Exploit Impact

[Darknark]

Your comment makes no sense.

Glad that It's not just me coming to this conclusion about that post..

[Vormaerin]

The supply of finished items has altered pretty significantly.

Not to mention, you've established no basis for accepting this is true. What is "significantly" in this case, anyway?

Heck, the percentage of players running epic quests in the first place is barely, if at all, significant in terms of the overall population of player.

If a minority of a minority of the player base gets a some stuff they weren't able to get before, is that actually "significant"? To whom? And why?

[Qaliya]

Egeus made the point that this exploit represents an "easy button". Several people attempted to counter-argue this by pointing out that it is not because it doesn't allow items to be "manufactured out of thin air".

The problem with that argument is that it doesn't really address the "easy button" point. The shard/seal/scroll setup normally forces people to have to work a lot harder to get finished items than would be required if they were all tradeable. It also prevents people from getting epics from specific quests without ever writing them.

If Turbine wants to change the setup, just get rid of the shard/seal/scroll nonsense and just put finished epic items in chests. But it will definitely make epics a lot easier. And if they're going to keep the shards and seals as BtA items, they need to enforce that policy. The current situation is ridiculous.

[Qhualor]

saw another person on khyber in trade channel trying to trade a shard for another shard. cant remember what it was, but it was for a shard that is hard to get. someone made a comment about getting banned and someone replied by saying it probably would be a ban like from the other exploit where people got banned for 18 hours.

got me thinking, ive been coming across some people who have put together epic items that normally would be rare like sos and thornlord and were able to epic them out due to this exploit. if it wasnt for this exploit, they would be running those quests for the shards or whatever they need. now, they said they are relieved that they can stop farming so hard for the pieces. they still run these epic quests, but its not like putting up lfms that say "run 2 of 6".

i see both sides to this. on one side i see people getting what they need to finish their gear after months and months of farming. on the other side i see people getting what they need after a month of farming. i dont like this other side. im assuming at this point the reason why nothing has been done by turbine and why people are fearless of getting caught and not worried about getting banned for very long, is because its the holdiay season and there really isnt anybody behind a computer fixing this exploit. in the meantime, John Doe who signed up as F2P last week just completed his abishai set and is looking for a mari chain seal.

happy holidays

[Xenostrata]

saw another person on khyber in trade channel trying to trade a shard for another shard. cant remember what it was, but it was for a shard that is hard to get. someone made a comment about getting banned and someone replied by saying it probably would be a ban like from the other exploit where people got banned for 18 hours.

got me thinking, ive been coming across some people who have put together epic items that normally would be rare like sos and thornlord and were able to epic them out due to this exploit. if it wasnt for this exploit, they would be running those quests for the shards or whatever they need. now, they said they are relieved that they can stop farming so hard for the pieces. they still run these epic quests, but its not like putting up lfms that say "run 2 of 6".

i see both sides to this. on one side i see people getting what they need to finish their gear after months and months of farming. on the other side i see people getting what they need after a month of farming. i dont like this other side. im assuming at this point the reason why nothing has been done by turbine and why people are fearless of getting caught and not worried about getting banned for very long, is because its the holdiay season and there really isnt anybody behind a computer fixing this exploit. in the meantime, John Doe who signed up as F2P last week just completed his abishai set and is looking for a mari chain seal.

happy holidays

You're still simplifying the situation. If someone is completing an SoS because of the exploit, it's because he had a mari chain seal or a shard of the red dragon lying around - he might've been grinding those for months, or he might've picked them up on his first run. The only difference is that he got a lucky roll on something valuable, and is exchanging that valuable item for something else of (what the person he is trading with believes to be) equal value.

People were making things with only a month of farming before; like I said, my first epic item took me a total of 2 eVON6 runs (eCloak of the Silver Concord, got seal and shard same run, bought scroll for ~100k. +7 cha and +3 umd on my sorc). Now, I could see your case if epics were built more like Cove, where it would be impossible to reach the items early but that you were guaranteed the item after a certain amount of farming. This isn't the case. It really is just a lottery, where some people make their goal item after a week of farming or after a year.

If people were skipping an amount of time deemed a requirement to "earn" an epic item, then yes, this would be a bad exploit. But there is no minimum grinding amount for an epic.

[Qaliya]

You're still simplifying the situation. If someone is completing an SoS because of the exploit, it's because he had a mari chain seal or a shard of the red dragon lying around - he might've been grinding those for months, or he might've picked them up on his first run.

Or a guildie or friend or family member might have just decided to give him the items. This happens quite a bit with tradeables and I've seen and heard people discussing it in the last two weeks as well.

The only difference is that he got a lucky roll on something valuable, and is exchanging that valuable item for something else of (what the person he is trading with believes to be) equal value.

The value of a completed item is more than the sum of the value of its parts.

People were making things with only a month of farming before

And many weren't, and no longer have to farm at all.

