Cleric RS AA

[jebyfire]

i want feedback guys one this one !!!

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Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Female
(1 Fighter / 1 Ranger / 18 Cleric)
Hit Points: 202
Spell Points: 1646

BAB: 15/15/20/2525
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 10
Will: 19

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Strength 14 14 14
Dexterity 14 14 14
Constitution 12 12 12
Intelligence 8 8 8
Wisdom 18 23 26
Charisma 8 8 8

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy

Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency

Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead

Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS

Level 5 (Cleric)

Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Zen Archery

Level 7 (Cleric)

Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS

Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness

Level 10 (Cleric)

Level 11 (Cleric)

Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness

Level 13 (Cleric)

Level 14 (Cleric)

Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell

Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS

Level 17 (Cleric)

Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons

Level 19 (Cleric)

Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Forcce Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage II
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Light I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Light II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I

[Thrudh]

Without manyshot or 10,000 stars or Improved Precise Shot, archery is very weak.

You really just can't make a bow user who doesn't have manyshiot. It's pontless without at least manyshot.

You might be better off with some kind of artificer splash and using repeating crossbows.

[Mubjon]

Or take 2 ranger and swap the fighter with mage to qualify for Arcane Archer enhancements on an elf or Helf.

[unbongwah]

Have a look at my Radiant Archer thread. Some quick tips: consider an extra rgr or ftr lvl to get 1 more feat; consider dropping ftr for wiz (which gains a free meta & let's you drop MT for AA pre-req, essentially a 1 feat gain); drop IMT for either another meta (Quicken is a must-have, IMHO, and Maximize is a very good idea) or ranged feat; and strongly consider squeezing in Rapid Shot & Manyshot if you want to do "real" burst DPS with your bow.

[Thrudh]

Oh I didn't notice he doesn't have Quicken... Quicken is an upper level must have on a healing cleric. You don't have to have it on all the time, but in some raids/quests it's absolutely required.

[Morlen]

Why a level of fighter instead of a level of monk? You still get a feat, plus the bonus to AC. Honestly, I would squeeze in 2 levels of monk because you get 2 feats and evasion.

Of course I know the feats are limited, and I don't play monks so I'm not overly familiar with the feat options... Pretty sure Zen Archery is one of them.

[jebyfire]

because i dont have the monk so i cant take it.

I dont need manyshot because i want to be more healer but with the AA damage i can at least do something to the mob. So dont really need manyshot

[unbongwah]

I'll be a bit blunter than my first post - your original build is not very good. You went for max WIS, but you took no metamagics or Smiting enhs to boost your spell DPS; you spent over half your chosen feats on ranged combat but don't take the one which will give you 2x-4x ranged DPS 20 secs. out of every 120; IMT is a waste of a feat slot on a build which is very short on them; and without Max, Emp, and Quicken, you're not even the best healer you could be.

Given that you don't have monk - and I'm guessing no half-elves either - I recommend elf rgr 2 / wiz 1 / cleric 17. Base stats: something like 14 / 16 / 14 / 8 / 16 / 8 with level-ups into WIS; could start 12 / 16 / 12 / 8 / 18 / 8 if you really want max WIS, though IMHO the +1 DCs isn't worth giving up +1 dmg (Bow STR) & +20 HPs. Feats: PBS, WF Ranged, Manyshot (need at least +1 DEX tome), Toughness, Emp Heal, Quicken, and Maximize, with one left over for, say, Zen Archery, Imp Crit Ranged, or Empower (Bow STR & Rapid Shot are free from rgr). Compared to your original build, it will have more HPs (Toughness + extra CON), better healing and better offensive spells (Quicken + Maximize + Smiting enhs), and better burst ranged DPS (Manyshot) while giving up very little (-2 WIS).

In short, I recommend something like this:

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Radiant Archer
Level 20 True Neutral Elf Female
(2 Ranger \ 17 Cleric \ 1 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 258
Spell Points: 1269 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 11
Will: 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    14
Dexterity            16                    17
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom               16                    24
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Cleric)


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 9 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Elven Arcanum I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting IV
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery III

[jebyfire]

AND YES I GOT THE HALF ELF if you have a build with this !



And this one it is better ?

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Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Female
(2 Fighter / 1 Ranger / 17 Cleric)
Hit Points: 184
Spell Points: 1407

BAB: 15/15/20/2525
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 11
Will: 17

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Strength 14 14 15
Dexterity 16 17 18
Constitution 10 10 10
Intelligence 8 8 8
Wisdom 18 22 24
Charisma 8 8 8

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy

Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency

Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Zen Archery

Level 4 (Cleric)
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I

Level 5 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I

Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Improved Spot I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing I

Level 7 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage II

Level 8 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I

Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected)) Manyshot
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II

Level 10 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I

Level 11 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows

Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Improved Heal II

Level 13 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I

Level 14 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III

Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III

Level 16 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV

Level 17 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows

Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV

Level 19 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II

Level 20 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Improved Concentration II
Enhancement: Improved Concentration III
Enhancement: Improved Concentration IV

[unbongwah]

AND YES I GOT THE HALF ELF if you have a build with this !

Again, see my Radiant Archer thread, which is based on HEs. EDIT: I'd probably recommend the ftr 2 / wiz 1 version for someone w/out monk.

[nat_1]

Listen to Un. Seriously.

You want Manyshot, glad to see you included it.

I have his monk 2/ wiz 1 version up to level 14 at the moment. In fact, I have been meaning to post in that thread, I think I'll go do that.

On your most recent update of the build, drop Mental Toughness for Toughness and don't look back. 184 hp at 20 is too low. Drop your starting wis by 2 and put it into con, and maybe some love for cha for turns (burst uses).

[unbongwah]

On your most recent update of the build, drop Mental Toughness for Toughness and don't look back.

Unfortunately, without an arcane splash (his 2nd build is still rgr 1 / ftr 2), MT is an AA pre-req, which is why I go for a wiz splash on most of my cleric AA builds.

[nat_1]

Unfortunately, without an arcane splash (his 2nd build is still rgr 1 / ftr 2), MT is an AA pre-req, which is why I go for a wiz splash on most of my cleric AA builds.

Um, yeah, I'm dumb.