sincere request for advice for TR -> Wiz

[NovaNZ]

Hail!

Have current 1st life dwarf cleric 19/ fighter 1.
After solid advice for TR into Wiz (34 pt build). Must be Dwarf!

Ideas for end-build ideal gearing list would be useful also. Not intended to go into Epics but rather TR again for 3rd life etc.

"Khazad maagaz Kar!" ~ "Dwarfs are magical Rock!"

[Spiffyspiffy]

Must be Dwarf!

Fail

Not intended to go into Epics but rather TR again for 3rd life etc.

9barb/11wiz

[NovaNZ]

Tx Spiffy.

I'll file your input in the appropriate cabinet.

[Feithlin]

If you plan to TR again directly, you shouldn't have problem.
A wiz is rather straightforward. You'd better aim for PM as a fleshy (even if you AM from 6 to 11).
Attributes: max Int, max Con, rest in Str.
Feats:
* Must-haves (imo), in no particular order: Toughness, Maximize, Extend, Empower, Quicken, Mental toughness (for wraith form, change to Heighten at 18), Spell pen, Imp. spell pen, SF: Necro, gSF: Necro.
That's 10 feats, out of 12.
* Nice to have: Insightful reflexes, probably SF: conjuration to take advantage of your cleric PL.

[HarveyMilk]

PM will let you self-heal. If you're going to TR anyway, you could try a fleshy AM. It's not ideal, because like most meleers, you'll have to use pots to heal. But, with your cleric past life, if you take spell focus conjuration, you can spec your AM for some rather nice webs.

Gearing is hard to discuss because that really depends on what packs you own.

[NovaNZ]

Hail Feithlin. Appreciate your input.

I take it self-healing via neg energy is the +ve of PM over AM as a fleshy?

In the example below I have taken active PL feat Initiate of the Faith - should have some inherent self-healing up to 150ish with this as a fleshy.

Am thinking the following:
SP +4, GSF Conjur and Necro.

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.11.02
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Level 20 Chaotic Neutral Dwarf Male
(20 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 282
Spell Points: 1680 
BAB: 10\10\15\20
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 16
Will: 12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             10                    12
Dexterity             8                    10
Constitution         20                    24
Intelligence         18                    31
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma              6                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               1                    15
Bluff                -2                    -1
Concentration         9                    33
Diplomacy            -2                    -1
Disable Device        n/a                  n/a
Haggle               -2                    10
Heal                 -1                     2
Hide                 -1                    11
Intimidate           -2                    -1
Jump                  0                     7
Listen               -1                     0
Move Silently         1                    11
Open Lock            n/a                    n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                4                    11
Search                4                    12
Spot                  1                    11
Swim                  0                     1
Tumble                1                     3
Use Magic Device      0                    10

Level 1 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation I
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I


Level 2 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Combustive Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation I


Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I


Level 4 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation II
Enhancement: Wizard Subtle Spellcasting I


Level 5 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Conjuration
Enhancement: Improved Concentration II
Enhancement: Deadly Acid I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Wizard Archmage I


Level 7 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation III
Enhancement: Wizard Subtle Spellcasting II
Enhancement: Archmage Spell Mastery I: Conjuration


Level 8 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II


Level 9 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Initiate of the Faith
Enhancement: Arcane Bolt
Enhancement: Wizard Archmage II
Enhancement: Conjuration I - Grease
Enhancement: Conjuration II - Web


Level 10 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Necromancy
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration I


Level 11 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Improved Concentration III
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III


Level 12 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Conjuration
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Wizard Archmage III
Enhancement: Archmage Secondary Spell Mastery I: Necromancy


Level 13 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration II


Level 14 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense III
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation IV


Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration


Level 16 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence III
Enhancement: Arcane Blast
Enhancement: Wizard Archmage IV


Level 17 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Force Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Subtle Spellcasting III


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy


Level 19 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation V
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration III
Enhancement: Wizard Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 20 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Empower Spell
Enhancement: Wizard Master of Magic
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing I

[HarveyMilk]

You really want Heighten.

