New 3rd end rewards question

[Havok.cry]

Will items like eardweller and bloodrage symbiont, that have non-standard ways of being acquired, be effected by these changes?

I assume the answer is no, but would like to be sure if at all possible.

[Antheal]

Would this include things like the Muckbane, or Ring of Troll's Regeneration, etc.?

[Vesuvium]

Only named items that already appeared on the normal End Reward lists are affected. Items that only appeared in chests within the dungeon, or from other non-standard ways, are not. So Muckbane, for instance, still requires you to get lucky with the chest.

There are a couple of exceptions, such as the Ioun Stones in the Dreaming Dark, but those are called out specifically in the release notes.

[MrkGrismer]

There are a couple of exceptions, such as the Ioun Stones in the Dreaming Dark, but those are called out specifically in the release notes.

I did not see this exception called out in the current release notes...

[somenewnoob]

I did not see this exception called out in the current release notes...

The Dreaming Dark

Completing the final quest in this series three times (and every third time thereafter) will offer players a single random Ioun Stone, crafting items, and random loot from its end reward list.


http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=206066

[MrkGrismer]

The Dreaming Dark

Completing the final quest in this series three times (and every third time thereafter) will offer players a single random Ioun Stone, crafting items, and random loot from its end reward list.


http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=206066

Yeah, I was looking in the other spot were the 3 times stuff is listed out. I see it now, my apologies...

[somenewnoob]

Yeah, I was looking in the other spot were the 3 times stuff is listed out. I see it now, my apologies...

I know, I went to go copy it and was like "where the eff did it go, I know I read it here somewhere"

[noinfo]

Only named items that already appeared on the normal End Reward lists are affected. Items that only appeared in chests within the dungeon, or from other non-standard ways, are not. So Muckbane, for instance, still requires you to get lucky with the chest.

There are a couple of exceptions, such as the Ioun Stones in the Dreaming Dark, but those are called out specifically in the release notes.

While the current proposal is a very very good start there is still the issue of very rare rares such as the Kronzek in Big Top. Including those items on a higher multiple would be nice (or better yet fixing spawn rates in the first place)

[GentlemanAndAScholar]

Only named items that already appeared on the normal End Reward lists are affected. Items that only appeared in chests within the dungeon, or from other non-standard ways, are not. So Muckbane, for instance, still requires you to get lucky with the chest.

There are a couple of exceptions, such as the Ioun Stones in the Dreaming Dark, but those are called out specifically in the release notes.

Could you please at least suggest to make Eardweller behave like scrolls? Assigned randomly (automatically) and tradable? Same nonsense tension that happened when scrolls dropped on the floor. Please fix this to either loot in the chest or make them behave like scrolls. Thx. Eardweller loot mechanic is really, really bad news.

[Havok.cry]

In the red fens how about various dampened items and the sp for hp clickie? Im not sure I see what this is effecting in there if those dont have a chance of appearing on the lists.

[Sarisa]

In the red fens how about various dampened items and the sp for hp clickie? Im not sure I see what this is effecting in there if those dont have a chance of appearing on the lists.

Especially important as some of these are not available on Epic difficulty (Shatterbow, Twisted Talisman, Robe of Dissonance, and possibly the Cacophonic Verge).

[sirgog]

Especially important as some of these are not available on Epic difficulty (Shatterbow, Twisted Talisman, Robe of Dissonance, and possibly the Cacophonic Verge).

Also important most of those are among the more desirable Epic items in that pack - other than the Epic Gloves of the Claw and maybe the bracers, the first three of those are on more players' wishlists than anything else in the pack.

That said I prefer the Tide Turns approach - base items dropping with ~10-12 times the drop rate of shards in the Epic chests.

[Vormaerin]

In the red fens how about various dampened items and the sp for hp clickie? Im not sure I see what this is effecting in there if those dont have a chance of appearing on the lists.

Its not having a big effect there. Its just affecting the Red Fens to be consistent with all the other such quest chains. Its a big effect for many other chains, especially for first time players who actually need it. I don't get the impression this change was being made to benefit epic level players.