If people were skipping an amount of time deemed a requirement to "earn" an epic item, then yes, this would be a bad exploit. But there is no minimum grinding amount for an epic.

The minimum now is zero. And more importantly, the average is much lower now.

[Qhualor]

You're still simplifying the situation. If someone is completing an SoS because of the exploit, it's because he had a mari chain seal or a shard of the red dragon lying around - he might've been grinding those for months, or he might've picked them up on his first run. The only difference is that he got a lucky roll on something valuable, and is exchanging that valuable item for something else of (what the person he is trading with believes to be) equal value.

People were making things with only a month of farming before; like I said, my first epic item took me a total of 2 eVON6 runs (eCloak of the Silver Concord, got seal and shard same run, bought scroll for ~100k. +7 cha and +3 umd on my sorc). Now, I could see your case if epics were built more like Cove, where it would be impossible to reach the items early but that you were guaranteed the item after a certain amount of farming. This isn't the case. It really is just a lottery, where some people make their goal item after a week of farming or after a year.

If people were skipping an amount of time deemed a requirement to "earn" an epic item, then yes, this would be a bad exploit. But there is no minimum grinding amount for an epic.

or it could be friends/guildies helping each other. my example was meant to be an exaggeration and hoped people got what i meant. ive come across some people who just give some of these seals and shards away.

yes, some people can make easy epic gear in a short amount of time, but the harder to get stuff normally takes longer. it took me a year and a half to make an esos. sometimes people luck out, but thats a very low percentage of people. i dont come across people every day that say they just epiced out their red dragon armor, even ones that have been trying to do that for a long time. theres more trading going on with people who have been farming for months or years because they are the ones that have a lot of seals and shards, especially duplicates and ones they will never use on a toon. theres also trading going on with people who are giving up frds, devil scales and rare scrolls for the tougher shards and seals. if epics were anything like cove, i wouldnt be doing epics. cove epics to me is just... meh. just a few are actually good.

part of my point is that some of these people that are getting their gear epic arent stepping foot into these epic quests or havent done them that much.

im all for trading shards and seals with people who have actually tried farming for them first. what number do you come up with? 20? 30? 100? i dont know, but if a toon is epically geared out and only has been playing for a short amount of time doesnt make him an experienced uber player.

when i run epics, i always run the ones that drop shards and seals that i need for a toon. for example, i dont run party crashers because theres nothing there that i want. i stopped running snitch because i got my eaga seals. i still run chrono because i have toons that need a shard here and a shard there. if i want tokens i run eda, raids or big top. ive noticed how epics have changed on the lfms lately. i see them up, but just not that many. is it because a lot of people are taking advantage of this exploit and dont need to run ITD or BOB when they already got the epic stuff they want?

[maddmatt70]

Who cares about any of your posted drivel. These players violated Turbine's rules and thus should face the consequences. If there are no consequences to violating the rules Turbine's rules are not worth the scraps they are put upon.

Turbine can not even fix a serious exploit with weeks of knowledge. I mean come on this game is a dying game.

[Qhualor]

Who cares about any of your posted drivel. These players violated Turbine's rules and thus should face the consequences. If there are no consequences to violating the rules Turbine's rules are not worth the scraps they are put upon.

Turbine can not even fix a serious exploit with weeks of knowledge. I mean come on this game is a dying game.

actually, theres nothing that says we cant trade seals and shards with people. although, i think it was cordovan, that did say in a post somewhere that this is a bannable offense (in so many words).

im not for this exploit more than i am for it. when i hear somebody who farmed months upon months for something they wanted epic and used the exploit, i actually am happy for them. when i see in trade channel or hear in a group somebody trying to do a trade that i dont know or know they havent been playing very long, it angers me and want them punished.

all in all, we know this is wrong and it needs to be stopped immediately. i am actually shocked that this exploit has gone on as long as it has.

[Yalina]

These players violated Turbine's rules and thus should face the consequences.
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I mean come on this game is a dying game.

If it is a dying game the last thing you want is punishing your players... (it's a lot of players in this case).

[tinyelvis]

The supply of finished items has altered pretty significantly.


Not true based on what I've been hearing. There's been a lot of giving away of stuff and wheeling-and-dealing.

And as others have pointed out, the issue affects more than epic items.

What your saying is, you have heard rumor that the barbarians are at the gate. Let's panic.

Fact is, you really have no idea. However, if you consider the facts. Namely, rare items are rare no matter the exploits and that people who need a rare item to potentially build a rare item will tend to hang onto it no matter the rules or bugs. For example, if you have a scroll of ring of spell storing. Currently it can be sold. However, how many do you see for sale at any one time. Of those, if any, how many for a reasonable price.

You folks have wild imaginations. That is cool. Just don't let them run away and panic you. Go play the game. It is essentially unchanged. If you can somehow find the will power to put aside this issue in your mind, you wont even notice a difference. Stop being jealous or worrying about fantasies of what others have that you don't. In reality, most everyone doesn't. You will drive yourself nuts, otherwise.