[NovaNZ]

Hail HarveyMilk.

I have access to all packs. I love purchasing shares in Turbine Inc (joke ok)

I’ve read a post re potential healing capacity of Cleric PL feat for self healing fleshy's but don't actually have any experience of same.

Gear wise - I'm quite sub-par to be honest.
Minos, elf-rune robe, HoF, working on securing Skiver .... have about 7 shroud runs done etc etc.

Gona focus on gearing up within reason before TR. Just want to develop a clear TR goal to work towards.

Tx for your constructive feedback.

[NovaNZ]

Good point re Heighten. Blasted Dwarfs - love them to bits but they ain't human on the feat side eh!

Perhaps give up SP at lvl 15 and insert heighten.

Loss without a doubt but I play in dwarf guild with self-emposed racial restriction. Be that on my head without a doubt

[tfdac]

Nova, talk to me in game.

I have a dwarf pale master who kicks some butt. Can give you pointers. Look her up on myddo under Hellica.

Wytina

[NovaNZ]

Kurnmorn vel Glorak Wytina!

[MrFister]

If you're planning to TR again at 20, taking a level of Barb isn't a terrible idea. It'll make the first few levels easier and everything faster with sprint boost. Here's a quick throw-together.

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Level 19 True Neutral Dwarf Male
(1 Barbarian \ 18 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 271
Spell Points: 1409 
BAB: 10\10\15\20
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 5
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 19)
Strength             16                    16
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence         18                    25
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 19)
Balance              -1                     3
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         3                     4
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  3                     3
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock            n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                4                     7
Search                4                     9
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  3                     3
Tumble               n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I


Level 2 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation I
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation I
Enhancement: Storm Manipulation I
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I


Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Necromancy
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I
Enhancement: Wizard Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 4 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 5 (Wizard)


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Charged Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Combustive Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Kinetic Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Force Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II


Level 7 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master I


Level 8 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II


Level 9 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II


Level 10 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III


Level 11 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence III


Level 12 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV


Level 13 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master II
Enhancement: Shroud of the Wraith


Level 14 (Wizard)


Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration


Level 16 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Empower Spell


Level 17 (Wizard)


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell


Level 19 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation II
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation III
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation V
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation VI
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation VII
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar IV
Enhancement: Shroud of the Lich
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master III

[Hobgoblin]

have you considered 2 rogue/18 wiz?

you have the dwarf spell defense

you can go am till 13-14 and then go pm

and for a tr, not having to wait for the traps is good.

hob

[Carpone]

If you're looking to TR immediately after a wizard past life, then I strongly suggest a Warforged Archmage with Greater Evocation focus and enhancements. You'll self-heal as a Warfoged with Reconstruct/Repair Critical better than you will as a fleshy Pale Master. Being immune to neg levels and other odds and ends is spiffy too. Archmage will give you a bit more mana to sling your Fireballs and Delayed Blast Fireballs with.

The last wizard past life I did was a Warforged Archmage and I was incredibly happy with it. Even this life, my 9th, where I plan on playing a Drow Pale Master for a while, I'm taking Archmage enhancements until level 14.

[NovaNZ]

Tx for the ongoing feedback all.

MrFister - I'll probably decline the Barb splash path - I have a few other axe-swinging alts and I really need to learn to be a competent (and aggressive) spell caster without the temptation of swinging a dwarfs best friend.

Hobgoblin - I hear what you are saying I had a dwarf Wiz10 / Rog2 Evoc specced as well as competent trapper. May well keep that option open as this TR will be just to get Wiz PL so I can go back to Cleric with better Spell Pen etc.

Carpone - What you say makes sense. I accept that my choice to stay Dwarf is bypassing min/max values (especially when it has been clearly established that WF and Wiz go together like The All Blacks and the Rugby World Cup)

I am taking notice of the fact that a few of you are recommending going AM till lvl 14 then changing to PM. Ill look at that closely.

