Remove Bravery bonus penalty from Raids

[JOTMON]

Raids are typically more diffucult levelling than quests, Most levellers i see are skipping raids until they are capped since elite raids are significatly more difficult..(cough..shroud...) We dont want to lose the bravery streak but still want to run raids while levelling..

Suggesting to remove raids from the levelling streak penalty (same as running solo raids). So we dont lose the streak when we run a normal or hard shroud.

[Calebro]

Please do NOT remove the BB from raids. Running a max level 12 elite VoN, or a max level 13 elite Titan, or a max level 14 elite DQ is one of the things that I look forward to doing on my leveling process.
And it's only going to happen ONE time in his life, so I don't want to lose it.
Without BB, no one runs them at level.
With BB, you can actually get an at level group for it.

Please do not change a thing in this regard.
/not signed

[katz]

/signed

[Calebro]

You won't ruin your streak when you run a hard or normal Shroud unless no one in the group is capped. If anyone in the group is capped, BB does not apply, but it also doesn't reset.
You have to be eligible for BB in order to lose your streak. As there will surely be a level 20 in the group, you are not eligible, and therefore will not lose your streak.
All your suggestion will do is RUIN the current trend of at level elite raids that we have, and many of us LIKE that trend and don't want to see it end.

Once again /not signed

[JOTMON]

You won't ruin your streak when you run a hard or normal Shroud unless no one in the group is capped. If anyone in the group is capped, BB does not apply, but it also doesn't reset.
You have to be eligible for BB in order to lose your streak. As there will surely be a level 20 in the group, you are not eligible, and therefore will not lose your streak.
All your suggestion will do is RUIN the current trend of at level elite raids that we have, and many of us LIKE that trend and don't want to see it end.

Once again /not signed

good to know, i was under the impression that you would lose the streak if you did not run the raid elite first.
Seems suspicious that having a level 20 in the party would not break the streak.

I know if I jump in the raid on Normal without level 20's in the group I get.....
"Completing the quest at this difficulty breaks your current Hard/Elite Bravery Streaks."

[gloopygloop]

Raids are typically more diffucult levelling than quests, Most levellers i see are skipping raids until they are capped since elite raids are significatly more difficult..(cough..shroud...) We dont want to lose the bravery streak but still want to run raids while levelling..

Suggesting to remove raids from the levelling streak penalty (same as running solo raids). So we dont lose the streak when we run a normal or hard shroud.

Worrying about losing your Elite streak only matters for raids that are level 18 content or above. It doesn't matter for Shroud, Abbot, ADQ, or Piker's Fate because there will always be at least one person that is level 20 in the quest.

I like the fact that you can get bonus XP for Tempest Spine, and VoN6.

[FastTaco]

Raids that are level 18+ should have the penalties removed if ran on normal the first time(possibly shroud/abbot also... since they are balanced for geared 20's now...), but the extra XP from BB should remain if you happen to do hard/elite the first time anyway.

[MeliCat]

Please do NOT remove the BB from raids. Running a max level 12 elite VoN, or a max level 13 elite Titan, or a max level 14 elite DQ is one of the things that I look forward to doing on my leveling process.
And it's only going to happen ONE time in his life, so I don't want to lose it.
Without BB, no one runs them at level.
With BB, you can actually get an at level group for it.

Please do not change a thing in this regard.
/not signed

Not what he's asking as I understand it.

You can still get BB ... but if you weren't going to get BB then you don't get a *penalty* - like instead it just gets put on hold.

I like this idea. Questing is a challenge for small groups or soloists with the added game of BB now. Raiding is meant for groups - and getting groups together when everyone is BBing is a pain by the time you get to things like Shroud where you would like a completion but not to break your BB. At the same time von6 at level for BB is just kickass fun so no way should that be removed as Calebro says (not to mention *awesome XP*).

It might be something nice for them to consider to encourage more raiding generally when people just can't if they are on a BB - if it's possible to work out a mechanic that works.

[Rian]

I say keep it, many players have been running raids on elite at level long before the rediculous gear we have now and when the cap was much lower. If players know what to do, work as a team, play their strengths, and cover eachother's weaknesses it is do-able.

How else are you supposed to develope your raiding skills if you don't do them at level?

[JOTMON]

I say keep it, many players have been running raids on elite at level long before the rediculous gear we have now and when the cap was much lower. If players know what to do, work as a team, play their strengths, and cover eachother's weaknesses it is do-able.

How else are you supposed to develope your raiding skills if you don't do them at level?

Shroud Abbott and Reaver were revitalized to do much more damage/more Hp's on Elite.

Shroud Blades in Part 4 averaging 100hp/tic get a blade following you and expect 4-6 hits in 2 seconds.
Not many at level non-TR's xp'ing parties can take that amount of damage and sustain resources for 4 rounds. (remember at level non-TR's so no ESOS's and other uberized gear..)

Reaver - 500HP disintigrates and op air ellies throwing you around... of the 3 this is still managable with a good experienced party.

Abbott- Don't need to say much here, this won't be run as part of the XP circuit. Epically Geared Capped Toons don't get through here with no deaths.

Titan - Nothing positive here...I havent run this in over a year.. quest cycle is too long xp is **** and drop rates are even worse. Lag on titan while pillars are dropping=instafail (Least recommended pack...almost as good as 3 barrel cove.)

Thank the new mods - Raids were adjusted to challenge capped toons with epic gear so now raiding skills get developed by tagging along with uberized toons not running them at level.

[Rian]

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While they are re-adjusted to fit higher level toons (which I do not agree with), TRs can still hit cap in the vale (including slayers and explorerers along the way) and not go past it if they know how.

I think a better solution would be for them to re-adjust the quests BACK to being able to do them at level.

[Ungood]

Suggesting to remove raids from the levelling streak penalty (same as running solo raids). So we dont lose the streak when we run a normal or hard shroud.

/Signed.

Raids breaking streak sucks.

[sirgog]

Please do NOT remove the BB from raids. Running a max level 12 elite VoN, or a max level 13 elite Titan, or a max level 14 elite DQ is one of the things that I look forward to doing on my leveling process.
And it's only going to happen ONE time in his life, so I don't want to lose it.
Without BB, no one runs them at level.
With BB, you can actually get an at level group for it.

Please do not change a thing in this regard.
/not signed

This.

Removing bravery from raids will kill off at-level raiding. Taking people 3 levels over (say a 17 in DQ2) is only a -25% XP penalty and so of course people will do it.

Reaver 14-16 elite is widely done as well as the ones Calebro mentioned - you see both people that want loot in those, and people that have everything they want from the raid. Chronoscope and maybe Abbot and Shroud are the only raids that are considered 'too hard' to do at level (Chronoscope by far the hardest) and if you want to do those at-level on a lower difficulty, you can just invite someone that is one level too high for Bravery so you preserve your streak.

Shroud Elite is a good deal easier than Stealer of Souls Elite or Crucible Elite anyway. Now THOSE are streak killers.

[Feithlin]

I don't really mind, but the elite Chronoscope streak I did some weeks ago was really nice, so it would be sad to loose such nice challenges.