Stalwart ninja (completionist build idea again sorry guys)

[jeremyt]

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Warforged Male
(6 Fighter \ 12 Monk \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 450
Spell Points: 40 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 18
Will: 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    27
Dexterity            15                    21
Constitution         17                    25
Intelligence         10                    14
Wisdom               14                    19
Charisma              6                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 13
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    21
Bluff                -2                     2
Concentration         3                    17
Diplomacy            -2                     2
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                     8
Heal                  2                     6
Hide                  2                    14
Intimidate            2                    31
Jump                  6                    17
Listen                2                     6
Move Silently         6                    25
Open Lock             6                    11
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                0                     5
Search                0                     5
Spot                  2                     6
Swim                  2                    10
Tumble                6                    13
Use Magic Device      2                    26

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Completionist
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 5 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Berserker's Fury


Level 7 (Monk)


Level 8 (Rogue)


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Sunder


Level 11 (Monk)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Disciple of the Fist


Level 13 (Monk)


Level 14 (Monk)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 16 (Monk)


Level 17 (Monk)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 19 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 20 (Monk)
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender I
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey II
Enhancement: Fists of Iron
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy II
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Master of Stone
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I
Enhancement: Warforged Tactics I
Enhancement: Warforged Tactics II

Head____Seeker 6, intim 15 pirate hat
Neck____Shintao
Trink____E.facet gem slotted w/ +6 dex
Cloak____GS HP min 2
Belt_____Spare hand w/ toughness + 1 exc dex
Ring#1__Shintao w/holy B
Ring#2__Earth savant tod ring +6 cha w/ +1 con w/ Acid Burst
Glove___Epic claw
Boots___Propulsion/GS trip pos air haste clickie/Cha skills
Bracer__Epic jidz slotted w/ GFL and +6 str
Armor___DT w/ 10/20% heal amp & dodge +3. Finished incite DT for hate gen
Goggles_Epic raven sight

HP: 450 base + 20 toughness + 45 GS + 60 con item + 20 exc con item +10 argo favor + 40 earth stance con + 20 stalwart stance con + 30 GFL +20 ship con = 715 x 10%stance bump = 786

Negative 20% run speed sadly

Threat gen: 55% earth stance + 30% e.claw + 25% stalwart stance + 10% warforge racial enh (can swap to incite DT armor if some eeediot tries to pull agro)

Damage: 2d10 + 13 str + 6 wrap +2 shintao + 4 claw + 2 weap spec + 2 ship buff + 6 PA = 2d10 +35
Crits 19-20x3 + 6 seeker
Added effects: holy burst, lighting burst, acid burst, lightning strike, double strike 3%, 3d6+3 SA damage, Ki strikes inc tod and fire/dark/fire, someday 3rd tier alch effects.

To-hit: 20 BAB + 4 raven + 2 shintao + 3 fight PLs + 1 WF + 6 wrap - 6 PA + 13 str + 2 ship + 4 GH = 61 + 3 flanking.

Damage reduction: earth stance 15% damage reduction + 5/dr from gear, 25% incorp

Wis: 19 base + 6 ring + 1 jidz + 2 ravens sight +2 ship = 30
Str: 27 + 6 item + 1 exc + 2 ship = 36
Con: 24 + 6 item + 1 exc + 2 ship = 33 + 3 earth + 2 stal = 38
Cha: 10 + 6 item + 2 ship = 18
Dex: 21 + 6 item + 1 exc + 2 ship +2 alch wraps = 32 -2 earth stance = 30

Intim: 23 ranks, +4 charisma mod +6 for GS cha skills +2 fighter enh +2 ship buffs +2 completionist +2 stalwart def +2 barb PL +2 coin lord fav +15 pirate hat +5 epic claw +4 GH = 69 standing slightly buffed (GH/ship only) with no gear switches.

