Flawless victory Epic LoB on Khyber, 25 minutes

[Shade]

Done of ton of these, and seen a lot posted.. But I think this is the first game-wide flawless victory run. I think I managed to die in every other completion ive done heh, just so many ways to die in that raid.

Oh and btw we did it in 25 min.

We were shocked because it was not a planned speedrun at all, we took a lot of time to explain things out, killed the dogs, etc.. Usual "safe" run.

That and it was our 2nd run of the night (actually i did 3 back to back LoBs heh), many of us on non-ideal alts - I was on my ancient original 28 point bbn heh =)

0-3 pots from the clr/fvs. Possibly more from arcanes, Most didn't dps... Definetely can be optimized a lot further in terms of time.. But in terms of being effecient, it will be pretty hard to beat.

What we did do flawlessly was crush him in melee. Impressive display of skill from all players and definetely the most flawless melee assault i've seen. And the only run i've seen with --zero-- serious mistakes. 3 ESoS melee, top threat stalwart tank (I only offtanked maybe sub 1min as he managed to avoid most debuffs blocking) and near-flawless fort debuffs was the key I think.


Lead by Vizjeri (Elite raiders) and few other from Elite Raiders, but was a pug imo. 7+ different guilds, not entirely planned. All awesome players, most of us knew each other.

Pretty nice loot too. Vizjeri got a full empty and greater cell, plenty of spirits. I actaully just completed my first tier3 too on sorc, its pretty sweet.

Pics:
Xp Report
Loots: Got exquisit fire.. Cpl full exquisit empties dropped (Viz got one and a greater cell), misc other junks.. This raid really should be dropping +4 tomes..
Just made this for my sorc:


Above with details on (you know its a nice weapon when it has so many enchantments doesn't fit on a 1920x1080 rez screen lol)

Also check out Vizjeri's thread on khyber forum for pics of group shot:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=357121

Next time: We gain extra lives and use a negative amount of mana pots?

[anantela]

gz guys nice gj

[Psypher]

Congrats, nice run.

To farm Epic LoB few times everyday, mana pots should not be used at all. Zero pot farming is the most important condition to ask members to bring his Healer/Caster.

I was impressed that this run was "PUG" one. In Thelanis, PUG Epic LoB is not common at all yet. Your approach to this raid is very different from ours. I think Thelanis players should learn a lot from your way to form the group from variety of players.

[Shadowaras]

Done of ton of these, and seen a lot posted.. But I think this is the first game-wide flawless victory run. I think I managed to die in every other completion ive done heh, just so many ways to die in that raid.

Oh and btw we did it in 25 min.

Gz guys.. nice one .. i see that is becoming easier for other parties to beat him down and complete in less and less time ..would be nice to have some competition

Next time: We gain extra lives and use a negative amount of mana pots?

Nice goals

[praetor]

-3 pots from the clr/fvs. Possibly more from arcanes, Most didn't dps... Definetely can be optimized a lot further in terms of time.. But in terms of being effecient, it will be pretty hard to beat.

i can confirm that none of the healers drank any pots.

[Deamus]

Gongrats ! Realy nice run !

You used dots ? How many were doting ?

[RedDragonScale]

Gongrats ! Realy nice run !

You used dots ? How many were doting ?

Follow the link in the OP.

No DOTs were used.

[WruntJunior]

Incredible. Simply incredible.

[Deamus]

Follow the link in the OP.

No DOTs were used.

So why his party wizard says otherwise as you can see in OP image in party chat? :


Still nice accomplishment and really nice time . Gongrats .
Dots were used nothing wrong with that .

[praetor]

So why his party wizard says otherwise as you can see in OP image in party chat? :
Still nice accomplishment and really nice time . Gongrats .
Dots were used nothing wrong with that .

the mistake is in the thread i wrote. i wasn't aware that aneeya dotted. i didn't sorc dot. had i known how fast we were going to go, i would have!!!!!! lol

[Shade]

So why his party wizard says otherwise as you can see in OP image in party chat? :

Still nice accomplishment and really nice time . Gongrats .
Dots were used nothing wrong with that .

Considering his massive 90 point ice/elec resist.. no offense to anneya, but its hard to contribute much on a wiz.

On the run directly previous, I dotted/slas and stuff on my max dps sorc build, and I doubt I contributed much, my SLAs barely got thru and only my ice dot did much thank sto the ice resist bypas (also not specd for elec, so never used it)

Sorc and wiz CAN deal some nice dps.. But they gota do more then dots, gota polar ray, meteor swarm, etc, and go really nuts on the sp pots like anantela did in their run (and he did an awesome job btw). Aneeya did some dmg, but didnt go all out like that. His main contrib was huge tho despite that, he had by far the most kills as he messed up the trash and pillars extremely fast, which are a huge part of the run.

