Bardic lore

[junta74]

How will "Arcane Lore", "Religious Lore", or "Wilderness Lore" will be implemented in game play. It seems that a bard should get all three instead of just Arcane.

[Oakianus]

I'll assume it will come into play like, for example, the spot check in DQ1. If you have the correct lore, the DM will tell you something that he wouldn't tell you otherwise, like "You notice a stylized carving of an Octopus above this door."

Of course, you know what they say about assumption.

ETA: It would be very neat if there was some way to work in Bardic Lore, like maybe it being one of the other lores, but at a penalty. Or if it was just another category, straight up, but with slightly different information (like True Seeing vs. Paladin vs. Spot to see through Tiefling disguises in Partycrashers, for instance.)

[Hordo]

I'll assume it will come into play like, for example, the spot check in DQ1. If you have the correct lore, the DM will tell you something that he wouldn't tell you otherwise, like "You notice a stylized carving of an Octopus above this door."

Of course, you know what they say about assumption.

ETA: It would be very neat if there was some way to work in Bardic Lore, like maybe it being one of the other lores, but at a penalty. Or if it was just another category, straight up, but with slightly different information (like True Seeing vs. Paladin vs. Spot to see through Tiefling disguises in Partycrashers, for instance.)

PL: Devils on Elite...Shroud Flag!
Bard: Open on Elite.
*DM VOICE TO BARD: For some reason you feel the need to put on Assless Chaps and jump around while singing Inspire Courage in honor of the Bardic Legend of Van Halen*

[Valindria]

I said it what seems like years ago the easiest thing would be make any INT/WIS rune checks us CHA for bards. So VoN 5 for example a bard could use CHA to activate the WIS rune.

[junta74]

I said it what seems like years ago the easiest thing would be make any INT/WIS rune checks us CHA for bards. So VoN 5 for example a bard could use CHA to activate the WIS rune.

I like it! Their incomplete knowledge might lead to a penalty, but still a highly useful feat.

[TheDearLeader]

From what people have said, it's showing up as just "Arcane Lore" at the moment.

I agree that Bards should get thrown a bone here, and at least get a Bardic Lore that encompasses Arcane & Divine Lore.

[Aeolwind]

From what people have said, it's showing up as just "Arcane Lore" at the moment.

I agree that Bards should get thrown a bone here, and at least get a Bardic Lore that encompasses Arcane & Divine Lore.

Would be nicer if it was just a random roll against -any- knowledge to see if they can 'bard' their way through it.

[InsanityIsYourFriend]

I agree as they are not purely arcane or divine, whereas every other class is, clerics/fvs/pally/ranger all are purely divine
wiz/sorc/art are all purely arcane
bard pure and simple is everything

[Aashrym]

I agree as they are not purely arcane or divine, whereas every other class is, clerics/fvs/pally/ranger all are purely divine
wiz/sorc/art are all purely arcane
bard pure and simple is everything

Just to nitpick a little, bards are purely arcane. They have arcane versions of divine spells.

On that note, however, bards are one of 2 classes with all knowledge skills in PnP and additionally have bardic knowledge. I don't see a reason not to give them all 3 and still add bardic lore unless there is a technical limitation preventing multiple lore abilities.

[Vesuvium]

The new 'Lore' feats will basically be a value on a character that our quest scripts can reference. You might have more dialog options, the DM might say something different, etc. The dungeon designers probably have more than just that in mind, but for now it exists to give them more tools in their toolbox.

The Bardic Knowledge suggestion is interesting and worth considering.

[Thrudh]

The new 'Lore' feats will basically be a value on a character that our quest scripts can reference. You might have more dialog options, the DM might say something different, etc. The dungeon designers probably have more than just that in mind, but for now it exists to give them more tools in their toolbox.

The Bardic Knowledge suggestion is interesting and worth considering.

By the way, I LOVE the flavor those kind of checks provide... I love extra spot messages that no one else in the party can see, etc.

I had one guy once who had a high skill in Listening...

Some of the earlier dungeons actually checked for that, and I'd get unique messages standing outside a door giving me hints of what was inside...

[oradafu]

By the way, I LOVE the flavor those kind of checks provide... I love extra spot messages that no one else in the party can see, etc.

I had one guy once who had a high skill in Listening...

Some of the earlier dungeons actually checked for that, and I'd get unique messages standing outside a door giving me hints of what was inside...

I agree with you completely. I love that the Listen and Spot skills gave extra information in several of the low-level quests. I'd love to see more of that in quests, especially Listen since it has little practical use (it's not like we can use Listen when we are blind to know where mobs are).

That's one of the things I liked about House C: you got different dialoug from NPCs if you were WF. More things like that would be nice.

I'd like to see Dragonmarks get more hints/dialog from NPCs in quests. I've even suggested before that Dragonmarks should give a +1 loot bonus to quests of the corresponding house (in example Elves with Phiarlan Dragonmarks get +1 loot from chests and end rewards of House P quests).

[BruceTheHoon]

The new 'Lore' feats will basically be a value on a character that our quest scripts can reference. You might have more dialog options, the DM might say something different, etc. The dungeon designers probably have more than just that in mind, but for now it exists to give them more tools in their toolbox.

The Bardic Knowledge suggestion is interesting and worth considering.

This, for me, is one of the best news I've heard since I started following and playing DDO. Dare I say it, that it beats druids? :0

[TheDearLeader]

The new 'Lore' feats will basically be a value on a character that our quest scripts can reference. You might have more dialog options, the DM might say something different, etc. The dungeon designers probably have more than just that in mind, but for now it exists to give them more tools in their toolbox.

The Bardic Knowledge suggestion is interesting and worth considering.

Make it so.

[Asmodeus451]

Make it so.

is it weird that i read this in Patrick Stewart's voice?


edit: oh ya, and bardic knowledge/lore. good idea

[Vesuvium]

is it weird that i read this in Patrick Stewart's voice?

What, you don't read everything in Patrick Stewart's voice?

You unfortunate soul.

[Alexandryte]

What, you don't read everything in Patrick Stewart's voice?

You poor man.

...

And now my internal monologue has Patrick Stewart's voice.....

VESUVIUUUUUUUUUUUUUM!

There we go, sounds like Shatner now.

[Arctigis]

What, you don't read everything in Patrick Stewart's voice?

This feels right but it tastes like a dirty penny.

[TheDearLeader]

is it weird that i read this in Patrick Stewart's voice?


edit: oh ya, and bardic knowledge/lore. good idea

Nope, 100% intentional. Well done sir.

[red_cardinal]

The new 'Lore' feats will basically be a value on a character that our quest scripts can reference. You might have more dialog options, the DM might say something different, etc. The dungeon designers probably have more than just that in mind, but for now it exists to give them more tools in their toolbox.

The Bardic Knowledge suggestion is interesting and worth considering.

As far as I think your quest scripts can reference character class and determine MAX(levels) -> primary class to say in a dialog: "Hail, gimpy wizard (12/7/1 build)!" Why introduce a bunch of new feats since you can determine primary class and therefore you can determine amount of 'arcane lore' internally. :\