Heal amp: 0.7*((gear 1.1dt*1.2dt*1.3e.claw)*1.3monk enh*1.1ship*1.156 paladin pl's)=198.57% heal amp (not shabby for a warforge in earth stance eh?)

AC: 10 base + 10 dex mod + 5 deflection + 3 natural (bark pot) + 3 stalwart +3 earth + 10 wis mod + 2 monk AC +1 dodge feat + 3 dodge AC + 1 alch armor + 8 armor + 4 shield wand + 4 ship buffs +4 insight wraps = 71

Stunning fist DC: 20 base + 10 wis mod + 2 WF tactics + 3 fighter PLs + 10 wraps + 5 belt = 50 (hootin nanny)

So, this idea got drummed up thinking i could have a solid solo toon (max UMD with scroll mastery, excellent tactical DCs, broad immunities, solid stealth skills) as well as a very desirable raid main tanker for all content currently in game (evasion, DR, big threat gen, max ranks intim, 25% incorp, heal amp). Cycling tods cant hurt in boosting hate either right? If for some reason the toon isn't tanking it actually has solid SA numbers as well.

[Anthios888]

Friends don't let friends take hamstring. It seems like you forgot to take past life monk, paladin, and potentially rogue. They would all be better choices. Or more toughness.

What's the 2nd rogue level get you? More skill points?

We have a bunch of 12 monk / 7 fighter / 1 rog, 12 monk / 8 fighter, and 12 monk / 6 paladin / 2 fighter ninja stalwarts in our guild. They're really uber tanks. Mostly all of them went half elf, human, or another fleshie class because there is so much healing amplification available that every little bit you add multiplies by a lot. For example, let's assume a bunch of healing amplification bonuses:

257% healing amplification on warforged
.7 (warforged with 2 enhancements) * 1.20 (human or half elf) * 1.10 (airship) * 1.30 (gloves of the claw epic) * 1.25 (jidz if you're into fire) * 1.10 (dragontouched) *1.20 (dragontouched) * 1.30 (monk healing amplification)

368% healing amplification on half elf
1.00 (base fleshie) * 1.20 (human or half elf enhancements) * 1.10 (airship) * 1.30 (gloves of the claw epic) * 1.25 (jidz if you're into fire) * 1.10 (dragontouched) *1.20 (dragontouched) * 1.30 (monk healing amplification)

Please don't get me wrong -- I love warforged tanks. I just feel that on something like this, when one of the biggest arguments for this toon over a stalwart or defender is that you are more healable, that breaks down slightly because the fleshie doesnt just have 30% more amp, it has 110% more amp. The other reason I brought this up is that it looked like a lot of your lives were already fleshie so I wasn't sure how committed you are to the race.

[jeremyt]

Hey athios thanks for eyeballing the build. Sorry its not as detailed yet as my other layouts.

Down to business: Warforge VS human or helf. I do prefer warforge aesthetics for bum kicking a bit more so that does hold some weight. But as in past if the nuts and bolts weigh so heavily against WF (or horc, also a prefered race) then I would chose nonWF.

My take on heal amp: My horc tank in my sig (built when chrono/tod was the big to-do for tank duty) is lacking some critical heal amp gear (glove shard anyone?) so he sits at about 265% currently. When tanking, healers comment on the ease of healing him. The toon that this build would be for has in one life crested 400% amp. And while it was EXTREMELY cool for solo work with heal curses feeding him 4s and 8s, for main tank duty it became apparent that it was overkill. Scrolls overhealed him 90% of the time while tanking tod I felt the mid 200s for amp (3x paly PLs so add another 1.16 or so on top) is still what i would consider a high amp tank. I have never had a toon w/ north of 900hp though so my thoughts on that might change.

Helf brings the dual intim timer which is highly attractive along with the human amp and racial str bonus. Heck, with helf i could go cleric dil and drop the rogue levels all together for 2 pal levels and much better saves, ability to dump int for some cha to boost intim even more. But weighing against helf is they are probably my least favorite toons appearance wise. so moves it down couple notches.