[anantela]

anantela is completionist x 3 all caster divine also he got 2 alch weapons tier 3 w-w-f, a-a-e, for dots the goal for us was to make a run and to speed up things so this raid that was in 40 min it go now 20-25 in a speed run +video to watch it ppl how it work ,about deaths i dont know ho wmany times u run in khyber but if have done a lots u know that there is a chance that someone can die or nobody to die depends what attack do when he drop when fall etc
in highrollers really have stop to do epic most of us have craft weapons etc and the funny thing is that we miss tier 2 than tier 3 ;]

[kazeikan]

Besides aneeya the healers and the other caster did not dot. You can verify that the healers drank no pots. Aneeya use 3 pots that can't be said to be substantial dotting. If we had a video, it would have been apparent that we also spend 3-4 min in the beginning saying instructions through voice. Kokaisa (ER) and ayspam are both triple of each divine and arcane completionist ;] Just two that would join in other lob runs and would possibly use if this was an intended speed run instead of a safe no pot run. Now imagine the time if the divines and casters chugged upwards of 20's of pots and actively dotted.

[Shadowaras]

Besides aneeya the healers and the other caster did not dot. You can verify that the healers drank no pots. Aneeya use 3 pots that can't be said to be substantial dotting. If we had a video, it would have been apparent that we also spend 3-4 min in the beginning saying instructions through voice. Kokaisa (ER) and ayspam are both triple of each divine and arcane completionist ;] Just two that would join in other lob runs and would possibly use if this was an intended speed run instead of a safe no pot run. Now imagine the time if the divines and casters chugged upwards of 20's of pots and actively dotted.

To get this clear because i see ppl dancing around the subject making sarcastic comments and implying things ... No1 sais completing epic lob in 25 mins is not an achievment by itself ,and my first comment on this thread was saying just that, without giving merit to the clear sarcastic comments starting the thread ..Now since then i have seen posts both here and khyber's thread saying stuff like .. "our run was clearly better","we didnt use any dots " ,"we didnt drink any pots ", "we didnt even try for speed run " ,"u can't count in the 4 mins we wasted to explain .." etc trying to downgrade the run we made in thelanis. FACT we did the run in 21 mins..posted pic +video.FACT the previus posted in raid times from posted pics in khybers thread was 40+ mins .FACT the 25 mins run was done 1 week after we post the video ..which we posted in an effort to help other parties and ppl to get a better understanding of the raid mechanics and to show that with proper coordination it can be beaten in very small amount of time.. Now as for pot usage .. as u can see in the video .. ppl r drinking pots not because they HAVE to ..since their sp bar was far from depleted .But because they want to be on the safe side and have sp reserve.

I would be happy in the spirit of friendly competition to see many more diverse parties completing the raid faster and easier than we did ..and thats why we post the videos ,we answer to people qusetion about tricks and techinques and we make guides.

Keep on the good work folks and enjoy

[Deamus]

the mistake is in the thread i wrote. i wasn't aware that aneeya dotted. i didn't sorc dot. had i known how fast we were going to go, i would have!!!!!! lol

Considering his massive 90 point ice/elec resist.. no offense to anneya, but its hard to contribute much on a wiz.

On the run directly previous, I dotted/slas and stuff on my max dps sorc build, and I doubt I contributed much, my SLAs barely got thru and only my ice dot did much thank sto the ice resist bypas (also not specd for elec, so never used it)

Sorc and wiz CAN deal some nice dps.. But they gota do more then dots, gota polar ray, meteor swarm, etc, and go really nuts on the sp pots like anantela did in their run (and he did an awesome job btw). Aneeya did some dmg, but didnt go all out like that. His main contrib was huge tho despite that, he had by far the most kills as he messed up the trash and pillars extremely fast, which are a huge part of the run.

Besides aneeya the healers and the other caster did not dot. You can verify that the healers drank no pots. Aneeya use 3 pots that can't be said to be substantial dotting. If we had a video, it would have been apparent that we also spend 3-4 min in the beginning saying instructions through voice. Kokaisa (ER) and ayspam are both triple of each divine and arcane completionist ;] Just two that would join in other lob runs and would possibly use if this was an intended speed run instead of a safe no pot run. Now imagine the time if the divines and casters chugged upwards of 20's of pots and actively dotted.

25 mins and flawless is really great accomplishment . (not sarcastic at all )

BUT with that said the 0 dots comments was ""false"" , the 0 pots comments was
""false"" , the comment about "hey it wasnt a speed run" we all know it was
""false"" and i will take it as a "joke" only , the comment about "dots not doing
enough dmg" again it is ""false"" .

About Dots , the difference of doting and no doting at all is huge in mins . The
thelanis runs proved that 38 mins runs multiple runs was hard to break without
dots. The 21 mins run which lob was spamed with dots is the proof how
powerful dots are.

I'm not saying dots are cheating or more easy way to do Elob .

So you did a 25 mins speed run with 0 deaths and that should be only advertised!!!!

