how much sp should a wizard be going thru in VOD

[Simplesimon1979]

So I've ran this a couple of times and I always seem to use a ton of pots. Usually about 8 or 10. I don't think I'm going crazy with spells ether. Just keeping dots on sully, one wail and one web on the devils, the orthons I'm just bolt and blasting, web for the bats at the end, and the ocational rage and haste. My last one was on hard and took 30 minutes. If I didn't want to use any pots I would have to limit myself to about 70sp per minute which is quite low.

Should I just kinda pike and let the melees do there thing till he is down to 25% and then go to town on him or just expect to use a lot of sp in that one raid.

[Spoprockel]

It's up to you how many pots you want to spend, i wouldn't want to spend any at all on normal or hard.

I wouldn't dot him, since his agro resets with every teleport, and with a dot on him he would most likely go chasing after you.
After the second orthon wave it's usually save to dump everything you have left on him.


I'd also leave the orthons to the melees, i'd think nuking isn't very SP/damage effective.


Are your wails landing reliably down there?

I've seen casters wail whole waves of devils, but i guess you need quite some gear to hit them all.

If not, put down some webs / disco balls and leave them to the melees.


As long as there's webs/disco balls, haste and a cloudkill for the bats and on sully people usually won't complain if you pike the rest

[Kriogen]

Kill bats and you don't pike.

In a large group, like raid (VoD in this case), do things that others can't or are weak at. You can:
- *not* drain healers mana
- keep arcane specific buffs up and running
- quickly handle bats
- do some CC
- if mana left, add some damage on big boss.

[Tid12]

So I've ran this a couple of times and I always seem to use a ton of pots. Usually about 8 or 10. I don't think I'm going crazy with spells ether. Just keeping dots on sully, one wail and one web on the devils, the orthons I'm just bolt and blasting, web for the bats at the end, and the ocational rage and haste. My last one was on hard and took 30 minutes. If I didn't want to use any pots I would have to limit myself to about 70sp per minute which is quite low.

Should I just kinda pike and let the melees do there thing till he is down to 25% and then go to town on him or just expect to use a lot of sp in that one raid.

8 or 10 pots?

It's too much anyway. How many sp have you got?

[Simplesimon1979]

2100 sp.

Yeah next time I'll just bolt and blast him till he gets down to 25% then start doting him.

Yeah I got agro a couple of times. Just blocked till the tank got it back. I have 477 HP in form so I can sit there for a bit.

Yeah wail works pritty good. Got a 41 dc with 29 spell pen still need a TOD ring and +7 item. Usually left one or two devils to web up.

It's been the only raid where I've used lots of pots.

Thanks everyone.

[SirValentine]

I don't think I'm going crazy with spells ether. Just keeping dots on sully, one wail and one web on the devils, the orthons I'm just bolt and blasting, web for the bats at the end, and the ocational rage and haste. My last one was on hard and took 30 minutes. If I didn't want to use any pots I would have to limit myself to about 70sp per minute which is quite low.

Should I just kinda pike and let the melees do there thing till he is down to 25% and then go to town on him or just expect to use a lot of sp in that one raid.

If you keep the exploding bats off the party, keep Haste/Rage up, and maybe Displacement on the main tank, you've met expectations, as far as I'm concerned. CC/instakill on the devils is a nice bonus. That shouldn't take any pots, should it? If all your pot use is due to you DPSing the boss, then it's up to you how much to do it; it's not really needed.

[good_ole_corwin]

with 40+ DC just CC and occasionally instakill => trash wont be a problem for melees, if you get a good tank that can keep the aggro, noone else will even be getting any significant damage, everything will go smooth and you wont have to drink any pots. Its about resource (=SP) management, use your resources for what the group will get the most benefit from. Will your SPs spent on blasting Suulu make any difference (assuming there is a capable tank and 7+ melees)? Hardly, the raid will go a few seconds quicker, but doesnt have any real impact on the "smoothness" of the run. Will your SPs spent on making it so that the devils/orthons/bats dont endanger the group and nobody but tank needs healing make any difference? Loads of it. CCing (or instakilling) the trash is your primary job as a wizard in most raids, because most of the time, that is the most valuable and SP efficient thing you can do. If you do your job, youre not piking.

[goodspeed]

The greatest thing you can do in that raid is whip some webs and cast a good disco ball. Cause if you don't either the others start to drop when the red orthons come, or the healer ends up dropping all their sp with the end still far away from killing sulu.

Usually all the trash is for the other 7 people just standing around waiting for the main tank to actually get some kind of real aggro without an arrow sending sulu on a rampage.

If theirs a sorc it just depends on his job. Usually with mine I tend to concentrate just on the tank umding either heals or casting a ton of robot repairs to save the healers mana, and i'll throw a maxed ice storm in the cc globe to help out the melee that should be doing the thing they actually should shine at.

But as a wiz only 1 thing is expected of you to make everything go smooth. And that's hella cc. Save ur pots and put those other 7 pikers to work. Hopefully their gear shows their to hit.

[Cauthey]

2100 sp.

Yeah next time I'll just bolt and blast him till he gets down to 25% then start doting him.

Yeah I got agro a couple of times. Just blocked till the tank got it back. I have 477 HP in form so I can sit there for a bit.

Yeah wail works pritty good. Got a 41 dc with 29 spell pen still need a TOD ring and +7 item. Usually left one or two devils to web up.

It's been the only raid where I've used lots of pots.

Thanks everyone.

Pull out the Lit2 and melee him some. Or, try sticking to cheaper/free SLAs.

I can't afford to burn through 8-10 mnemonics per raid. Ouch!