Tx again all. Genuinely appreciated.

[MRMechMan]

Dwarf is fine as a palemaster.

I recommend splashing 1 barb for runspeed if you care about speed and are not staying capped.

[NovaNZ]

Hail MRMechMan

kk got you. Barb for +10% base speed and +35% (by memory) 20sec burst.

Ranger 1 also gives 20 sec +35% speed burst if I remember. Still Barb would be preferred I take it.

Tx

[NovaNZ]

Ok so going PM with max Spell Pen, Greater necro, Conjur focus + 1DC Conjur (cleric PL).

Anyways

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.11.02
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Level 20 Neutral Good Dwarf Male
(20 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 282
Spell Points: 1680 
BAB: 10\10\15\20
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 16
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             10                    12
Dexterity             8                    10
Constitution         19                    22
Intelligence         18                    31
Wisdom                9                    12
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 4
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 4
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance              -1                     4
Bluff                -1                     0
Concentration         4                     6
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device        n/a                  n/a
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                 -1                     1
Hide                 -1                     0
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  0                     1
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently        -1                     0
Open Lock            n/a                    n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                4                    10
Search                4                    12
Spot                 -1                     1
Swim                  0                     1
Tumble               n/a                    n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                    n/a

Level 1 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Acid Manipulation I
Enhancement: Frost Manipulation I
Enhancement: Storm Manipulation I
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation I


Level 2 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I


Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Force Manipulation I


Level 4 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
Enhancement: Wizard Subtle Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Wizard Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 5 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Necromancy
Enhancement: Glacial Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Combustive Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration I


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master I


Level 7 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing II


Level 8 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense III
Enhancement: Deadly Ice I


Level 9 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration II


Level 10 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II


Level 11 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II


Level 12 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master II
Enhancement: Shroud of the Wraith


Level 13 (Wizard)


Level 14 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration III


Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing III


Level 16 (Wizard)


Level 17 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence III


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III
Enhancement: Shroud of the Lich
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master III


Level 19 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Quickening I
Enhancement: Wizard Subtle Spellcasting II


Level 20 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Conjuration
Enhancement: Wizard Master of Magic
Enhancement: Corrosive Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Summon Skeletal Knight

[MRMechMan]

I would take extend a little sooner if going PM its nice for the aura. Also nice for haste (and displace if no torc)

For skills max concentration and umd (11 ranks can be useful and wizzies get a ton of skill points).

Personally, I wouldn't use +3 tomes on a TR build, but if you are willing to drop the cash to do so it can't hurt

1barb is very nice indeed when TRing...for many quests 10% run speed=10% faster completion times...throw in sprint boost and it's probably closer to 20-25% faster completions for those 1-4minute quests (and when playing a wizard right, a shocking number of quests take that long. 4 minute running with the devils for the win!).

It also definitely increases survivability, suprisingly. Traps that hit you 2x usually hit you 1x or not all when sprinting. And when kiting between wails it would probably help as well.

[Crann]

If you're looking to TR immediately after a wizard past life, then I strongly suggest a Warforged Archmage with Greater Evocation focus and enhancements. You'll self-heal as a Warfoged with Reconstruct/Repair Critical better than you will as a fleshy Pale Master. Being immune to neg levels and other odds and ends is spiffy too. Archmage will give you a bit more mana to sling your Fireballs and Delayed Blast Fireballs with.

The last wizard past life I did was a Warforged Archmage and I was incredibly happy with it. Even this life, my 9th, where I plan on playing a Drow Pale Master for a while, I'm taking Archmage enhancements until level 14.

Do you recommend splashing rogue or not for a 20 and TR wiz life?

I see you've done it both ways, which would you call more solo, or short man friendly for XP grinding.

I can't decide whether being able to get trap disabling xp is worth waiting a level for key spells and just zerging through traps.