All the rest are misinformation and not "mistakes" .....

PS. I m sure you will do this below 21 mins, you all got the skill . But please dont misinform people.

[kazeikan]

Shadow you for one haven't brooched this subject and I respect that, but let's take a minute here of why I would post what I posted as it was obviously one sided.

for dots the goal for us was to make a run and to speed up things so this raid that was in 40 min it go now 20-25 in a speed run +video to watch it ppl how it work

So 3 pots worth of mana that included some dotting by 1 wizard is the significant factor between a 40 min and a 25 min run? If dots were that powerful they would direly need a nerf.

,about deaths i dont know ho wmany times u run in khyber but if have done a lots u know that there is a chance that someone can die or nobody to die depends what attack do when he drop when fall etc

Interpretation: The only reason your run was flawless was because of luck of the draw.

n highrollers really have stop to do epic most of us have craft weapons etc and the funny thing is that we miss tier 2 than tier 3 ;]

Interpretation: Why are we discussing this? Elob is passe, we highrollers don't even acknowledge it anymore



As you can see this thread was posted by axer, not by us. I felt and I think that viz would agree that our run did not quite match up to yours and was not significant enough to be posted on anything but khyber forums. In fact I'm still overly impressed by the Thelanis run. I have only typed in response afterwards so I would like it if you didn't quote my post and use it as an example. I believe you for one wholeheartedly enjoy good-natured competition so I would like you to see I had just cause to be defensive.

To Deamus, you honestly believe that 3 pots what 600-800 sp? worth of dot is the contributing factor between a 40 min run and 25 min run? I will acknowlege that you are right and viz can no longer claim this to be a no dot run because of one anomaly. This was also clearly not a speed run or we would have included more guildies and people would be on more optimal toons. Metalaxer > axer or so he says. Better yet we just wouldn't take axer along .

[anantela]

ppl that we glad that u did a nice run on lob we been all ppl that we post to u GJ NICE RUN etc
afte rthis post start to go wrong way,
was bette rto speak about tactics and to have a video and how u did that,than a war thelanis vs khyber
me i dotn care who is better but how ppl try to make a raid or how to be better.
feel better to speak about tactics and how si work this raid and to help on ppl that play ddo to make this one
i feel highrollers ppl are open to explain any tactic there and help
ty ana
have fun

[praetor]

to address some of the comments made by thelanis: first off, these were truly mistakes on my part. it was not my intention to deceive or lie. when i discovered i was mistaken, i admitted to it and posted the correction in this thread and my thread. it seems that despite all this there is still a great deal of anger, and i'm sorry if you were offended by this mistake, but please know that it was not intentional.

i also noticed that people have targeted my party in response to opinions of people who weren't even in our run. as a party we can't control statements and opinions of people not in our run, so i would encourage you to find ways to criticize the posters of these comments instead of moving to attack us as a party.

what i find most interesting is that there seems to be a disproportionate backlash against a second place finish, especially considering how personal the attacks have become and the accusations thrown, especially against me specifically. i have never said anything to demean the achievement of thelanis, yet we have experienced not just criticism, but personal attacks from people who don't even know us. my party members are very good players and are just a group of guys/girls looking to have fun. they are all my personal friends and your categorical accusations against our party are unfounded and false. your personal attacks serve no purpose except to reveal your burning insecurity. my suggestion to you is to congratulate or don't post, as the current WR holders finding every tiny excuse to troll an achievement thread only makes you look small. let your skills speak for themselves, no need for attacks. and mark my words, the skills will speak for themselves.

[Blackmoors]

Congratz guys, really nice run! Anyone has a video or perhaps cares to share the tactics? Things like:

:: how many were scroll healing?
:: who destroyed the pillars?
:: the tank was using AC to "dodge" some hits or just using damage mitigation?
:: what debuffs were you using on LoB?
:: did you kept the pillars up to get center buff?
:: did you swap tanks because of Mournlands?

Some feedback would be great, ty in advance

[praetor]

Congratz guys, really nice run! Anyone has a video or perhaps cares to share the tactics? Things like:

:: how many were scroll healing?
:: who destroyed the pillars?
:: the tank was using AC to "dodge" some hits or just using damage mitigation?
:: what debuffs were you using on LoB?
:: did you kept the pillars up to get center buff?
:: did you swap tanks because of Mournlands?

Some feedback would be great, ty in advance

unfortunately a video was not recorded, we didn't expect to finish in the time we did.

answers:

1) 4
2) first part: whitelegacy, second part: everyone but heltzer and FVS
3) using skill
4) imp d, chime, ck, crown
5) yes
6) kind of, all DPS pictured have alts that are tanks so it wasnt a big deal if aggro swapped as we treated it as a spell/break for helltzer, but to answer your question for the most part it was not intentional

for more on general lob strategy, axer has a good guide here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=350120