Tactics/Support build for Warforged Pure Warchanter

[Darkrok]

Looking at dumping my THF line to go more support and tactics oriented. I've got the stuff to make a Blademark's Docent so once I get all the stuff to slot it I could get meaningful trip and for times it matters could use a shatter weapon to get meaningful improved sunder. Dropping the line would also free me up from being stuck on my Min2 all the time as I could pick up iCrit: Slashing. Finally, I plan on running some more Hounds so I'd like to pick up Augment Summoning with that last feat to help out some there. My other feat choice would have been maximize and with very few free AP to enhance heals that seems like a bit of a waste.

The 3 free AP's could be used on things like 1 more spell pen (2ap), 1 (1ap) or 2 (3ap) more damage from PA (though if I'm twitching I may not want that anymore), weapon proficiency (1ap), or extra songs/sp's (1ap/3ap). I could even conceivably drop something (10hp or lingering IV) and pick up that last tier of tactics.

Eventually I'll probably drop the Augment Summoning for Stunning Blow and pull out that maul from the cove when appropriate but that'll be down the road.

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Rokkum Ultima
Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male
(20 Bard) 
Hit Points: 342
Spell Points: 632 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 12
Will: 11

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             18                 25                   25
Dexterity             8                 10                   10
Constitution         18                 20                   22
Intelligence         12                 14                   14
Wisdom                6                  8                    8
Charisma             12                 14                   16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               3                 23                   23
Bluff                 5                 26                   26
Concentration         8                 29                   29
Diplomacy             1                  3                    3
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle                5                 26                   26
Heal                 -2                 -1                   -1
Hide                 -1                  0                    0
Intimidate            1                  3                    7
Jump                  7                 19                   19
Listen               -2                 -1                   -1
Move Silently        -1                  0                    0
Open Lock            n/a                n/a                   n/a
Perform               5                 26                   26
Repair                1                  2                    2
Search                1                  2                    2
Spot                 -2                 -1                   -1
Swim                  4                 30                   30
Tumble                0                  1                    1
Use Magic Device      5                 26                   26

Level 1 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Perform (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Composite Plating
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Charm
Feat: (Automatic) Fascinate
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Light Fortification
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Warforged Immunities


Level 2 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 3 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Competence


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Suggestion


Level 7 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Swim (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Inspire Courage


Level 9 (Bard)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Swim (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Greatness


Level 10 (Bard)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Swim (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Bard)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Swim (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Swim (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Song of Freedom


Level 13 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Swim (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Heroics


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Augment Summoning
Feat: (Automatic) Mass Suggestion


Level 19 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery III
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter II
Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery III
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery IV
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor I
Enhancement: Warforged Tactics I
Enhancement: Warforged Tactics II

[karl_k0ch]

http://ddowiki.com/page/Alchemical_Crafting
I'd like to point your attention to the fact that Tier 1 Air weapons (great swords and falchions in particular) will get the stunning +10 property, which is another reason not to stick to your Min2.

12 Int and the resulting points in Swim are a matter of personal taste, I guess.

No offense, but why WF over Dwarf?

[goodspeed]

That's what I was wondering. You could get immunity to some things (robots lost 1 that I know of) but for bard Warchanter id go for either a horc for the extra dmg, or a dwarf for the extra meat while still getting bonus's for slashing and axes as well as resistance.

I guess technically you could save a song use by ignoring ironskin since you already got the dr going, (kinda cold for the rest of those poor melee considering it's almost improbable that the mage would whip a stoneskin on 5 other people)

You could also use reconstruct but that seems more of a hindrance then help considering you can hands down no fail umding heal scrolls, A heal amp clicky and cheap moderate or serious heal spell, and your songs combined with extended haste and displace? It's like a barbarians wet dream leveling up. Going Wf ud jip yourself while healing. Good way to free up spells I guess but again kinda cold to that poor melee when the healers off somewhere and he's being cut down behind you. (Though technically it could be his fault for assuming he was as amazing as you are diving into those 8 incoming berzerkers)


Anyway race aside it's a nice stat spread. Got good maxed str, good con, a good starting cha and even some int.

Skill wise all good, Feat wise I see you took the augment which ive heard makes a nice difference in hound, though why improved sunder? Seems like you could slot another toughness or something. I mean I know why monks take it, assasins, even melee when they can fit it. Is it for trip saves in epic?

[Darkrok]

Warforged is simply because that's what the toon is now. I'm just looking to LR it. I'd definitely not choose WF'd at this point but that's what I've got now.

The stat points went somewhere other than swim I'm sure but I was in a hurry to set up my template and just threw skill points in.

I didn't know that about the cannith weapons...simply hadn't started looking at them yet...but that makes my eventual swap to stunning blow from augment summoning look even better.