharnes set on, spam bluff which gives you a threat reduction even if you fail the roll. You gain more DPS getting your sneak attack anyway.

if you still pull aggro you have the right to make fun of them

[Qhualor]

on my tempest ranger:

tank died in echrono when chrono monster was down 1/4. he turned on me and i tanked him until my deathward was debuffed or ran out (not sure which) and i died when he was at 1/4 health. group was solid with every class in the game. party leader did a gear check before letting people into the group.

tank died in tod while tanking horo. horo came after me. all i heard was, "stay still and block until the tank gets rebuffed". i did as told, but funny he didnt go after the suluu tank or any of the other barbs or fighters.

in snitch, i get on the back of crateos (however its spelled). going fine and crateos is beating the snot out of the fighter tank using a construct bane sword. health is at half, crateos turns to me and beats on me. tank cant get it back. i lose the aggro when the caster lays in the dots when crateos is less than 1/4.

a lot of the epic quests are like that. bigtop, partycrashers, von 1, last stand. it doesnt happen EVERY time, but it happens common enough.

my ranger didnt become an "aggro stealer" until he got some epic weapons and items. its not intentional, i dont want the aggro. i built him to be a support toon for the heavy hitters and casters, but still put up good dps numbers. the above were just some examples and i have plenty more. he does wear tharnes goggles and bracers (20% threat reduction), but i think i need to add more since i see this happening too often for my liking on this toon.

and no, thats without manyshot.

[NaturalHazard]

on my tempest ranger:

tank died in echrono when chrono monster was down 1/4. he turned on me and i tanked him until my deathward was debuffed or ran out (not sure which) and i died when he was at 1/4 health. group was solid with every class in the game. party leader did a gear check before letting people into the group.

and no, thats without manyshot.

He debuffs you, you have to keep an eye on your death ward and ask for a new one if you cant provide it for yourself.

Ive tanked him a fair bit on my ranger.

[NaturalHazard]

touche

What I intended to say is pulling aggro isnt always an indicator of dps, read on what I said and how it happened. Sometimes there is other factors is all.

[Aashrym]

Claw set off, tharnes set on, spam bluff which gives you a threat reduction even if you fail the roll. You gain more DPS getting your sneak attack anyway.

if you still pull aggro you have the right to make fun of them

How much fun do I get to make of them pulling the aggro off a fighter on a caster based spellsinger?

[BOgre]

Well, one thing Rangers will like is this:



Epic Bow of the Silver Flame (sorry it's chopped, you know, tall tooltip popups on a short res screen)

Dropped in tonight's Lamma event.

[Yan_PL]

Epic Bow of the Silver Flame

as far as I've been told, this bow isn't really best option VS enemies other than abbot, and even vs abbot it struggles against other bows, such as tripos GS.

[BOgre]

as far as I've been told, this bow isn't really best option VS enemies other than abbot, and even vs abbot it struggles against other bows, such as tripos GS.

Well, I suppose i could be completely wrong, but this bow is a NEW U13 epic item, never seen before this update, so i don't see how anything you've just claimed could have been tested. Again, I could be completely wrong...

Besides, what I'm stoked about is the addition of the 'Blunted Ammunition' mechanic to the game. I'm hoping we'll see it pop up in other places now that it's here.

[Ausdoerrt]

Well, I suppose i could be completely wrong, but this bow is a NEW U13 epic item, never seen before this update, so i don't see how anything you've just claimed could have been tested. Again, I could be completely wrong...

You don't need to test something you can calculate. There was a thread on that. There's exactly 3 enemies in the game where the bow is actually useful: Abbot, hard/elite Sorjek in SoS, and eWizKing. Alles.

It's a bow that'll dust in the bank/inventory 90% of the time unless you religiously farm WizKing for some reason.

[WolfHealr]

as far as I've been told, this bow isn't really best option VS enemies other than abbot, and even vs abbot it struggles against other bows, such as tripos GS.

Not sure who's telling you, but I'd wager they're wrong. Ignoring the fort reduction proc, the epic version should be about even with a triple pos bow somewhere in the mid teens - meaning it pulls ahead against the Abbot at any difficulty, Sorjek in SoS, eWizKing, etc.

Add in the fort reduction proc, and it's a party-wide increase in DPS. Heck, I'll probably wind up crafting the epic repeater on my wiz just for that to get a proc between casting BDB and spreading firewalls around since they gave the Abbot evasion :/

[BOgre]

Not sure who's telling you, but I'd wager they're wrong. Ignoring the fort reduction proc, the epic version should be about even with a triple pos bow somewhere in the mid teens - meaning it pulls ahead against the Abbot at any difficulty, Sorjek in SoS, eWizKing, etc.

Add in the fort reduction proc, and it's a party-wide increase in DPS. Heck, I'll probably wind up crafting the epic repeater on my wiz just for that to get a proc between casting BDB and spreading firewalls around since they gave the Abbot evasion :/

^This. And since Rangers seem to be the ones taking up the Fort reduction role, to free melees to do their job, eBSF seems to me to a really nice fit. And again, Blunted Ammo... that's the really nice part. I'da liked to see Greater undeadbane for the epic version, like most have said in the lamma U13 thread, but it's still nice.

What's more, you can't compare this with GS or any other item AT ALL, since it (and it's other U13 counterparts) are the first F2P epic items ever... right?

[Ausdoerrt]

What's more, you can't compare this with GS or any other item AT ALL, since it (and it's other U13 counterparts) are the first F2P epic items ever... right?

I'd prefer if they made it P2Pand ungimped the bow...

[quickgrif]

Would full offhand damage and a melee haste clickie narrow the gap in some areas?

I know the full off hand damage was mentioned by the devs and many are thinking the melee haste clickie in place of the increased attack speed of the Dervish.

[NaturalHazard]

^This. And since Rangers seem to be the ones taking up the Fort reduction role, to free melees to do their job, eBSF seems to me to a really nice fit. And again, Blunted Ammo... that's the really nice part. I'da liked to see Greater undeadbane for the epic version, like most have said in the lamma U13 thread, but it's still nice.

What's more, you can't compare this with GS or any other item AT ALL, since it (and it's other U13 counterparts) are the first F2P epic items ever... right?

So even when manyshot is off timmer my tempest is going to be expected to plink away at raid bosses with this bow?