Human I dont mind so much as helf and the extra feat + skill points I would consider more useful for a build like this.

Dwarf on other hand I like a bit better than human numbers and apperance wise, and they have the same synergies I found with WF for tactics and extra HP + 1.00 base heal amp.

WF gets PA enhancements, threat enhancements, tactical enhancements (for running epics/trash beat down duty) and i felt w/ more than 200% amp would still qualify as a very easy to heal tank. But again, my tune might change once i play a character with this much HP

[jeremyt]

On feats:

Heard through grape vine that hamstring got reworked last update and now lands on raid bosses again drasticly reducing their attack speed. I have not witnessed this first hand so it might be completely false. If its false, then the feat is junk and the pal/rog PLs would be much more effective.

Not a big fan of the monk PL, as it amounts to approx +1 average damage. Might be wrong with that on a build this deeply splashed will have to check the damage dice monk chart to see where it would fall w/ jidz equiped. Might be that it does in fact give this build a very good dice step and I was unaware/and i need to include it

On 2nd rogue lev:
All about the skills. Without sacrificing more build points to int the second rogue lev allowed me to get UMD and intim to 23 while still having reasonable MS, balance and concentration

[Anthios888]

Monk past life gives you 2d12 instead of 2d10. That means an average of 2.4 damage per hit over (calced running earth III). Considering that we take power attack for +5 damage at a loss of 5 to-hit, it's a pretty nice feat imo if you are looking to increase your DPS.

It fully stacks with the gear-based die step increase like jidxz, alchemical byeshk handwraps, or garments of equilibrium. These items stack with the feat but not with each other.

[jeremyt]

aighty checked the dice steps. 12th monk is 2d6 (avg 7). gear bump to 2d8 (avg 9) . so the PL would bump to 2d10 (avg 10). these numbers discount crit bumps, being earth stance that would be 3 damage more per crit, crit on 19 and 20. 2-18 = +1 dam, 19-20 = +3 dam

so total avg damage bump would be 1.21. Correct me if im wrong?

[ElbionTcob]

Search "Kelida" and choose V 2.0

Great build and its not theoretical or anything. Played with the guy, amazing tank and dps.

[Malky]

aighty checked the dice steps. 12th monk is 2d6 (avg 7). gear bump to 2d8 (avg 9) . so the PL would bump to 2d10 (avg 10). these numbers discount crit bumps, being earth stance that would be 3 damage more per crit, crit on 19 and 20. 2-18 = +1 dam, 19-20 = +3 dam

so total avg damage bump would be 1.21. Correct me if im wrong?

2d10 averages to 11, not 10

[Cardtrick]

aighty checked the dice steps. 12th monk is 2d6 (avg 7). gear bump to 2d8 (avg 9) . so the PL would bump to 2d10 (avg 10). these numbers discount crit bumps, being earth stance that would be 3 damage more per crit, crit on 19 and 20. 2-18 = +1 dam, 19-20 = +3 dam

so total avg damage bump would be 1.21. Correct me if im wrong?

On a normal hit (roll 2 - 18), 2d10 (average 11) is +2 damage over 2d8 (average 9). In earth stance, a crit is x3, so on a 19 or 20, so it's a +6 difference. On a roll of 1, there's no difference at all (0 damage in both cases). So, the average difference is:

(0 * 1 + 2 * 17 + 6 * 2)/20 = 2.3 average damage increase per attack

Often, people neglect the misses, so for ease of comparison, it would be (2*17 + 6*2)/19 = 2.42 average damage increase per hit

Up to you whether it's worth it or not, but I think most people would say yes.

[jeremyt]

reworked feats for a more sure bet: IE dropped hamstring due to not having anyone verify it works on bosses yet. Also dropped toughness x2 for +1 tohit and +2 dam. Opt also open to drop another toughness for stunning blow if i feel i need more CC timers.