LFMs and Difficulty

[TheDearLeader]

I see this happen sometimes, and I'm going to say something about it.

If a party leader puts up an LFM, they'll likely list difficulty. If not, when you hover over the Quest name, the difficulty will be there.

If an LFM is up for a difficulty you don't want to run it on? Make your own.
You join, ask difficulty, and it's not what you want to run it on? Leave, and make your own.

But my LFMs are not a debate class. And I highly doubt anyone else puts up an LFM with a difficulty above, or below, what they actually want to run it on.

[Hendrik]

Ohh, sounds fun!


What I miss?

[Dozen_Black_Roses]

One of the problems is alot of folks, especially the newer ones that used to shout in gen chat before they learned the lfm system, dont select a difficulty and it defaults to normal. So the quest difficulty is not always clear. This is why when I put up LFM"s I not only select it, I will also type it manually "elite for bravery" along with my typical schpeal about no handholding and self sufficiency. Even then I undoubted get asked once to twice per day "what difficulty", which makes me want to auto respond with something rude to the effect of can't you read in not so polite terms. Anyways, it's a minor pet peeve, that I get over quickly and advise you to also.

[TheDearLeader]

Ohh, sounds fun!


What I miss?

I'll tell you in game.

One of the problems is alot of folks, especially the newer ones that used to shout in gen chat before they learned the lfm system, dont select a difficulty and it defaults to normal. So the quest difficulty is not always clear. This is why when I put up LFM"s I not only select it, I will also type it manually "elite for bravery" along with my typical schpeal about no handholding and self sufficiency. Even then I undoubted get asked once to twice per day "what difficulty", which makes me want to auto respond with something rude to the effect of can't you read in not so polite terms. Anyways, it's a minor pet peeve, that I get over quickly and advise you to also.

I will never "get over" people's inability to read the language with which they have grown up with.

That's less the concern. More the concern is that after being told what difficulty the quest is intended to be run on, said person continuing to try to cajole/lobby for a different difficulty.

[Sarisa]

That's less the concern. More the concern is that after being told what difficulty the quest is intended to be run on, said person continuing to try to cajole/lobby for a different difficulty.

Right click, dismiss. If they want to run on elite, when the LFM said normal, let them make their own group.

PS. Right click, dismiss, is the same thing I do when I get someone whose first thing they say is "ship plz" when they're coming to loot eClaw.

[TheDearLeader]

Right click, dismiss. If they want to run on elite, when the LFM said normal, let them make their own group.

Oh, they got the boot. Funny, I didn't see them put up an LFM for Elite afterward, either.

[CheeseMilk]

I will never "get over" people's inability to read the language with which they have grown up with.

Yes, that's the kind of nonsense up with which I will not put. Up. With.

But anyway, yeah. My party, my rules, Your party, your rules. Anyone who jumps in a quest on a difficulty other than what I have decided, and doesn't apologize immediately, honestly, and preferably with an offer of recompense, is probably going to get Blacklisted.

Myself, I will usually poll the group as to difficulty when doing a raid just for completion, especially HoX or VoD, but I'll state my intention to do so in the lfm text.

That said, when I see "Normal" when I mouseover, I never assume that's what it's going to be, unless I see it in the text box, too. Default is just that.

[Postumus]

But my LFMs are not a debate class. And I highly doubt anyone else puts up an LFM with a difficulty above, or below, what they actually want to run it on.

Slow drama day?

[Postumus]

I will never "get over" people's inability to read the language with which they have grown up with.

Could this statement be classified as unintentional irony?

[LadyAerys]

Got to love people without the star trying to argue with the group you formed.

[Hobgoblin]

not on sarlona - not for a while now- but wanted to share my personal encounter with this

running adq1 at level going for streak (its awesome xp as well!) my lfm read: adq1 on elite streak friendly be flagged if you want to raid after wards (with the quest in the box on elite)

first pugger: hi! could i get a share plz?
Me: cant share, but you can come for awesome xp.
Pugger: ok. never done it, but I listen well and follow directions
me: ok (blah blah blah walk him to the quest and we start)

Lfm has been modified to ip at this point

We clear the center and start on the first hall and we get another caster.

Caster: hi! i just need this for flagging - do we have to do it on elite? casual or norm is much faster!
Me: no
Caster: Its gonna take forever to do it on elite!
Me: Ok. first off, the lfm said elite. 2nd off, We are in on elite right now. 3rd, this is my group, and I am the cleric. if you dont like it, leave.
Caster: wow you have a real attitude problem. you must not group much.
Me: goodbye (remove)

Then the newbie and I proceeded to finish the dungeon. I was quite impressed and invited him to join my guild

just my two cents.

hob

[Ilindith]

I will never "get over" people's inability to read the language with which they have grown up with.

I haven't! I can be noob now?

