Half-Orc Barbarian vs Fighter.

[Symerith]

Hey,

Thanks for those that will take the time to read and help me (and maybe others).

What I want : I really want to TR into a THF build that can dish out sheer amounts of DPS. (Not considering TWF builds or rogue).

What I have : My toon has an esos, and many other epic goodies... (What I don't have I can get if needed).
This would be my 6th life, got 3 fvs, 1 wizard & 1 paladin.

What I'm trying to figure out: I'm trying to decide it I should go 18 Barb / 2 Fighter, 20 Barbarian or 20 Fighter. (I'm willing to consider other builds but from what I see those are the kings of THF DPS vs high fort mobs).

So here's my question : For end game content (epics & raids), which one will have the highest DPS?

From what I know, the fighter will have the highest burst DPS, while the barb will have more HP, better crits by x2 (compared to fighter) and more DPS on the long term (sustained). Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Zerkul]

Hey,

Thanks for those that will take the time to read and help me (and maybe others).

What I want : I really want to TR into a THF build that can dish out sheer amounts of DPS. (Not considering TWF builds or rogue).

What I have : My toon has an esos, and many other epic goodies... (What I don't have I can get if needed).
This would be my 6th life, got 3 fvs, 1 wizard & 1 paladin.

What I'm trying to figure out: I'm trying to decide it I should go 18 Barb / 2 Fighter, 20 Barbarian or 20 Fighter. (I'm willing to consider other builds but from what I see those are the kings of THF DPS vs high fort mobs).

So here's my question : For end game content (epics & raids), which one will have the highest DPS?

From what I know, the fighter will have the highest burst DPS, while the barb will have more HP, better crits by x2 (compared to fighter) and more DPS on the long term (sustained). Correct me if I'm wrong.

The answer is simple if you consider just the DPS variable:

• You can go HOrc-Barbarian Frenzied Berserk 20 with ESoS for a form of very high sustainable DPS with initial burst (the action damage boosts) if you use Autocleave.
• You can go HElf(roguedilettante)-Fighter Kensai 20 TWF with Lit2 Khopeshes, or other better weapons depending on the mob you fighting, to achieve the highest form of frontal burst DPS (and very high sneak attack dps) with lower sustainable DPS than the barbarian if you end you action boosts (10 action boosts traduces in 5 minutes of high burst DPS).

Example: Considering 10 Action Boosts and frontal DPS (no sneak) for the first 5 minutes HElf Fighter > Barbarian in Autocleave most of the times. After the first 5 minutes Barbarian 20 Autocleave > HElf Fighter 20.

The only good thing about Barbarian 18 & Fighter 2 is that you have extra feats to spend for stun or other stuff you might need but DPS-wise means you're sacrificing +2 strength and 10% over your glancing blows damage (you can close an eye for the strength bonus but not for the glancing blows damage). Even if HElf or Human with combined action boosts the result is slightlty lower in DPS than a simple 20 HOrc barbarian.




I tested all the statements above myself using the superfamous Absolute-Omniscience DPS calculator Sheet (using the "right" modifications to test autocleave style). All the statements above will be obviously subject to change with the new enhancements system.

[DrakHar]

Hey,

Thanks for those that will take the time to read and help me (and maybe others).

What I want : I really want to TR into a THF build that can dish out sheer amounts of DPS. (Not considering TWF builds or rogue).

What I have : My toon has an esos, and many other epic goodies... (What I don't have I can get if needed).
This would be my 6th life, got 3 fvs, 1 wizard & 1 paladin.

What I'm trying to figure out: I'm trying to decide it I should go 18 Barb / 2 Fighter, 20 Barbarian or 20 Fighter. (I'm willing to consider other builds but from what I see those are the kings of THF DPS vs high fort mobs).

So here's my question : For end game content (epics & raids), which one will have the highest DPS?

From what I know, the fighter will have the highest burst DPS, while the barb will have more HP, better crits by x2 (compared to fighter) and more DPS on the long term (sustained). Correct me if I'm wrong.

The fighter 20, can get very good burst, versus the barbarians more sustained damage.

If you are going half-orc, I would go 18/2 instead of pure. You do lose *some* DPS, but if you want a good build who is useful in a party, people don't "thank" you for having 2 extra strength - and for good reason. They will thank you for two great tactics: Stun, and either trip or improved sunder. My 18/2 has both, and they are the only reason I don't completely hate the class right now...

[Such755]

What about hElf 20 fighter, rogue dile, you can combine haste boost and damage boost for burst DPS?

I am not experienced with it, but in my mind it sounds like a lot of DPS.


From my own experience; barbarian is a ton of maintainable DPS (you can stay fully raged through an entire quest), but no experience as a level 20 fighter.
Also supreme cleave is very nice against trash mobs, especialy if your lightning strike procs more than once (Not relevant to eSoS of course)
It seems as if fighter is much better against a single target, thanks to their haste boost.

[Teharahma]

What about hElf 20 fighter, rogue dile, you can combine haste boost and damage boost for burst DPS?

I am not experienced with it, but in my mind it sounds like a lot of DPS.


From my own experience; barbarian is a ton of maintainable DPS (you can stay fully raged through an entire quest), but no experience as a level 20 fighter.
Also supreme cleave is very nice against trash mobs, especialy if your lightning strike procs more than once (Not relevant to eSoS of course)
It seems as if fighter is much better against a single target, thanks to their haste boost.

Yes you can use Haste Boost from Fighter with Damage Boost from Half-elf/Human.

[Varashad]

I have not played a fully geared level 20 fighter or barbarian, but I can tell you that my level 20 fighter is unstoppable so long as the heals keep coming. That's key. Fighters and barbarians drop dead if the heals stop coming. Silver Flame pots can offer some mitigation, but they're not reliable in my opinion.

Ultimately, it depends on what raids/epics you're doing. If you're doing guild runs of eLoB and eMA, then you'll want a barbarian for that long term, sustained damage. If you're doing shorter raids like normal ToD, Shroud and VoD and exclusively in pugs, then fighter will be better.

As for gear, this is what I personally wear, and it works great. There are probably better options now of course, but this stuff is all to obtainable without ten years of grind.

Helmet: Epic Red Dragon(Slotted GFL if you use Marilith Chain)/Minos Legens
Necklace: Shintao Cord
Gloves: eClaw
Bracers: eClaw
Cloak: Epic Envenomed, slotted Toughness if you're using Epic Red Dragon, slotted Good Luck otherwise.
Armor: Epic Cavalry Plate/Epic Deneith Chain/Epic Marilith
Boots: Madstone/Boots of Propulsion
Belt: Colenthenis/Knosts
Rings: Ravager/Kyosho's/Encrusted Ring, +2 exceptional strength and +20% healing amp
Trinket: Litany of the Dead
Goggles: Tharnes/+45 HP green steel