But definitely getting Carnifex, Visors of the Flesh Render Guards, Bracers of Tharaak/Bow of Sinew, etc is a huge benefit.


There is still all kinds of loot that people want that won't be guaranteed: Planar Girds, Twisted Talismans, and so on. I don't see how that's a problem. Those are mostly single quests. Its grinding huge chains that totally sucks.

[Havok.cry]

Its not having a big effect there. Its just affecting the Red Fens to be consistent with all the other such quest chains. Its a big effect for many other chains, especially for first time players who actually need it. I don't get the impression this change was being made to benefit epic level players.

But definitely getting Carnifex, Visors of the Flesh Render Guards, Bracers of Tharaak/Bow of Sinew, etc is a huge benefit.


There is still all kinds of loot that people want that won't be guaranteed: Planar Girds, Twisted Talismans, and so on. I don't see how that's a problem. Those are mostly single quests. Its grinding huge chains that totally sucks.

I'm mostly just not understanding what changed about the red fens at all (lammas not loaded yet so can't just go look and see) All the quest end rewards already had named loot in ALL of them, so I'm wondering if the third rewards for each individual quest in the fens:

A: have a chance of either half of any of the set items from any of the fens quests

B: have a chance of any named item in the fens (this is what the release notes seem to say, but the above dev response has me wondering if A is the right one)

C: something I haven't thought of

I'm not even thinking of epics, someone else brought that up. I'm an altaholic, I spend little time in epics and am rather newbish to them. Almost no question I ask is related to epics in any way from my perspective, as epics are not the focus of the game for me. I'm one of those crazies that actually enjoy the non epic content.

Also I am personally not making any complaint here, just asking for clarification. I am pretty much the main forumite in my primary guild and I like to pass on as accurate info as I can to my guildies.

[Tom_Hunters]

to OP:

What you guess is probably a no, but
items like Carniflex and Tharask Bracers do

[Vesuvium]

Red Fens:

Most end reward lists with named items are at the end of a quest chain, rather than an individual quest.

In contrast, each individual Red Fens quest already has it's own End Reward list. These end reward lists typically have just a few named items, each with a 50% chance of showing up when you complete the quest.

So each individual Red Fens quest has it's own, individual 3rd completion end reward list, where the named items that normally show up on that quest show up 100% of the time instead of 50% of the time.

[Havok.cry]

Red Fens:

Most end reward lists with named items are at the end of a quest chain, rather than an individual quest.

In contrast, each individual Red Fens quest already has it's own End Reward list. These end reward lists typically have just a few named items, each with a 50% chance of showing up when you complete the quest.

So each individual Red Fens quest has it's own, individual 3rd completion end reward list, where the named items that normally show up on that quest show up 100% of the time instead of 50% of the time.

Thank you for clarifying for me... have some greenies

[Targonis]

Red Fens:

Most end reward lists with named items are at the end of a quest chain, rather than an individual quest.

In contrast, each individual Red Fens quest already has it's own End Reward list. These end reward lists typically have just a few named items, each with a 50% chance of showing up when you complete the quest.

So each individual Red Fens quest has it's own, individual 3rd completion end reward list, where the named items that normally show up on that quest show up 100% of the time instead of 50% of the time.

Would it be possible to add things like the rare named drops from chests also being added to these lists? Having them flagged as BtC or BtA if you get them in this way would make sense, but it would be nice to avoid having to grind quests to get certain items. The Rune Arm from Wizard-King is the perfect example of where this would be a welcome addition.

[Phemt81]

Red Fens:

Most end reward lists with named items are at the end of a quest chain, rather than an individual quest.

In contrast, each individual Red Fens quest already has it's own End Reward list. These end reward lists typically have just a few named items, each with a 50% chance of showing up when you complete the quest.

So each individual Red Fens quest has it's own, individual 3rd completion end reward list, where the named items that normally show up on that quest show up 100% of the time instead of 50% of the time.

While you are at this, could you add a small chance to have epic scroll/shard/seal as end reward in epics? That would be cool.