[TDarkchylde]

Only reason I ever bother to ask is so I can be sure I've got all the supplies I need.

[ArcaneMelee]

Haven't played on Sarlona in months, but rest assured the others in your party are tickled pink when you boot the ign'ant.

[gerardIII]

You never know who is behind "Superbarbarian", it can be a guy used to putting LFMs up or a newbie. Better make sure about his intentions than waste 30 mins for the party to fill and realize he's going to run Casual Kobolt Asssualult for Favor and Loot.

I will never "get over" people's inability to read the language with which they have grown up with.

I didn't grow up with the english language.

[jwdaniels]

I think part of the problem is premium people on a first-life that don't realize that you don't really need to worry about bravery bonuses and streaks when all you need is 1.9 million exp who want to try and maintain an elite streak but can't without help. Not saying this is a good reason, just saying that I think it's the cause of most of the quest difficulty drama.

[morticianjohn]

I play on cannith but we get the same types of things.

Maybe players like me are creating the issue that you're having. I lead a group and will frequently discuss possible difficulties. It isn't just me. I see this quite a bit. Just because ~ some group leaders are strict about what quest and which difficulty doesn't mean that a player can't (or shouldn't) state their personal preference. One example of this was my first ever elite shroud. I put up an lfm for shroud and when it filled with 12 lvl 20 characters including a bard, some tricked out melee and plenty of arcane/divine I asked if anyone had gotten the elite favor and 4-5 were VERY interested in getting that out of the way (when there was no extra reward it was generally a once per life run for many people to do elite shroud). So we did it on elite, well executed and even the one or two who were unhappy because elite may take longer probably were satisfied because we got it done in ~50 min.

Many other examples of this. I've been talked into changing the quest difficulty before and will continue to be flexible in my groups. I think as long as things are polite when questions are asked then a polite response is all that is needed. No need to kick someone for asking a question likely they will be satisfied no matter what difficulty you decide but just wanted to see if their preference (or presence in some cases) would change your mind a bit.

[TheDearLeader]

No need to kick someone for asking a question likely they will be satisfied no matter what difficulty you decide but just wanted to see if their preference (or presence in some cases) would change your mind a bit.

It was more than a simple "can we try another difficulty? Oh, no? Okay." sort of event that prompted my OP. It was more like:

Me : Welcome
Pug : What difficulty?
Me : Normal. I just want a completion.
Pug : Meh, let's do the difficulty I want. (Hard)
Me : I'd really prefer normal, I just want a completion.
Pug : Hopping in on the difficulty I want to do. (Hard)
Me : Uh....no? I'd really rather prefer you not.
Pug : Oh you know what? I don't have Elite favor for this yet. Forget Hard, we should do Elite!
Me : I....still just want a Normal completion. That's why I bothered to put an LFM up.
Pug : [Starts name calling]
Me : Goodbye. /boot

(Other mitigating factors. I was on a Kensei, so I'm not an Arcane, a Divine, or even my Spellsinger. I'm providing absolutely no support in the buffing, trash-killing, CCing, or healing processes. Also, this is a full PUG - and just like they don't know anything about me when they click my LFM, I don't know anything about them. This could be their first time running this quest for all I know. I could be the only one in the party with Heavy Fort for all I know. In order to put the least amount of stress possible on our healers, and casters, and their blue bars, I was preferential to the lowest difficulty setting possible that ensured a completion.)

It's not the people who ask for clarification of difficulty. It's not even the people who do try to humbly suggest we could strive for higher, or that we're aiming too high, and should do an easier difficulty that are post-worthy.

It's the ones that join an LFM you've taken the time to put up, and sit, and wait to have fill, only to decide that now that you've taken that time, they want to call the shots and be rude about it, too. There's a line crossed between discussion options, and agree to disagree - leave - make your own.

[Funny_looking_mole]

That said, when I see "Normal" when I mouseover, I never assume that's what it's going to be, unless I see it in the text box, too. Default is just that.

This.

Also the inability of people to read or understand the LFM never ceases to amaze me (the reason we have just wiz/sorc/bard is because we want CC, your AA kensai with 1 wizard doesn't count). That said, I have seen worse things, like the occasional raid listed for normal, and than the group leader figures with 2 healers he can run hard so changes the LFM when we are half full without telling anyone.

[djl]

Right click, dismiss. If they want to run on elite, when the LFM said normal, let them make their own group.

PS. Right click, dismiss, is the same thing I do when I get someone whose first thing they say is "ship plz" when they're coming to loot eClaw.

"Plz" is a pet peeve of mine. I'm far more likely to be more tolerant of someone who actually types out "please" than someone who says "plz." But yes, someone joining a "already done, come loot" LFM who asks for buffs deserves a boot. Also, another instance where I will boot someone is if they click an LFM and then their first words are "what quest are we doing?"