[freelove]

proves once again this is not a real MMO but one designed for kids to spend mom's money on.

Try to buy a docent of difiance right now - not one listed in AH for awhile, why? cuz they got bought as part of the exploit.

Large devil scales at 1million plat? You bet and will be for a longtime. Greater essences from 250ish plat each to 2500 plat each - you bet cuz people have 25 million plat from the exploit.

For a game that worked so hard to keep farming down and plat exploits in control by making bound items - they sure have no response to this ....

except to delete threads - now they see so many they have sort of given up. Oh well not holiday point purchase for me.

We all know with Star Wars coming out the servers will be chirp chirp again

[Xenostrata]

proves once again this is not a real MMO but one designed for kids to spend mom's money on.

Try to buy a docent of difiance right now - not one listed in AH for awhile, why? cuz they got bought as part of the exploit.

Large devil scales at 1million plat? You bet and will be for a longtime. Greater essences from 250ish plat each to 2500 plat each - you bet cuz people have 25 million plat from the exploit.

For a game that worked so hard to keep farming down and plat exploits in control by making bound items - they sure have no response to this ....

except to delete threads - now they see so many they have sort of given up. Oh well not holiday point purchase for me.

We all know with Star Wars coming out the servers will be chirp chirp again

Not sure what server you play on, but Khyber has scales going for 300-350k each and greater essences being sold anywhere between 250 and 350 plat apiece.

[freelove]

What your saying is, you have heard rumor that the barbarians are at the gate. Let's panic.

Fact is, you really have no idea. However, if you consider the facts. Namely, rare items are rare no matter the exploits and that people who need a rare item to potentially build a rare item will tend to hang onto it no matter the rules or bugs. For example, if you have a scroll of ring of spell storing. Currently it can be sold. However, how many do you see for sale at any one time. Of those, if any, how many for a reasonable price.

You folks have wild imaginations. That is cool. Just don't let them run away and panic you. Go play the game. It is essentially unchanged. If you can somehow find the will power to put aside this issue in your mind, you wont even notice a difference. Stop being jealous or worrying about fantasies of what others have that you don't. In reality, most everyone doesn't. You will drive yourself nuts, otherwise.

Do you run with a craptastic guild? Cuz all players in my guild now have 200 major pots min, 25 million plat, have 15 +3 tombs, and have completed three or four epic items with this exploit...

[freelove]

Not sure what server you play on, but Khyber has scales going for 300-350k each and greater essences being sold anywhere between 250 and 350 plat apiece.

enjoy while you can cuz on Arg they are far from that

[Xenostrata]

enjoy while you can cuz on Arg they are far from that

I think Khyber just had fewer exploiters, less of an impact.

[Blackbird]

Do you run with a craptastic guild? Cuz all players in my guild now have 200 major pots min, 25 million plat, have 15 +3 tombs, and have completed three or four epic items with this exploit...

I do not run with a"craptastic" guild and I don't have all that.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Crazy times. Looking forward to the day Turbine stands by its Code of Conduct on these exploits. Hope it reconsiders sharpening its once mighty sword.

[tinyelvis]

proves once again this is not a real MMO but one designed for kids to spend mom's money on.

Try to buy a docent of difiance right now - not one listed in AH for awhile, why? cuz they got bought as part of the exploit.

Large devil scales at 1million plat? You bet and will be for a longtime. Greater essences from 250ish plat each to 2500 plat each - you bet cuz people have 25 million plat from the exploit.

For a game that worked so hard to keep farming down and plat exploits in control by making bound items - they sure have no response to this ....

except to delete threads - now they see so many they have sort of given up. Oh well not holiday point purchase for me.

We all know with Star Wars coming out the servers will be chirp chirp again

Read what you wrote. This is hysterical nonsense. Are you typically a hysterical person? Why would you write such nonsense.

1. If you run a shroud and five or six devil quests over the course of three days, and didn't get at least one devil scale then you had very bad luck. You might get as many as half a dozen. Who spends a million plat on one?

2. If you run one high level quest. You can deconstruct items and get multiple greater essenses for free. Or, you can buy items on the AH and deconstruct them.

Use your head. Even if you see a greater essense or devil scale on the AH for that price, who would pay it. Arguments only reach this level of exaggeration and hysteria when they are completely basely. Resorting to lies, exaggerations, and hysterical; pronouncements like these pretty much indicates that you are sporting the lost cause.

Some of you folks sound like third world information ministers like Muhammad Saeed al - Sahhaf's. The comical Ali's of DDO.

[Qaliya]

What your saying is, you have heard rumor that the barbarians are at the gate. Let's panic.

No, that is not what I'm saying. Not even close.

Can't see any point in trying to have a discussion if you aren't going to reply to what I say, tbh.